RE: Question about Cisco 1810w APs in residential buildings

[Stephen Belcher]

We just finished up our residential deployment this past summer. One Cisco 702 
AP in every room (the 1810s weren't ready when we deployed). We pulled the 
existing cable up to around 6.5 ft and mounted the AP so it wouldn't get 
damaged (as much). We disable the Ethernet ports but the mounting bracket 
covers them just in case. We turned 2.4 Ghz off in every other room and added 
2700 series APs to the common areas.

In total we have around 2620 702s deployed.

Our Palo Alto firewalls don't support UPnP while NATting so we use ISE to 
profile the gaming devices and give them a public IP address. We have a few 
sporadic issues but it's fairly typical client-side driver problems.


/ Stephen Belcher
Assistant Director of Network Operations
WVU Information Technology Services
One Waterfront Place / PO Box 6500
Morgantown, WV  26506

(304) 293-8440 office
(681) 214-3389 mobile
steve.belc...@mail.wvu.edu


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Ian Lyons
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 10:01 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Question about Cisco 1810w APs in residential 
buildings

Due to the room density and building materials (cement block) we put one in 
each room.

We got a good deal from Cisco and the cost was about 1/3 of a full power AP.

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Thomas Carter
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 9:59 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Question about Cisco 1810w APs in residential 
buildings

What's the density of these? With 700 beds, it doesn't sound like one AP per 
room. Just curious about the trade-offs in cost vs coverage compared to more 
traditional APs.

Thomas Carter
Network & Operations Manager / IT
Austin College
900 North Grand Avenue
Sherman, TX 75090
Phone: 903-813-2564
www.austincollege.edu
[http://www.austincollege.edu/images/AusColl_Logo_Email.gif]

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Daniel Brisson
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 8:07 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Question about Cisco 1810w APs in residential 
buildings

We've deployed around 150 or so in one complex although we're fortunate to have 
them mounted just to the left or right of the door at about waist level.  Still 
have the concerns about getting knocked around with furniture, but so far so 
good.

Hopefully the DNS discovery issues have been resolved as we have another 180 or 
so going in this winter into a new 700 bed building.

-dan



Dan Brisson
Network Engineer
University of Vermont

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Ian Lyons
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 8:52 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Question about Cisco 1810w APs in residential 
buildings

They are designed to cover the room itself.  Rollins has found that it does do 
that, even with the furniture covering it.

It actually helps limit the signal propagation (2.4).

Ian

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Hector J Rios
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 8:36 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Question about Cisco 1810w APs in residential 
buildings

One of my biggest concerns has always been the height at which these WAPs get 
installed (as you mentioned, 1.5ft). In most of our residential buildings, the 
data ports happen to be right behind desks that are provided by ResLife and the 
desks have covers in the back that essentially would bump against the WAP. Not 
to mention the fact that as furniture gets moved around, there is always the 
potential of knocking down the WAP. I wonder how has already deployed them in a 
similar fashion and what the experience has been?

If you end up using them, I'd be curious to see how things work out.

Best,

Hector Rios
Louisiana State University

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Devyn Moore
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 9:49 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Question about Cisco 1810w APs in residential buildings

All,

Our housing department wants us to look at these for wide-scale deployment in 
11 residence halls within the next 2-3 years due to cost reduction in cable 
installation with our 

RE: Question about Cisco 1810w APs in residential buildings

[Sullivan, Don]

Our experience is in line with this statement. We use the Cisco 702 APs and 
have found when they do get knocked off of the wall the APs do not suffer any 
damage. I have seen a couple of messed up mounting brackets but the APs 
themselves were still working just fine. This has occurred about 4 or 5 times 
over the last 2 and ½ years. We have around 700 of these APs deployed in the 
dorms.

