RE: [External] [WIRELESS-LAN] Placement mapping of APs

2021-06-24 Thread Sweetser, Frank E. 
Having someone go out and put eyes on all of the hardware is also a great 
chance to check for physical damage - broken mounts, evidence of water leaks, 
and so on.  For extra points, have them take a couple of pictures of each AP 
for future reference, and to help find any of the more hidden ones.

Frank Sweetser
Director of Network Operations
Worcester Polytechnic Institute
"For every problem, there is a solution that is simple, elegant, and wrong." - 
HL Mencken

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To the point of "hours of remapping everything", we were very successful 
leveraging intern/work study for this type of work several years ago.  When we 
have to do this again, i'll be running the same playbook.  4-6 student workers 
knocked it out over the summer.  You can do something similar over the school 
year, but it will likely take a little longer.  They enjoyed the work including 
the opportunity to visit locations and do site surveys as needed.

Nayef Z. Smith | Network Services | Voice: 404-727-6019


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Subject: [External] [WIRELESS-LAN] Placement mapping of APs

All,
For the upteenth time, we will need to re-map all of our access points in a 
Cisco GUI.   Originally they were in Prime.  Then we got DNAC and were told to 
migrate them there.  But, just found out that you cannot export the mappings 
(blank maps yes, mappings no) from DNACv1 to DNACv2.   And as the sync is only 
one way, Prime to DNAC, we cannot seamlessly return to Prime.

Until Cisco gets their act together, we will do the re-mapping in Prime and 
have that be our source of truth.   My question to the community is this.   How 
do you handle the AP placement mappings?   If there is a better way that 
manually dragging the images to the proper location, I would love to hear it.   
I see that you can use GPS coordinates but how can you get accurate coordinates 
inside a building?   Ideally, I would like to create a spreadsheet of AP and 
locations and then upload it to said system.  This way if Prime database gets 
corrupted (which has happened) or DNACv2-v3 also is not seamless, we do not 
have to spend the hours remapping everything ... again.

Christina Klam
Network Engineer
Institute for Advanced Study
1 Einstein Dr
Princeton, NJ 08540
(m) +1 609-751-7899
(o) +1 609-734-8154
ck...@ias.edu

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Re: [External] [WIRELESS-LAN] Placement mapping of APs

2021-06-24 Thread Curtis K. Larsen 
We do AP placements, (and more) in Ekahau.  It imports nicely into DNAC (with a 
rare horizontal to vertical map flipping problem that we are working on with 
Cisco).  Since Cisco has done the work to map from ekahau .json files with x,y 
coordinates and AP names and model numbers - it seems logical that they can 
also go the other way (export from DNAC to Ekahau).  We are working with some 
programming resources from Cisco on this right now.  Our goal is to be able to 
use Ekahau reports for cable installers, and AP name configuration then import 
to DNAC and then export at anytime from DNAC to Ekahau to generate a new 
installation report complete with x,y coordinates, AP Names and model numbers.  
I think we will achieve this goal soon.  Once that happens - only adjustments 
to existing buildings require moving APs on any maps -never one for one 
placements again.

Thanks,



--
Curtis K. Larsen
Wireless Network Engineer III
Infrastructure Ops
The University of Utah
Office 801-587-1313
Mobile 801-425-7528


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Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 8:05 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [External] [WIRELESS-LAN] Placement mapping of APs

To the point of "hours of remapping everything", we were very successful 
leveraging intern/work study for this type of work several years ago.  When we 
have to do this again, i'll be running the same playbook.  4-6 student workers 
knocked it out over the summer.  You can do something similar over the school 
year, but it will likely take a little longer.  They enjoyed the work including 
the opportunity to visit locations and do site surveys as needed.

Nayef Z. Smith | Network Services | Voice: 404-727-6019

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From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 on behalf of Christina Klam 
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 2:52 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
Subject: [External] [WIRELESS-LAN] Placement mapping of APs

All,
For the upteenth time, we will need to re-map all of our access points in a 
Cisco GUI.   Originally they were in Prime.  Then we got DNAC and were told to 
migrate them there.  But, just found out that you cannot export the mappings 
(blank maps yes, mappings no) from DNACv1 to DNACv2.   And as the sync is only 
one way, Prime to DNAC, we cannot seamlessly return to Prime.

Until Cisco gets their act together, we will do the re-mapping in Prime and 
have that be our source of truth.   My question to the community is this.   How 
do you handle the AP placement mappings?   If there is a better way that 
manually dragging the images to the proper location, I would love to hear it.   
I see that you can use GPS coordinates but how can you get accurate coordinates 
inside a building?   Ideally, I would like to create a spreadsheet of AP and 
locations and then upload it to said system.  This way if Prime database gets 
corrupted (which has happened) or DNACv2-v3 also is not seamless, we do not 
have to spend the hours remapping everything ... again.

