RE: [EXT] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Openroaming - anyone connected?

2020-08-17 Thread Turner, Ryan H 
Seconded…  So many other things could be said, but many of them are not very 
nice.

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 On Behalf Of Johnston, Ryan
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 1:18 PM
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Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXT] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Openroaming - anyone 
connected?

Jeff,

For some of us the Starbucks equivalency statement doesn’t fit.  I’m 
specifically in a situation where I do not want to give anyone and everyone 
easy access to our network.  Half of our campus is situated in downtown Chicago 
amongst all the high-rises and tourist locations.  I do not want our network 
used by the multitude of Chicago tourists or business neighbors that can hear 
my network.  Our fear is that having that many unsolicited users would degrade 
the network quality significantly.  I hope the future of network access still 
leaves room for those that need that control over a guest network.  I would 
have a completely different outlook if I was located in a remote college town.


Ryan

--
Ryan Johnston he/him/his
Associate Director of Infrastructure
DePaul University
55 E Jackson Blvd | Chicago, Illinois 60604
https://www.depaul.edu |  https://helpdesk.depaul.edu

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Jeffrey D. Sessler
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 11:46 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [EXT] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Openroaming - anyone connected?

I’m not trying to get out of a business, but Internet2 could eventually get out 
of the radius/eduroam business. Unless I’m mistaken, at the point an 
institution federates directly with openroaming, the need for eduroam 
diminishes. Obviously it’s going to take time, but if there is a push to adopt 
openroaming in EDU, then in say five years, does eduroam have a future?

On the identity front… As we march toward a cloud-based future, and our WiFi 
networks transformed into simple gateways to the internet, how much information 
do we need/want? How much information should we collect? After all, if the 
service is no different than at Starbucks, what does the collection of more 
information do for us?

Jeff

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On Behalf Of Tim Cappalli
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 9:09 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Openroaming - anyone connected?

What business are you trying to get out of specifically? OpenRoaming is a way 
for federations of organizations and/or individual organizations to 
interconnect. Eduroam would start to mean “less” to end users, as they wouldn’t 
see an “eduroam” ESSID anymore, but there is still value in a trust framework 
for educational organizations, especially when it comes to identity.

If you decide not to provision users with your university identity, you will 
likely have no access to that users real identity. I imagine you still want 
access to identity for your own users and devices?

At its core, OR is simply a few extra elements in the profile that gets put on 
the device provisioning. OR itself, also does not provide client provisioning. 
You still need to do that, or pay for a service that will do it.

I think, personally, that there is a major lack of understanding throughout the 
industry of what OR actually is.

tim

From: Jeffrey D. Sessler
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 11:56
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Openroaming - anyone connected?

Why not the other way around, and standardize on OpenRoaming, and have 
everything else become a member of it? Do we still need eduroam at that point? 
Do we care if the client device is using their ATT, Spectrum, or college 
credentials?

I’m reminded that in EDU we often fix problems nobody cared much about at the 
time e.g. eduroam, but as the world matures, and there are perhaps better 
alternatives, why not get out of the business?  There are costs to operate 
eduroam, and if it’s no longer strategic or different from other services e.g. 
OpenRoaming, why not put those resources into something that is strategic and a 
differentiator?  Why wouldn’t Internet2 and its members focus on adoption of 
OpenRoaming rather than a new and possibly duplicative service like anyroam?

Jeff



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Philippe Hanset
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 7:20 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Openroaming - anyone connected?

At least for the US, we plan to have an Open-Roaming gateway at ANYROAM.
We became member of the

RE: [EXT] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Openroaming - anyone connected?

2020-08-17 Thread Johnston, Ryan 
Jeff,

For some of us the Starbucks equivalency statement doesn’t fit.  I’m 
specifically in a situation where I do not want to give anyone and everyone 
easy access to our network.  Half of our campus is situated in downtown Chicago 
amongst all the high-rises and tourist locations.  I do not want our network 
used by the multitude of Chicago tourists or business neighbors that can hear 
my network.  Our fear is that having that many unsolicited users would degrade 
the network quality significantly.  I hope the future of network access still 
leaves room for those that need that control over a guest network.  I would 
have a completely different outlook if I was located in a remote college town.


Ryan

--
Ryan Johnston he/him/his
Associate Director of Infrastructure
DePaul University
55 E Jackson Blvd | Chicago, Illinois 60604
https://www.depaul.edu |  https://helpdesk.depaul.edu

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 On Behalf Of Jeffrey D. Sessler
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 11:46 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [EXT] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Openroaming - anyone connected?

I’m not trying to get out of a business, but Internet2 could eventually get out 
of the radius/eduroam business. Unless I’m mistaken, at the point an 
institution federates directly with openroaming, the need for eduroam 
diminishes. Obviously it’s going to take time, but if there is a push to adopt 
openroaming in EDU, then in say five years, does eduroam have a future?

On the identity front… As we march toward a cloud-based future, and our WiFi 
networks transformed into simple gateways to the internet, how much information 
do we need/want? How much information should we collect? After all, if the 
service is no different than at Starbucks, what does the collection of more 
information do for us?

Jeff

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Tim Cappalli
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 9:09 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Openroaming - anyone connected?

What business are you trying to get out of specifically? OpenRoaming is a way 
for federations of organizations and/or individual organizations to 
interconnect. Eduroam would start to mean “less” to end users, as they wouldn’t 
see an “eduroam” ESSID anymore, but there is still value in a trust framework 
for educational organizations, especially when it comes to identity.

If you decide not to provision users with your university identity, you will 
likely have no access to that users real identity. I imagine you still want 
access to identity for your own users and devices?

At its core, OR is simply a few extra elements in the profile that gets put on 
the device provisioning. OR itself, also does not provide client provisioning. 
You still need to do that, or pay for a service that will do it.

I think, personally, that there is a major lack of understanding throughout the 
industry of what OR actually is.

tim

From: Jeffrey D. Sessler
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 11:56
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Openroaming - anyone connected?

Why not the other way around, and standardize on OpenRoaming, and have 
everything else become a member of it? Do we still need eduroam at that point? 
Do we care if the client device is using their ATT, Spectrum, or college 
credentials?

I’m reminded that in EDU we often fix problems nobody cared much about at the 
time e.g. eduroam, but as the world matures, and there are perhaps better 
alternatives, why not get out of the business?  There are costs to operate 
eduroam, and if it’s no longer strategic or different from other services e.g. 
OpenRoaming, why not put those resources into something that is strategic and a 
differentiator?  Why wouldn’t Internet2 and its members focus on adoption of 
OpenRoaming rather than a new and possibly duplicative service like anyroam?

Jeff



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Philippe Hanset
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 7:20 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Openroaming - anyone connected?

At least for the US, we plan to have an Open-Roaming gateway at ANYROAM.
We became member of the WBA for that purpose back in May 2020.

The idea is to simplify connectivity for schools:  you have one connection with 
ANYROAM, and all your roaming traffic
is sorted by us (Open-Roaming, eduroam, Govroam, …). No need to be turn your 
school’s RADIUS server into a complex gateway.

We are working on a document that we will post at