Don Sullivan
Network Administrator
Samford University
205-726-2111

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Ian Lyons
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 8:53 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Question about Cisco 1810w APs in residential 
buildings

The AP's are pretty sturdy.  The mounting kits we used, those get knocked about 
and will require repair.  Past experience with wall wart (boxes that stick out) 
in dorm rooms is that the mountings will get bashed about ~10%

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Thomas Carter
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 9:51 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Question about Cisco 1810w APs in residential 
buildings

Not to speak for Hector, but I think the concern here is physical damage. 
That's an interesting topic as here we're used to ceiling mount APs that are 
generally out of the way. However, we have a few hallway phones (admittedly 
higher on the wall), and probably 15%-20% get damaged or knocked off the wall 
every year.  Would the students be any more careful about APs at outlet or desk 
level?

Thomas Carter
Network & Operations Manager / IT
Austin College
900 North Grand Avenue
Sherman, TX 75090
Phone: 903-813-2564
www.austincollege.edu
[http://www.austincollege.edu/images/AusColl_Logo_Email.gif]

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Ian Lyons
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 7:52 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Question about Cisco 1810w APs in residential 
buildings

They are designed to cover the room itself.  Rollins has found that it does do 
that, even with the furniture covering it.

It actually helps limit the signal propagation (2.4).

Ian

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Hector J Rios
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 8:36 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Question about Cisco 1810w APs in residential 
buildings

One of my biggest concerns has always been the height at which these WAPs get 
installed (as you mentioned, 1.5ft). In most of our residential buildings, the 
data ports happen to be right behind desks that are provided by ResLife and the 
desks have covers in the back that essentially would bump against the WAP. Not 
to mention the fact that as furniture gets moved around, there is always the 
potential of knocking down the WAP. I wonder how has already deployed them in a 
similar fashion and what the experience has been?

If you end up using them, I'd be curious to see how things work out.

Best,

Hector Rios
Louisiana State University

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Devyn Moore
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 9:49 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Question about Cisco 1810w APs in residential buildings

All,

Our housing department wants us to look at these for wide-scale deployment in 
11 residence halls within the next 2-3 years due to cost reduction in cable 
installation with our previous designs. This will be a one AP per room 
deployment utilizing current wiring infrastructure, where Aps were previously 
in the hallways (2600, 3500). We're planning to configure the cells to a lower 
transmit power as well as assigning channels based on zero occupancy with 20MHz 
channels. Our ability to get into these buildings in order to resolve rogue 
issues is severely limited already because we are required to have a 
Residential Technician (from the housing department) with us when visiting 
student rooms. That's only going to get worse when we lose visibility that we 
currently have with our current deployments in the halls. We're also not 
planning to enable the ethernet ports because those aren't in scope for the 
Proof of Concept due to 

RE: Question about Cisco 1810w APs in residential buildings

[Ian Lyons]

Due to the room density and building materials (cement block) we put one in 
each room.

We got a good deal from Cisco and the cost was about 1/3 of a full power AP.

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Thomas Carter
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 9:59 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Question about Cisco 1810w APs in residential 
buildings

What's the density of these? With 700 beds, it doesn't sound like one AP per 
room. Just curious about the trade-offs in cost vs coverage compared to more 
traditional APs.

Thomas Carter
Network & Operations Manager / IT
Austin College
900 North Grand Avenue
Sherman, TX 75090
Phone: 903-813-2564
www.austincollege.edu
[http://www.austincollege.edu/images/AusColl_Logo_Email.gif]

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Daniel Brisson
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 8:07 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Question about Cisco 1810w APs in residential 
buildings

We've deployed around 150 or so in one complex although we're fortunate to have 
them mounted just to the left or right of the door at about waist level.  Still 
have the concerns about getting knocked around with furniture, but so far so 
good.

Hopefully the DNS discovery issues have been resolved as we have another 180 or 
so going in this winter into a new 700 bed building.

-dan



Dan Brisson
Network Engineer
University of Vermont

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Ian Lyons
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 8:52 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Question about Cisco 1810w APs in residential 
buildings

They are designed to cover the room itself.  Rollins has found that it does do 
that, even with the furniture covering it.

It actually helps limit the signal propagation (2.4).