Christina Klam
Network Engineer
Institute for Advanced Study
1 Einstein Dr
Princeton, NJ 08540
(m) +1 609-751-7899
(o) +1 609-734-8154
ck...@ias.edu


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RE: [External] [WIRELESS-LAN] Placement mapping of APs

2021-06-24 Thread Lee H Badman 
We also did some of this with student help over the years in PI... but the 
results were mixed. I'd say make sure the students thoroughly understand why 
what they are doing is important, trained well on your process, and get checked 
on occasionally for accuracy.

Also- for what these products cost, and the fact that Cisco is now "a software 
company", I'm taken aback that they haven't given customers a better migration 
strategy. Check this up to higher TCO and hidden costs of ownership, says I.



Lee Badman | Network Architect (CWNE#200)
Information Technology Services
(NDD Group)
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120 Smith Drive
Syracuse, New York 13244
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Campus Wireless Policy: 
https://answers.syr.edu/display/network/Wireless+Network+and+Systems
SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY
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From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
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Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 10:06 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [External] [WIRELESS-LAN] Placement mapping of APs

To the point of "hours of remapping everything", we were very successful 
leveraging intern/work study for this type of work several years ago.  When we 
have to do this again, i'll be running the same playbook.  4-6 student workers 
knocked it out over the summer.  You can do something similar over the school 
year, but it will likely take a little longer.  They enjoyed the work including 
the opportunity to visit locations and do site surveys as needed.

Nayef Z. Smith | Network Services | Voice: 404-727-6019


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From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
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mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>>
Subject: [External] [WIRELESS-LAN] Placement mapping of APs

All,
For the upteenth time, we will need to re-map all of our access points in a 
Cisco GUI.   Originally they were in Prime.  Then we got DNAC and were told to 
migrate them there.  But, just found out that you cannot export the mappings 
(blank maps yes, mappings no) from DNACv1 to DNACv2.   And as the sync is only 
one way, Prime to DNAC, we cannot seamlessly return to Prime.

Until Cisco gets their act together, we will do the re-mapping in Prime and 
have that be our source of truth.   My question to the community is this.   How 
do you handle the AP placement mappings?   If there is a better way that 
manually dragging the images to the proper location, I would love to hear it.   
I see that you can use GPS coordinates but how can you get accurate coordinates 
inside a building?   Ideally, I would like to create a spreadsheet of AP and 
locations and then upload it to said system.  This way if Prime database gets 
corrupted (which has happened) or DNACv2-v3 also is not seamless, we do not 
have to spend the hours remapping everything ... again.

Christina Klam
Network Engineer
Institute for Advanced Study
1 Einstein Dr
Princeton, NJ 08540
(m) +1 609-751-7899
(o) +1 609-734-8154
ck...@ias.edu

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Re: [External] [WIRELESS-LAN] Placement mapping of APs

2021-06-24 Thread Smith, Nayef 
To the point of "hours of remapping everything", we were very successful 
leveraging intern/work study for this type of work several years ago.  When we 
have to do this again, i'll be running the same playbook.  4-6 student workers 
knocked it out over the summer.  You can do something similar over the school 
year, but it will likely take a little longer.  They enjoyed the work including 
the opportunity to visit locations and do site surveys as needed.

Nayef Z. Smith | Network Services | Voice: 404-727-6019

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From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 on behalf of Christina Klam 
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 2:52 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
Subject: [External] [WIRELESS-LAN] Placement mapping of APs

All,
For the upteenth time, we will need to re-map all of our access points in a 
Cisco GUI.   Originally they were in Prime.  Then we got DNAC and were told to 
migrate them there.  But, just found out that you cannot export the mappings 
(blank maps yes, mappings no) from DNACv1 to DNACv2.   And as the sync is only 
one way, Prime to DNAC, we cannot seamlessly return to Prime.

Until Cisco gets their act together, we will do the re-mapping in Prime and 
have that be our source of truth.   My question to the community is this.   How 
do you handle the AP placement mappings?   If there is a better way that 
manually dragging the images to the proper location, I would love to hear it.   
I see that you can use GPS coordinates but how can you get accurate coordinates 
inside a building?   Ideally, I would like to create a spreadsheet of AP and 
locations and then upload it to said system.  This way if Prime database gets 
corrupted (which has happened) or DNACv2-v3 also is not seamless, we do not 
have to spend the hours remapping everything ... again.

Christina Klam
Network Engineer
Institute for Advanced Study
1 Einstein Dr
Princeton, NJ 08540
(m) +1 609-751-7899
(o) +1 609-734-8154
ck...@ias.edu


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