Re: [WISPA] Demartech Radios

2005-08-25 Thread Bo Hamilton
Brian thanks for the great info on Demarc! Bo Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I've lost a few, but due to surges. Ground and put this http://www.demarctech.com/products/reliawave-poe/dt-poe-sp01.html on the ethernet run (tucked in the enclosure) and your golden. Tony will give the ethernet

Re: [WISPA] Taking on an investor?

2005-08-25 Thread Tom DeReggi
Most ISPs shared that plan. But it rarely works that way, when you want to grow your business. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent:

[WISPA] Waverider 900 mhz throughput

2005-08-25 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
Anyone with real-world experience with them? I sell 2M X 2M connections... will WR gear keep up with this, and what is the maximum available real throughput? Not radio rates, but real-world throughput? North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast

RE: [WISPA] Waverider 900 mhz throughput

2005-08-25 Thread Charles Wu
In the lab, in a clean environment, using BSD hosts and TCP, we get about 1.8 Mb of Real throughput However, w/ NLoS 900 Mhz systems, there are too many variables (e.g., which data rate, loss, multipath, etc) that will affect your real-world throughput performance To get further FREE

Re: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering

2005-08-25 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
I was told to bring this up after WiNog. Well... -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] Waverider 900 mhz throughput

2005-08-25 Thread John Scrivner
I do not think you will find any 900 Mhz 2M X 2M solutions out there that will scale well. I use Waverider and it works really well for my service. I offer two plans. 768K and 256K up and down. I can get about 70 to 100 clients per sector with Waverider running this way. I think the polling

Re: [WISPA] Taking on an investor?

2005-08-25 Thread John Scrivner
Consider contracting through the local Dish/DirecTV installers. It can save you a bunch of headaches and will cost less than employees in the end. Scriv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I just have to find someone to do installs. I have as many waiting to be hooked up as I have hooked up. It's

RE: [WISPA] Waverider 900 mhz throughput

2005-08-25 Thread Charles Wu
Canopy 900 has close to 4 Mb of aggregate *REAL* thoughput now in 2x mode -Charles --- WISPNOG Park City, UT http://www.wispnog.com August 15-17, 2005 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner

RE: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering - WISPBONE

2005-08-25 Thread Brian Webster
Hi Brian, Well we led a session that started a dialog on this topic. It got quite loud at times. The end result was I am willing to donate time to map out in one location all of the data people send me with locations of POP's, fiber hotels and other inexpensive sources of bandwidth.

Re: [WISPA] Waverider 900 mhz throughput

2005-08-25 Thread John Scrivner
I take it from this post regarding Canopy that the other systems you tested were not as much speed? Waverider has more aggregate throughput than what each client individually will get because of polling. So maybe three Waverider clients running at full speed could be the same as Canopy

Re: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering

2005-08-25 Thread Jory Privett
I am in if anyone else is in Texas Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering I was told to bring this up after WiNog.

RE: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering - WISPBONE

2005-08-25 Thread Mike Bushard Jr
I'm in, Central MN Mike Bushard Jr Reliable Internet Services 1st Rate Computers -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering -

Re: [WISPA] Waverider 900 mhz throughput

2005-08-25 Thread rcomroe
Canopy claimed long and loud about real aggregate throughput. However, last February Moto put out an application note that discloses real Canopy aggregate throughput will be significantly less with short packet traffic, while claiming that real internet traffic would never be short enough to

RE: [WISPA] Waverider 900 mhz throughput

2005-08-25 Thread Charles Wu
I take it from this post regarding Canopy that the other systems you tested were not as much speed? Yes If you want to compare then let us see what you have seen for all the systems you have tested. Let's compare apples to apples. We have already done that -Charles -- WISPA Wireless

RE: [WISPA] Here's a question for the group.....

2005-08-25 Thread Charles Wu
This will make me sound like a cold-harded bastard, but generally speaking, you need to look at the numbers Say you match the price of $79 / month - for the next 10 months, that will end up costing you approximately $800 Will you be able to make that up in a longer contract term? Or will, 10

Re: [WISPA] Waverider 900 mhz throughput

2005-08-25 Thread Dylan Oliver
Great! Please do send me a private email with vendor-unfiltered results when assembled :) Best,-- Dylan OliverPrimaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] Here's a question for the group.....

2005-08-25 Thread Blair Davis
Well, our rates are quite a bit lower than that. Around here, we get $59.95 for a standard business connection, $39.95 for a standard residential connection. Special requirements can raise these prices. I have one customer paying $200 month for 128k. He was paying $400/month for ISDN. We

Re: [WISPA] Here's a question for the group.....

2005-08-25 Thread Todd Lancaster
You are very correct it that it all comes down to service. People want there hand held through everything. Im signing 10-20 customers a week at the moment to our network because we have great customer service and go the extra mile and are way competitive with DSL and Cable. And our uploads blow

Re: [WISPA] Here's a question for the group.....

2005-08-25 Thread Todd Lancaster
You are very correct it that it all comes down to service. People want there hand held through everything. Im signing 10-20 customers a week at the moment to our network because we have great customer service and go the extra mile and are way competitive with DSL and Cable. And our uploads blow

Re: [WISPA] Here's a question for the group.....