Ian

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Hector J Rios
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 8:36 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Question about Cisco 1810w APs in residential 
buildings

One of my biggest concerns has always been the height at which these WAPs get 
installed (as you mentioned, 1.5ft). In most of our residential buildings, the 
data ports happen to be right behind desks that are provided by ResLife and the 
desks have covers in the back that essentially would bump against the WAP. Not 
to mention the fact that as furniture gets moved around, there is always the 
potential of knocking down the WAP. I wonder how has already deployed them in a 
similar fashion and what the experience has been?

If you end up using them, I'd be curious to see how things work out.

Best,

Hector Rios
Louisiana State University

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Devyn Moore
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 9:49 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Question about Cisco 1810w APs in residential buildings

All,

Our housing department wants us to look at these for wide-scale deployment in 
11 residence halls within the next 2-3 years due to cost reduction in cable 
installation with our previous designs. This will be a one AP per room 
deployment utilizing current wiring infrastructure, where Aps were previously 
in the hallways (2600, 3500). We're planning to configure the cells to a lower 
transmit power as well as assigning channels based on zero occupancy with 20MHz 
channels. Our ability to get into these buildings in order to resolve rogue 
issues is severely limited already because we are required to have a 
Residential Technician (from the housing department) with us when visiting 
student rooms. That's only going to get worse when we lose visibility that we 
currently have with our current deployments in the halls. We're also not 
planning to enable the ethernet ports because those aren't in scope for the 
Proof of Concept due to crashed timelines provided by the department.

We're currently running 8.0.133.0 and have been incredibly stable (no AVC, no 
IPv6, 802.1x for primary SSID, web auth guest). We don't use ISE, but use 
FreeRADIUS for wireless auth. We're running two pairs of Hot/Standby 8510s with 
a mixture of 2600, 2700, 3500, 3600 and 3700 series APs, but would like to 
start integrating 2800 and 3800 series APs - separate from the housing request. 
I am targeting 8.2.121.7 for our upgrade in order to get around some bugs that 
I've seen 

RE: Question about Cisco 1810w APs in residential buildings

[Thomas Carter]

What's the density of these? With 700 beds, it doesn't sound like one AP per 
room. Just curious about the trade-offs in cost vs coverage compared to more 
traditional APs.

Thomas Carter
Network & Operations Manager / IT
Austin College
900 North Grand Avenue
Sherman, TX 75090
Phone: 903-813-2564
www.austincollege.edu
[http://www.austincollege.edu/images/AusColl_Logo_Email.gif]

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Daniel Brisson
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 8:07 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Question about Cisco 1810w APs in residential 
buildings

We've deployed around 150 or so in one complex although we're fortunate to have 
them mounted just to the left or right of the door at about waist level.  Still 
have the concerns about getting knocked around with furniture, but so far so 
good.

Hopefully the DNS discovery issues have been resolved as we have another 180 or 
so going in this winter into a new 700 bed building.

-dan



Dan Brisson
Network Engineer
University of Vermont

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Ian Lyons
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 8:52 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Question about Cisco 1810w APs in residential 
buildings

They are designed to cover the room itself.  Rollins has found that it does do 
that, even with the furniture covering it.

It actually helps limit the signal propagation (2.4).

Ian

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Hector J Rios
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 8:36 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Question about Cisco 1810w APs in residential 
buildings

One of my biggest concerns has always been the height at which these WAPs get 
installed (as you mentioned, 1.5ft). In most of our residential buildings, the 
data ports happen to be right behind desks that are provided by ResLife and the 
desks have covers in the back that essentially would bump against the WAP. Not 
to mention the fact that as furniture gets moved around, there is always the 
potential of knocking down the WAP. I wonder how has already deployed them in a 
similar fashion and what the experience has been?

If you end up using them, I'd be curious to see how things work out.

