RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Per room wireless

[Daniel Brisson]

We are seeing the switch ports used, mainly for gaming devices like Xboxes or 
for gaming PCs, but that's it.

Since our jacks are directly to the left or right of the door at about hip 
level, the ports are definitely accessible.

-dan



Dan Brisson
Network Engineer
University of Vermont


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> Helman
> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 8:46 AM
> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Per room wireless
> 
> The design model we began rolling out last year was to have no more than 1
> wall between device and radio.  I looked at the hospitality units, and I had 3
> concerns:  1) Aruba devices are currently only Wave 1.  I'd rather roll out 
> the
> most recent technology.  2) I don't want them at 18" outlet height (this may
> be a good topic of discussion), which is where existing drops are.  This means
> I have to snake walls.  3) The units are more than half the cost of the Wave 2
> ceiling mounted units, so cost will go up ~40% (added wiring, labor, devices,
> PoE ports ,etc).
> 
> Of the people who rolled out the hospitality units, are you seeing the switch
> ports getting used?  Did you position (or have the ability to position) the 
> units
> such that the switch ports are even useful?
> 
> -Brian
> 
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> Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Per room wireless
> 
> How many on the list have moved to a per room model for wireless for
> student residence halls?
> 
> 
> 
> Michael Blaisdell
> Director of Network Services
> IT Services
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Per room wireless

[Chad Burnham]

HI Michael,

We completed Aruba AP-205H per room about a year ago, refreshed the edge 
switches with 10G uplinks too.  Major project for us.  Lots of box re-work in 
some of the rooms to facilitate the new WAPs. Feel we are set for the next 4-5 
years.

Chad

Director of Telecommunications
University Technology Services
University of Denver 
2100 S. High St. #106
Denver, CO 80208
Desk Phone: 303-871-4441
Mobile Phone: 303-520-5657
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Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 8:48 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Per room wireless

How many on the list have moved to a per room model for wireless for student 
residence halls?



Michael Blaisdell
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IT Services
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Saint Francis University
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Per room wireless

[Brian Helman]

The design model we began rolling out last year was to have no more than 1 wall 
between device and radio.  I looked at the hospitality units, and I had 3 
concerns:  1) Aruba devices are currently only Wave 1.  I'd rather roll out the 
most recent technology.  2) I don't want them at 18" outlet height (this may be 
a good topic of discussion), which is where existing drops are.  This means I 
have to snake walls.  3) The units are more than half the cost of the Wave 2 
ceiling mounted units, so cost will go up ~40% (added wiring, labor, devices, 
PoE ports ,etc).

Of the people who rolled out the hospitality units, are you seeing the switch 
ports getting used?  Did you position (or have the ability to position) the 
units such that the switch ports are even useful?

-Brian

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Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Per room wireless

How many on the list have moved to a per room model for wireless for student 
residence halls?



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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Per room wireless

[Jeremy Gibbs]

We are almost every other room.  Max power is 15 dB for 5 Ghz and the power
balances around 5 dB for 2.4.




*--Jeremy L. Gibbs*
Sr. Network Engineer
Utica College IITS

http://www.utica.edu

On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 8:24 PM, Eriks Rugelis  wrote:

> Since August 2013 we have deployed about 1680 AP702W's into undergrad
> residence rooms.   Since we enable and support the wired access ports on
> these APs, we also relocated all outlet boxes to just above desk height.
>
> Eriks Rugelis
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> York University
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Per room wireless

[Michael Hulko]

We have started down this road in several of our residences here at Western.

M

On Nov 4, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Michael Blaisdell 
> wrote:

How many on the list have moved to a per room model for wireless for student 
residence halls?



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IT Services
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Michael Hulko
Network Analyst

Western University Canada
Network Operations Centre
Information Technology Services
1393 Western Road, SSB 3300CC
London, Ontario  N6G 1G9

tel: 519-661-2111 x82433
direct: 519-850-2433
e-mail: mihu...@uwo.ca




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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Per room wireless

[T. Shayne Ghere]

We’re getting ready to deploy almost 900 of the Cisco 1810W (hospitality
AP’s) with the cradles in the residence halls.  We’re using 802.1x in order
to allow students to make use of the additional LAN ports in the cradles.



Our design is a high density 5Ghz deployment with some 2.4Ghz radios turned
on where needed (sparse).   With the buildings mostly comprised of
brick/rebar, the AP’s will be in every other room staggered across hallways.



In our suites, one is being placed in the common area which easily reaches
the 2-3 bedrooms.   My design is based on 25% power utilization which will
compensate for any AP’s that may fail during the evening.   The Controllers
will automatically adjust power levels up to 100% in the case of failures
on a floor.



Sentinel and Cisco has been great helping with the design and planned
implementation that we are doing right now.



Best of luck!

Shayne

--

T. Shayne Ghere

Bradley University

Wireless/Lan Engineer

1501 W. Bradley Ave, Jobst 224A

(309) 677-3094

sgh...@fsmail.bradley.edu

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WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Mark Elley
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*To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
*Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Per room wireless



For refurbishments we specify one high level data point per room so that we
have flexibility when installing APs near completion of project.  AP
locations are determined first by predictive design and then later using
APoaS survey.  After final installation we'll do another survey to tweak
power levels and luckily we've not had to move or add any APs yet.



Cheers,



Mark



Wireless Service Manager
IT Services, University of Bristol



On 4 November 2016 at 14:48, Michael Blaisdell <mblaisd...@francis.edu>
wrote:

How many on the list have moved to a per room model for wireless for
student residence halls?



