Re: [WISPA] Trango partners

2005-11-09 Thread Tom DeReggi
I was one of the original supporters of developing channels, for better local availabilty and terms. But times have changed. Its not that I don't believe in sales channels, and loyalty between them, but loyalty needs to work both directions. The purpose of sales channels is to increase volume

Re: [WISPA] Florida job is killing me

2005-11-09 Thread Bob Moldashel
Hey!! Don't ever post a picture like this again without a warning!! I think I'm going to be scarred for life! 2 guys in a hot tub alone with alcoholHum. That's a recipe for disaster! Looks like Mike isn't taking any chances drinking that Diet Pepsi... :-P -B-

Re: [WISPA] Florida job is killing me

2005-11-09 Thread Al Grantier
hahahahah that is funny a little rub a dub - Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Florida job is killing me Hey!! Don't ever post a picture like this again

RE: [WISPA] Florida job is killing me

2005-11-09 Thread dustin jurman
That was not right! DSJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 10:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Florida job is killing me You wouldnt believe how hard we are really working

Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot

2005-11-09 Thread John Thomas
Blair, it might be a good idea to allow for 48 v powering, since that is 802.3af POE standard. This way your device could be mounted away from the Radio if one so chose to. John Blair Davis wrote: Well, I guess there is no reasonably priced unit out there that will do what I need and fit in

RE: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

2005-11-09 Thread Butch Evans
On Mon, 7 Nov 2005, Charles Wu wrote: Electricity, Gas and Water are billed on a usage basis Competitive market pressures aside, why should Internet be any different? Charles, I don't often find myself in total disagreement with your statements. I am on this point, however. Well, maybe not

Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot

2005-11-09 Thread Tom DeReggi
Sounds good. Let me know when you get em made! I like the idea of DC reboot devices over AC reboot devices anyway. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: John Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA

RE: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

2005-11-09 Thread Charles Wu
snip For example, electricity, gas and water are items that are needed for basic survival in the city. Granted, these services have not always been available, but it is expected by all Americans that if they move somewhere, they can get those services. Most people would not survive without these

Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

2005-11-09 Thread RickG
I agree with George. Internet access is practically a necessity now, especially for businesses. It wont be much longer and broadband will be expected in order to do any kind of business. It may not be for survival of your life, but certainly it will hurt you financially. On 11/9/05, Charles Wu

Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

2005-11-09 Thread Tom DeReggi
Without electricity, you are blind or get heat stroke. Without gas (propaine /natural), you freeze to death. Without water, you dehydrate or get desease (no bathing). All above things considered necessities, up there with food. People could die without them. TV, Phone, Internet on the other hand

Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

2005-11-09 Thread A. Huppenthal
Its true, Internet is an option.There are lots of people in the valley here that never want it. As to billing, paying per bit won't happen except for the Cellular companys who have per minute everything in place as it is. You'd think that since telephone service was flat rate some time ago, you

Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

2005-11-09 Thread George
Tom DeReggi wrote: TV, Phone, Internet on the other hand are luxeries, things that people rely on, but would survive if they did without. I've never seen someone die from TV/Phone/Internet with drawal, although you never know it could happen. Tom. You should rethink what you just said

Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot

2005-11-09 Thread Blair Davis
Very nice. $695?!?! I might be able to justify it in a few locations, but not for wide deployment. We are looking for something we can deploy widely Sub $100 price. Sub $70 if I can manage it -- Blair Davis West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

2005-11-09 Thread Peter R.
Actually the internet is likes roads and education. Without it, you are at a definite economic disadvantage. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot

2005-11-09 Thread Ron Wallace
Yes, Blair That does sound good, let us all know. I second the vote for DC reboot devices. Original message Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:49:43 -0500 From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sounds good.

Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

2005-11-09 Thread Butch Evans
On Wed, 9 Nov 2005, RickG wrote: I agree with George. Internet access is practically a necessity now, especially for businesses. It wont be much longer and broadband will be expected in order to do any kind of business. It may not be for survival of your life, but certainly it will hurt you

Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

2005-11-09 Thread Butch Evans
On Wed, 9 Nov 2005, Tom DeReggi wrote: MAN...where do you find the time to write so much. :-) TV, Phone, Internet on the other hand are luxeries, things that people rely on, but would survive if they did without. I've never You stated very eloquently what I was trying to say. Thanks. seen

Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

2005-11-09 Thread Butch Evans
On Wed, 9 Nov 2005, George wrote: The phone absolutely has saved lives. And people surely died that didn't get to one fast enough or could find one. I think you are missing the point, George. In the right situation, you could save a life with a roll of scotch tape. That does not mean that

Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot

2005-11-09 Thread John Thomas
DLinks POE kits take 5 volts, bump it up to 48 across the wire and drop it back down to 5 volts at the other end. They list for about $25, so I wouldn't think it should cost you too much to do. John Blair Davis wrote: John, I have considered it. My only concern was that it might increase

Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot

2005-11-09 Thread A. Huppenthal
let me know where you get them for $25 John Thomas wrote: DLinks POE kits take 5 volts, bump it up to 48 across the wire and drop it back down to 5 volts at the other end. They list for about $25, so I wouldn't think it should cost you too much to do. John Blair Davis wrote: John, I have

Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot

2005-11-09 Thread John Thomas
OK, I exaggerated, compuplus has them for $36 each. My point was that he only needs half the circuit. Now that I think of it, I guess that as long as his device takes 5-12 volts in, you would only need a power reducer to use 48 volts up. It's a lot easir to get 48 volts to go 300 feet than it

Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot

2005-11-09 Thread A. Huppenthal
That's a good price. I paid nearly $50 each. John Thomas wrote: Actually, Online Micro has the DWL-P200 for $30 and it can do 5 or 12 volts out the back. John A. Huppenthal wrote: let me know where you get them for $25 John Thomas wrote: DLinks POE kits take 5 volts, bump it up to 48

Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot

2005-11-09 Thread Blair Davis
Not quite. The D-Link POE kit has a 48VDC power block with a DC-DC step down unit at the other end. $25 doesn't sound too bad until you see the current hardware budget. :( -- John Thomas wrote: DLinks POE kits take 5 volts, bump it up to 48 across the wire and drop it back down to 5 volts

Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot

2005-11-09 Thread Blair Davis
We get them from DH for less than $30 but I don't remember the exact price off hand. -- A. Huppenthal wrote: That's a good price. I paid nearly $50 each. John Thomas wrote: Actually, Online Micro has the DWL-P200 for $30 and it can do 5 or 12 volts out the back. John A. Huppenthal

Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot

2005-11-09 Thread John Thomas
Right, my point here is that you don't need to do anything to make your system work with 48 volts. We just need to acquire a 48-12 volt convertor. John Blair Davis wrote: Not quite. The D-Link POE kit has a 48VDC power block with a DC-DC step down unit at the other end. $25 doesn't sound