Best,

Hector Rios
Louisiana State University

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Devyn Moore
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 9:49 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Question about Cisco 1810w APs in residential buildings

All,

Our housing department wants us to look at these for wide-scale deployment in 
11 residence halls within the next 2-3 years due to cost reduction in cable 
installation with our previous designs. This will be a one AP per room 
deployment utilizing current wiring infrastructure, where Aps were previously 
in the hallways (2600, 3500). We're planning to configure the cells to a lower 
transmit power as well as assigning channels based on zero occupancy with 20MHz 
channels. Our ability to get into these buildings in order to resolve rogue 
issues is severely limited already because we are required to have a 
Residential Technician (from the housing department) with us when visiting 
student rooms. That's only going to get worse when we lose visibility that we 
currently have with our current deployments in the halls. We're also not 
planning to enable the ethernet ports because those aren't in scope for the 
Proof of Concept due to crashed timelines provided by the department.

We're currently running 8.0.133.0 and have been incredibly stable (no AVC, no 
IPv6, 802.1x for primary SSID, web auth guest). We don't use ISE, but use 
FreeRADIUS for wireless auth. We're running two pairs of Hot/Standby 8510s with 
a mixture of 2600, 2700, 3500, 3600 and 3700 series APs, but would like to 
start integrating 2800 and 3800 series APs - separate from the housing request. 
I am targeting 8.2.121.7 for our upgrade in order to get around some bugs that 
I've seen mentioned here as we also start testing 2800/3800 in our environment.

Has anyone had any issues with 1810w in dense cell deployments like residential 
hall buildings? Issues with damaged devices due to installation locations on 
wall approximately 1.5ft (45cm) from the floor? Have there been any issues with 
SSO HA with 8.2.121.7? Anything else you'd like to share about the 1810ws?

Thanks in advance for the feedback.
--
Devyn Moore
Network Enterprise Systems Team Leader
Campus Wireless Network Engineer

RE: Question about Cisco 1810w APs in residential buildings

[Ian Lyons]

The AP's are pretty sturdy.  The mounting kits we used, those get knocked about 
and will require repair.  Past experience with wall wart (boxes that stick out) 
in dorm rooms is that the mountings will get bashed about ~10%

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Thomas Carter
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 9:51 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Question about Cisco 1810w APs in residential 
buildings

Not to speak for Hector, but I think the concern here is physical damage. 
That's an interesting topic as here we're used to ceiling mount APs that are 
generally out of the way. However, we have a few hallway phones (admittedly 
higher on the wall), and probably 15%-20% get damaged or knocked off the wall 
every year.  Would the students be any more careful about APs at outlet or desk 
level?

Thomas Carter
Network & Operations Manager / IT
Austin College
900 North Grand Avenue
Sherman, TX 75090
Phone: 903-813-2564
www.austincollege.edu
[http://www.austincollege.edu/images/AusColl_Logo_Email.gif]

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Ian Lyons
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 7:52 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Question about Cisco 1810w APs in residential 
buildings

They are designed to cover the room itself.  Rollins has found that it does do 
that, even with the furniture covering it.

It actually helps limit the signal propagation (2.4).

Ian

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Hector J Rios
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 8:36 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Question about Cisco 1810w APs in residential 
buildings

One of my biggest concerns has always been the height at which these WAPs get 
installed (as you mentioned, 1.5ft). In most of our residential buildings, the 
data ports happen to be right behind desks that are provided by ResLife and the 
desks have covers in the back that essentially would bump against the WAP. Not 
to mention the fact that as furniture gets moved around, there is always the 
potential of knocking down the WAP. I wonder how has already deployed them in a 
similar fashion and what the experience has been?

If you end up using them, I'd be curious to see how things work out.

Best,

Hector Rios
Louisiana State University

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Devyn Moore
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 9:49 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Question about Cisco 1810w APs in residential buildings

All,

Our housing department wants us to look at these for wide-scale deployment in 
11 residence halls within the next 2-3 years due to cost reduction in cable 
installation with our previous designs. This will be a one AP per room 
deployment utilizing current wiring infrastructure, where Aps were previously 
in the hallways (2600, 3500). We're planning to configure the cells to a lower 
transmit power as well as assigning channels based on zero occupancy with 20MHz 
channels. Our ability to get into these buildings in order to resolve rogue 
issues is severely limited already because we are required to have a 
Residential Technician (from the housing department) with us when visiting 
student rooms. That's only going to get worse when we lose visibility that we 
currently have with our current deployments in the halls. We're also not 
planning to enable the ethernet ports because those aren't in scope for the 
Proof of Concept due to crashed timelines provided by the department.