Michael Blaisdell
Director of Network Services
IT Services
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Saint Francis University
117 Evergreen Drive
Loretto, PA  15940
814-472-3242
http://www.francis.edu
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Per room wireless

[Mark Elley]

For refurbishments we specify one high level data point per room so that we
have flexibility when installing APs near completion of project.  AP
locations are determined first by predictive design and then later using
APoaS survey.  After final installation we'll do another survey to tweak
power levels and luckily we've not had to move or add any APs yet.

Cheers,

Mark

Wireless Service Manager
IT Services, University of Bristol

On 4 November 2016 at 14:48, Michael Blaisdell 
wrote:

> How many on the list have moved to a per room model for wireless for
> student residence halls?
>
>
>
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> IT Services
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> Saint Francis University
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> http://www.francis.edu
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Per room wireless

[Bucklaew, Jerry]

We just completed half our dorms and did an AP approximately every other room 
(installed 2,000).  We used the 
"hospitality" ap's so they are mounted on the wall at jack height.  We mounted 
them where ever jacks where, which 
created some "interesting" designs.  We have many on outside walls, and some 
unfortunately point in undesirable 
directions, but we had to go where the jack was.  Coverage seems good, even for 
5ghz, we will complete at this density 
due to cost.

We also had issues as many of our data jacks either are panduit glued to wall 
(don't support single gang mounting) or 
have non data in the same box (coax) so a standard mount could only be used 
about 20% of the time.


On 11/04/2016 11:12 AM, Mike Atkins wrote:
> Our last two dorms we placed an AP in every third room staggered above and
> below so no client should be no more than one wall away.  We were
> fortunate enough to get Ethernet drops for APs to every room just in case.
> I say fortunate but we really pushed it as insurance for the future.
> Coverage is great. but now we have to get better at dealing with high
> density.  The APs were mounted above the door to reduce the chance of
> damage.  If anyone has APs on the outer wall, we would certainly be
> interested in your experience.  Otherwise it will likely be a test over
> the summer when students and their belonging are not present to give us an
> accurate picture.
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Per room wireless

[Mike Atkins]

Our last two dorms we placed an AP in every third room staggered above and
below so no client should be no more than one wall away.  We were
fortunate enough to get Ethernet drops for APs to every room just in case.
I say fortunate but we really pushed it as insurance for the future.
Coverage is great. but now we have to get better at dealing with high
density.  The APs were mounted above the door to reduce the chance of
damage.  If anyone has APs on the outer wall, we would certainly be
interested in your experience.  Otherwise it will likely be a test over
the summer when students and their belonging are not present to give us an
accurate picture.





Mike Atkins
Network Engineer
Office of Information Technology
University of Notre Dame


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Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Per room wireless

How many on the list have moved to a per room model for wireless for
student residence halls?



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IT Services
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Per room wireless

[Stephen Belcher]

We have moved to a per room model for student residence halls. It has worked 
well.

/ Stephen Belcher 
Assistant Director of Network Operations 
WVU Information Technology Services
One Waterfront Place / PO Box 6500
Morgantown, WV  26506

(304) 293-8440 office 
(681) 214-3389 mobile 
steve.belc...@mail.wvu.edu

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Per room wireless

[Dan Lauing]

It depends on the construction, but we typically have 1 AP to 2.5 rooms.
The APs are placed inside the rooms, but they're not 1-to-1.

On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 9:53 AM, Adam T Ferrero <a...@temple.edu> wrote:

>   We have an AP in nearly every suite.  That is what made things work well
> for us.
>
>   Adam
>
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>
> For Samford University, depending on the dorm construction, we have a per
> room or every other room model.
>
> Don Sullivan
> Network Administrator
> 205-726-2111
>
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>
> How many on the list have moved to a per room model for wireless for
> student residence halls?
>
>
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Per room wireless

[Muraca, Peppino P.]

Depending on the layout of the Dorm, we are moving to Aruba wireless and we are 
going to a every other room for the dorms that are long halls and Ap per suite 
for the Suite Dorms

Peppino Muraca
Sr. Network Administrator
Stonehill College
508-565-1193
pmur...@stonehill.edu
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Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Per room wireless

How many on the list have moved to a per room model for wireless for student 
residence halls?



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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Per room wireless

[Sweetser, Frank E]

We've moved partially to that, though not completely.


Suite based dorms (typically a common room, bathroom, and two or three 
bedrooms) and apartments get a single AP per suite/apartment.


Drywall or thinner brick construction, we typically do every other room.  We 
were able to get a drop in every room, though, so it's relatively easy to go 
back and adjust the deployment plan to fill in any coverage gaps that appear.


A few of our dorms have cinder blocks that appear to be partially metallic 
based, with something like 40dB reduction in signal strength through a single 
wall for 5GHz.  Those ones get an AP in each and every room.


Frank Sweetser
Director of Network Operations
Worcester Polytechnic Institute
"For every problem, there is a solution that is simple, elegant, and wrong." - 
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How many on the list have moved to a per room model for wireless for student 
residence halls?



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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Per room wireless

[Adam T Ferrero]

  We have an AP in nearly every suite.  That is what made things work well for 
us.

  Adam

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For Samford University, depending on the dorm construction, we have a per room 
or every other room model.

Don Sullivan
Network Administrator
205-726-2111

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How many on the list have moved to a per room model for wireless for student 
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Per room wireless

[Sullivan, Don]

For Samford University, depending on the dorm construction, we have a per room 
or every other room model.

Don Sullivan
Network Administrator
205-726-2111

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How many on the list have moved to a per room model for wireless for student 
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Michael Blaisdell
Director of Network Services
IT Services
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117 Evergreen Drive
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