2005-08-25 Thread Todd Lancaster
You are very correct it that it all comes down to service. People want there hand held through everything. Im signing 10-20 customers a week at the moment to our network because we have great customer service and go the extra mile and are way competitive with DSL and Cable. And our uploads blow

Re: [WISPA] Here's a question for the group.....

2005-08-25 Thread Todd Lancaster
i get 100meg for 1000.00 a month. Like i said bandwidth is not my problem. I have a personal 45meg link to my house. When i run www.toast.net/performance speed tests i chuckle. Hence why i dont care giving customers the bandwidth i give them. I do monitor it closely, more so to keep stress off my

Re: [WISPA] Here's a question for the group.....

2005-08-25 Thread Todd Lancaster
I have no idea how the hell that post was posted 3 times.. I didnt do it.. anyways sorry bout that however it happened -- Thanks, Todd Lancaster Network Administrator AlwaysOn-Line LLC. http://www.alwayson-line.net Quoting Todd Lancaster [EMAIL PROTECTED]: i get 100meg for 1000.00 a month.

Re: [WISPA] Here's a question for the group.....

2005-08-25 Thread Bob Moldashel
Blair Davis wrote: Bandwidth on the availability side is not an issue. We buy bandwidth for about $20-25 per meg so that is not an issue and we have multiple provider fiber feeds to our NOC. $25 per meg? I'm at $350 per 1.5 meg! Unfortunately...customers are so sold on price

Re: [WISPA] Waverider 900 mhz throughput

2005-08-25 Thread John Scrivner
Please keep private show only emails off list unless you have data to share with the group. Scriv Charles Wu wrote: Hi Dylan, We are working on gathering all the presentations Trust me, with our testing, there is A LOT of behind the scenes wrangling (including bitching/threats from

Re: [WISPA] Taking on an investor?

2005-08-25 Thread John Scrivner
Wise words for sure. There is more than any one can do by oneself out there. The opportunities can run you broke if you chase them all. Scriv Charles Wu wrote: Just a general word of advice...the biggest pitfall/doom of most startups is not opportunity, but rather TOO MUCH opportunity...

Re: [WISPA] Here's a question for the group.....

2005-08-25 Thread Blair Davis
I wish I could get 10meg for 1000.00 a month, let alone 100meg!! Todd Lancaster wrote: i get 100meg for 1000.00 a month. Like i said bandwidth is not my problem. I have a personal 45meg link to my house. When i run www.toast.net/performance speed tests i chuckle. Hence why i dont care

Re: [WISPA] Here's a question for the group.....

2005-08-25 Thread Blair Davis
Bob Moldashel wrote: Blair Davis wrote: Bandwidth on the availability side is not an issue. We buy bandwidth for about $20-25 per meg so that is not an issue and we have multiple provider fiber feeds to our NOC. $25 per meg? I'm at $350 per 1.5 meg! Unfortunately...customers

Re: [WISPA] Here's a question for the group.....

2005-08-25 Thread Jory Privett
Where can you get bandwidth at $25 per meg I am lucky to get it for $500 per meg. Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Here's a question

Re: [WISPA] Taking on an investor?

2005-08-25 Thread Lonnie Nunweiler
Don't take this the wrong way BUT --- if you spent less time on the Internet you would soon get those people connected. Been there, done that. Lonnie On 8/25/05, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just have to find someone to do installs. I have as many waiting to be hooked up as I

Re: [WISPA] Here's a question for the group.....

2005-08-25 Thread Tom DeReggi
Do NOT let him out of the contract. Its inforceable. There was a cost to install his service, and you gave him the service two months earlier which he needed. I have clients taht have paid $1000 expedite charges so they wouldn't have to go a month without service waiting for DSL or cable. He

Re: [WISPA] Here's a question for the group.....

2005-08-25 Thread Tom DeReggi
How much do you have to buy for $25 a mb? Its not $25 a mb if you only are using 5 mbps, and you have to pay for 100mb. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jory Privett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] Taking on an investor?

2005-08-25 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
There is a problem with that. :) I am very young and don't know a lot. SO.I subscribe to about 5 lists, and read every post everyday in the BBR WISP forums. If not for that, I would not know what I know today. Remember. I have very little expenses (living with parents) I pay gas, backhaul,

Re: [WISPA] Here's a question for the group.....

2005-08-25 Thread John Thomas
Can you offer him a 12 month contract, he pays install on 5 GHz equipment? John Bob Moldashel wrote: Thanks for the reply Todd. I have a few issues that we are dealing with. First, we can't use 2.4 GHz. DS. The spectrum sucks here so there are no real economical CPE options. At present,

RE: [WISPA] Taking on an investor?

2005-08-25 Thread JohnnyO
Title: Message Brian - why pay out that $95.00 when YOU can go do the install in 2 hours time ? Heck 3 installs = 1 new install paid for Sorry - guess Im just cheap and work too much - I suppose we all grow our business differently. I worked 2 full time jobs for the 1st 8 months we

Re: [WISPA] Taking on an investor?

2005-08-25 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
Title: Message Because I have not left the "office" my living room, in 3 days because things keep coming my way. Computers, paperwork, a million calls. No customer support issues, just a million things I can't seem to catch up. And now I'm a few weeks behind on installs. I don't like being