We're currently running 8.0.133.0 and have been incredibly stable (no AVC, no 
IPv6, 802.1x for primary SSID, web auth guest). We don't use ISE, but use 
FreeRADIUS for wireless auth. We're running two pairs of Hot/Standby 8510s with 
a mixture of 2600, 2700, 3500, 3600 and 3700 series APs, but would like to 
start integrating 2800 and 3800 series APs - separate from the housing request. 
I am targeting 8.2.121.7 for our upgrade in order to get around some bugs that 
I've seen mentioned here as we also start testing 2800/3800 in our environment.

Has anyone had any issues with 1810w in dense cell deployments like residential 
hall buildings? Issues with damaged devices due to installation locations on 
wall approximately 1.5ft (45cm) from the floor? Have there been any issues with 
SSO HA with 8.2.121.7? Anything else you'd like to share about the 1810ws?

Thanks in advance for the feedback.
--
Devyn Moore
Network Enterprise Systems Team Leader
Campus Wireless Network 

RE: Question about Cisco 1810w APs in residential buildings

[Thomas Carter]

Not to speak for Hector, but I think the concern here is physical damage. 
That's an interesting topic as here we're used to ceiling mount APs that are 
generally out of the way. However, we have a few hallway phones (admittedly 
higher on the wall), and probably 15%-20% get damaged or knocked off the wall 
every year.  Would the students be any more careful about APs at outlet or desk 
level?

Thomas Carter
Network & Operations Manager / IT
Austin College
900 North Grand Avenue
Sherman, TX 75090
Phone: 903-813-2564
www.austincollege.edu
[http://www.austincollege.edu/images/AusColl_Logo_Email.gif]

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Ian Lyons
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 7:52 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Question about Cisco 1810w APs in residential 
buildings

They are designed to cover the room itself.  Rollins has found that it does do 
that, even with the furniture covering it.

It actually helps limit the signal propagation (2.4).

Ian

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Hector J Rios
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 8:36 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Question about Cisco 1810w APs in residential 
buildings

One of my biggest concerns has always been the height at which these WAPs get 
installed (as you mentioned, 1.5ft). In most of our residential buildings, the 
data ports happen to be right behind desks that are provided by ResLife and the 
desks have covers in the back that essentially would bump against the WAP. Not 
to mention the fact that as furniture gets moved around, there is always the 
potential of knocking down the WAP. I wonder how has already deployed them in a 
similar fashion and what the experience has been?

If you end up using them, I'd be curious to see how things work out.

Best,

Hector Rios
Louisiana State University

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Devyn Moore
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 9:49 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Question about Cisco 1810w APs in residential buildings

All,

Our housing department wants us to look at these for wide-scale deployment in 
11 residence halls within the next 2-3 years due to cost reduction in cable 
installation with our previous designs. This will be a one AP per room 
deployment utilizing current wiring infrastructure, where Aps were previously 
in the hallways (2600, 3500). We're planning to configure the cells to a lower 
transmit power as well as assigning channels based on zero occupancy with 20MHz 
channels. Our ability to get into these buildings in order to resolve rogue 
issues is severely limited already because we are required to have a 
Residential Technician (from the housing department) with us when visiting 
student rooms. That's only going to get worse when we lose visibility that we 
currently have with our current deployments in the halls. We're also not 
planning to enable the ethernet ports because those aren't in scope for the 
Proof of Concept due to crashed timelines provided by the department.

We're currently running 8.0.133.0 and have been incredibly stable (no AVC, no 
IPv6, 802.1x for primary SSID, web auth guest). We don't use ISE, but use 
FreeRADIUS for wireless auth. We're running two pairs of Hot/Standby 8510s with 
a mixture of 2600, 2700, 3500, 3600 and 3700 series APs, but would like to 
start integrating 2800 and 3800 series APs - separate from the housing request. 
I am targeting 8.2.121.7 for our upgrade in order to get around some bugs that 
I've seen mentioned here as we also start testing 2800/3800 in our environment.

Has anyone had any issues with 1810w in dense cell deployments like residential 
hall buildings? Issues with damaged devices due to installation locations on 
wall approximately 1.5ft (45cm) from the floor? Have there been any issues with 
SSO HA with 8.2.121.7? Anything else you'd like to share about the 1810ws?

Thanks in advance for the feedback.
--
Devyn Moore
Network Enterprise Systems Team Leader
Campus Wireless Network Engineer
Information Technology Services
http://directory.uark.edu/people/devyn

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RE: Question about Cisco 1810w APs in residential buildings

[Daniel Brisson]

We've deployed around 150 or so in one complex although we're fortunate to have 
them mounted just to the left or right of the door at about waist level.  Still 
have the concerns about getting knocked around with furniture, but so far so 
good.

Hopefully the DNS discovery issues have been resolved as we have another 180 or 
so going in this winter into a new 700 bed building.

-dan



Dan Brisson
Network Engineer
University of Vermont

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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Ian Lyons
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 8:52 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Question about Cisco 1810w APs in residential 
buildings

They are designed to cover the room itself.  Rollins has found that it does do 
that, even with the furniture covering it.

It actually helps limit the signal propagation (2.4).

Ian

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Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 8:36 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Question about Cisco 1810w APs in residential 
buildings

One of my biggest concerns has always been the height at which these WAPs get 
installed (as you mentioned, 1.5ft). In most of our residential buildings, the 
data ports happen to be right behind desks that are provided by ResLife and the 
desks have covers in the back that essentially would bump against the WAP. Not 
to mention the fact that as furniture gets moved around, there is always the 
potential of knocking down the WAP. I wonder how has already deployed them in a 
similar fashion and what the experience has been?

If you end up using them, I'd be curious to see how things work out.

Best,

Hector Rios
Louisiana State University

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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Devyn Moore
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 9:49 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Question about Cisco 1810w APs in residential buildings

All,

Our housing department wants us to look at these for wide-scale deployment in 
11 residence halls within the next 2-3 years due to cost reduction in cable 
installation with our previous designs. This will be a one AP per room 
deployment utilizing current wiring infrastructure, where Aps were previously 
in the hallways (2600, 3500). We're planning to configure the cells to a lower 
transmit power as well as assigning channels based on zero occupancy with 20MHz 
channels. Our ability to get into these buildings in order to resolve rogue 
issues is severely limited already because we are required to have a 
Residential Technician (from the housing department) with us when visiting 
student rooms. That's only going to get worse when we lose visibility that we 
currently have with our current deployments in the halls. We're also not 
planning to enable the ethernet ports because those aren't in scope for the 
Proof of Concept due to crashed timelines provided by the department.

We're currently running 8.0.133.0 and have been incredibly stable (no AVC, no 
IPv6, 802.1x for primary SSID, web auth guest). We don't use ISE, but use 
FreeRADIUS for wireless auth. We're running two pairs of Hot/Standby 8510s with 
a mixture of 2600, 2700, 3500, 3600 and 3700 series APs, but would like to 
start integrating 2800 and 3800 series APs - separate from the housing request. 
I am targeting 8.2.121.7 for our upgrade in order to get around some bugs that 
I've seen mentioned here as we also start testing 2800/3800 in our environment.

Has anyone had any issues with 1810w in dense cell deployments like residential 
hall buildings? Issues with damaged devices due to installation locations on 
wall approximately 1.5ft (45cm) from the floor? Have there been any issues with 
SSO HA with 8.2.121.7? Anything else you'd like to share about the 1810ws?

Thanks in advance for the feedback.
--
Devyn Moore
Network Enterprise Systems Team Leader
Campus Wireless Network Engineer
Information Technology Services
http://directory.uark.edu/people/devyn

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RE: Question about Cisco 1810w APs in residential buildings

[Ian Lyons]

They are designed to cover the room itself.  Rollins has found that it does do 
that, even with the furniture covering it.

It actually helps limit the signal propagation (2.4).

Ian

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Hector J Rios
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 8:36 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Question about Cisco 1810w APs in residential 
buildings

One of my biggest concerns has always been the height at which these WAPs get 
installed (as you mentioned, 1.5ft). In most of our residential buildings, the 
data ports happen to be right behind desks that are provided by ResLife and the 
desks have covers in the back that essentially would bump against the WAP. Not 
to mention the fact that as furniture gets moved around, there is always the 
potential of knocking down the WAP. I wonder how has already deployed them in a 
similar fashion and what the experience has been?

If you end up using them, I'd be curious to see how things work out.

Best,

Hector Rios
Louisiana State University

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Devyn Moore
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 9:49 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Question about Cisco 1810w APs in residential buildings

All,

Our housing department wants us to look at these for wide-scale deployment in 
11 residence halls within the next 2-3 years due to cost reduction in cable 
installation with our previous designs. This will be a one AP per room 
deployment utilizing current wiring infrastructure, where Aps were previously 
in the hallways (2600, 3500). We're planning to configure the cells to a lower 
transmit power as well as assigning channels based on zero occupancy with 20MHz 
channels. Our ability to get into these buildings in order to resolve rogue 
issues is severely limited already because we are required to have a 
Residential Technician (from the housing department) with us when visiting 
student rooms. That's only going to get worse when we lose visibility that we 
currently have with our current deployments in the halls. We're also not 
planning to enable the ethernet ports because those aren't in scope for the 
Proof of Concept due to crashed timelines provided by the department.

We're currently running 8.0.133.0 and have been incredibly stable (no AVC, no 
IPv6, 802.1x for primary SSID, web auth guest). We don't use ISE, but use 
FreeRADIUS for wireless auth. We're running two pairs of Hot/Standby 8510s with 
a mixture of 2600, 2700, 3500, 3600 and 3700 series APs, but would like to 
start integrating 2800 and 3800 series APs - separate from the housing request. 
I am targeting 8.2.121.7 for our upgrade in order to get around some bugs that 
I've seen mentioned here as we also start testing 2800/3800 in our environment.

Has anyone had any issues with 1810w in dense cell deployments like residential 
hall buildings? Issues with damaged devices due to installation locations on 
wall approximately 1.5ft (45cm) from the floor? Have there been any issues with 
SSO HA with 8.2.121.7? Anything else you'd like to share about the 1810ws?

Thanks in advance for the feedback.
--
Devyn Moore
Network Enterprise Systems Team Leader
Campus Wireless Network Engineer
Information Technology Services
http://directory.uark.edu/people/devyn

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RE: Question about Cisco 1810w APs in residential buildings

[Hector J Rios]

One of my biggest concerns has always been the height at which these WAPs get 
installed (as you mentioned, 1.5ft). In most of our residential buildings, the 
data ports happen to be right behind desks that are provided by ResLife and the 
desks have covers in the back that essentially would bump against the WAP. Not 
to mention the fact that as furniture gets moved around, there is always the 
potential of knocking down the WAP. I wonder how has already deployed them in a 
similar fashion and what the experience has been?

If you end up using them, I'd be curious to see how things work out.

Best,

Hector Rios
Louisiana State University

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Devyn Moore
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 9:49 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Question about Cisco 1810w APs in residential buildings

All,

Our housing department wants us to look at these for wide-scale deployment in 
11 residence halls within the next 2-3 years due to cost reduction in cable 
installation with our previous designs. This will be a one AP per room 
deployment utilizing current wiring infrastructure, where Aps were previously 
in the hallways (2600, 3500). We're planning to configure the cells to a lower 
transmit power as well as assigning channels based on zero occupancy with 20MHz 
channels. Our ability to get into these buildings in order to resolve rogue 
issues is severely limited already because we are required to have a 
Residential Technician (from the housing department) with us when visiting 
student rooms. That's only going to get worse when we lose visibility that we 
currently have with our current deployments in the halls. We're also not 
planning to enable the ethernet ports because those aren't in scope for the 
Proof of Concept due to crashed timelines provided by the department.

We're currently running 8.0.133.0 and have been incredibly stable (no AVC, no 
IPv6, 802.1x for primary SSID, web auth guest). We don't use ISE, but use 
FreeRADIUS for wireless auth. We're running two pairs of Hot/Standby 8510s with 
a mixture of 2600, 2700, 3500, 3600 and 3700 series APs, but would like to 
start integrating 2800 and 3800 series APs - separate from the housing request. 
I am targeting 8.2.121.7 for our upgrade in order to get around some bugs that 
I've seen mentioned here as we also start testing 2800/3800 in our environment.

Has anyone had any issues with 1810w in dense cell deployments like residential 
hall buildings? Issues with damaged devices due to installation locations on 
wall approximately 1.5ft (45cm) from the floor? Have there been any issues with 
SSO HA with 8.2.121.7? Anything else you'd like to share about the 1810ws?

Thanks in advance for the feedback.
--
Devyn Moore
Network Enterprise Systems Team Leader
Campus Wireless Network Engineer
Information Technology Services
http://directory.uark.edu/people/devyn

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RE: Question about Cisco 1810w APs in residential buildings

[Ian Lyons]

8.2.120.11 is the minimum version I would recommend.  1810 (in my opinion) came 
out of the factory not completely baked.

We bought the first batch of 1810's off the assembly line and they did not have 
a means to talk to the controller (DNS would not work nor DNS options). We had 
to manually point them at our controller.  However, *if* you bought a recent 
batch (after Sept) I have been told they have reimaged all the AP's at the 
assembly line and that issue has been resolved.

Other issues we have seen (and in 8.2.130.0 most have been resolved) are AP's 
rebooting frequently.  More recent code upgrades have fixed that issue, however 
we are still having an issue with the 1810's and the wired ports.

As to redundant WLC's I would go to 8.2.121.11 at a minimum, there is a WLC 
issue with SSO as well as the 1810 issue that I found (the hard way) to be the 
minimum version to start at.

Things are improving.  However, 500 1810's deployed = challenging times.

The good news is, is that the students memories are short and I expect once 
these issues get ironed out, smooth sailing.

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Devyn Moore
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 10:49 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Question about Cisco 1810w APs in residential buildings

All,

Our housing department wants us to look at these for wide-scale deployment in 
11 residence halls within the next 2-3 years due to cost reduction in cable 
installation with our previous designs. This will be a one AP per room 
deployment utilizing current wiring infrastructure, where Aps were previously 
in the hallways (2600, 3500). We're planning to configure the cells to a lower 
transmit power as well as assigning channels based on zero occupancy with 20MHz 
channels. Our ability to get into these buildings in order to resolve rogue 
issues is severely limited already because we are required to have a 
Residential Technician (from the housing department) with us when visiting 
student rooms. That's only going to get worse when we lose visibility that we 
currently have with our current deployments in the halls. We're also not 
planning to enable the ethernet ports because those aren't in scope for the 
Proof of Concept due to crashed timelines provided by the department.

We're currently running 8.0.133.0 and have been incredibly stable (no AVC, no 
IPv6, 802.1x for primary SSID, web auth guest). We don't use ISE, but use 
FreeRADIUS for wireless auth. We're running two pairs of Hot/Standby 8510s with 
a mixture of 2600, 2700, 3500, 3600 and 3700 series APs, but would like to 
start integrating 2800 and 3800 series APs - separate from the housing request. 
I am targeting 8.2.121.7 for our upgrade in order to get around some bugs that 
I've seen mentioned here as we also start testing 2800/3800 in our environment.

Has anyone had any issues with 1810w in dense cell deployments like residential 
hall buildings? Issues with damaged devices due to installation locations on 
wall approximately 1.5ft (45cm) from the floor? Have there been any issues with 
SSO HA with 8.2.121.7? Anything else you'd like to share about the 1810ws?

Thanks in advance for the feedback.
--
Devyn Moore
Network Enterprise Systems Team Leader
Campus Wireless Network Engineer
Information Technology Services
http://directory.uark.edu/people/devyn

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