[WISPA] VOIP on a shoestring

2006-01-05 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
Hello all, After a year and a half of watching, jumping in and learning about VOIP, I think I have come up with a way to implement it with a relatively low budget setup. Here is my very general outline of how to deliver VOIP on a shoestring: 1) Asterisk server with AMP (Asterisk

Re: [WISPA] 5.8Ghz Multi-point radios

2006-01-05 Thread Matt Liotta
The Tranzeo radios at least are 802.11, which we refuse to use for fixed wireless. -Matt Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Matt, I've talked to quite a few people who are looking at Tranzeo CPE/StarOS APs for 5.3/5.8Ghz multipoint deployments and have had good luck myself so far. The

Re: [WISPA] VOIP on a shoestring

2006-01-05 Thread Matt Liotta
I don't believe you will find good margins with the setup you are specifying. Additionally, you can forget about fax working, which is an absolute requirement for businesses. If anyone on this list wants to do VoIP over wireless, figure out how to do fax before committing to the business.

Re: [WISPA] 5.8Ghz Multi-point radios

2006-01-05 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
If you have already committed to that idea, then I can't really persuade you. With the exception of Canopy and some of the other specialized gear, just about everything else is 802.11 based in one way or another. Karlnet/Terabeam, Trango and even the Alvarion VL is based on 802.11 chipsets

[WISPA] Re: [WISP] Renting Spectrum Analyzers

2006-01-05 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
Anyone in love with one of these? http://www.metrictest.com/catalog/views/rental_specials.jsp?searchTerm=Spectrum%20Analyzers Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Can I get one that does 900, 2.4, and 5 gig? Who has them and how much to rent for 2 weeks to a month? -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable

Re: [WISPA] Re: [WISP] Renting Spectrum Analyzers

2006-01-05 Thread Jenco Wireless
Wow. For the rental price on some of those you can buy one from BVS Systems. I rented one (I can't remember the name but it was an expensive unit) for $250 per week from Wave Rider. If I remember right (it has been a while), it at least covered 900 and 2.4. You should probably have some

Re: [WISPA] Re: [WISP] Renting Spectrum Analyzers

2006-01-05 Thread Butch Evans
On Thu, 5 Jan 2006, Jenco Wireless wrote: Wow. For the rental price on some of those you can buy one from BVS Systems. I rented one (I can't remember the name but it was an expensive unit) for $250 per week from Wave Rider. If I remember right (it has been a while), it at least covered 900

Re: [WISPA] Re: [WISP] Renting Spectrum Analyzers

2006-01-05 Thread Dan Petermann
If you are going to climb with it, then look for something like this one: http://www.us.anritsu.com/products/ARO/North/Eng/showProd.aspx? ID=654cat=1cat2=2cat3=3cat4=0 We just got one last month or so. Works fantastic! On Jan 5, 2006, at 11:15 AM, Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Well, I would

Re: [WISPA] Re: [WISP] Renting Spectrum Analyzers

2006-01-05 Thread Jenco Wireless
You may want to look at www.bvsystems.com. Their BumbleBee unit does 900, 2.4, and 5.8. It interfaces with a PDA, so that gives you an idea of the size. I don't own one yet, but I will (hopefully) someday soon. I do have their Butterfly power meter and I wouldn't give it up for anything now

RE: [WISPA] Re: [WISP] Renting Spectrum Analyzers

2006-01-05 Thread Jeff Mabry
I prefer the Anritsu MS2721A Spectrum Master. Easy to operate, it is not bulky and does not weight very much for those tower climbs, color graphics, and quit a bit of storage for saved measurements. When in a pinch we rent from TRS out of Texas, phone 800-621-6354. They offer very good

Re: [WISPA] VOIP on a shoestring

2006-01-05 Thread Tom DeReggi
Matt Larson, I do not have adequate experience to pass judgement on your suggested configuration. However I will add, base on my recent Rant regarding Wholesale VOIP providers that don't look at small WISPs as valuable partners, I believe leveraging WISPA membership base to negotiate a good

RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL as a PtMP Platform

2006-01-05 Thread Charles Wu
Hi Matt, Can you please shed some light on your 3.65 GHz license? To my knowledge (and we work with the FCC on licensing almost on a daily basis) -- 3.65 GHz is not yet legally licensable for commercial common carrier applications -Charles --- WiNOG

RE: [WISPA] Re: [WISP] Renting Spectrum Analyzers

2006-01-05 Thread Charles Wu
Hi Brian, XL Microwave makes a spectrum analyzer that is extremely easy and simple to use It doesn't have all the add-ons that an anritsu or rhode and shwarz unit will provide, but for the normal user -- those extra buttons / knobs confuse more than anything else I believe that they have a

Re: [WISPA] VOIP / CommPartners -- bigdumbpipe providervs.end-to-endconnectivity/content provider(html formatted for easier reading)

2006-01-05 Thread Tom DeReggi
Charles, Some very good points. However, lets look at it from another angle. What message is the VOIP wholesale provider sending, with their currently mentality, for them to decide who they will and will not allow to play in the VOIP space? More or less, I consider CommPartners an RBOC

RE: [WISPA] Re: [WISP] Renting Spectrum Analyzers

2006-01-05 Thread Charles Wu
Regarding Avcom The Avcom units require extra modules to go beyond 2.4 On a tower, trying to plug-in something else is kind of a hassle From an ease of use perspective, I would recommend that you find a 1 piece spectrum analyzer...that covers all the bands You'll appreciate it when you're

Re: [WISPA] VOIP / CommPartners -- big dumb pipeprovidervs.end-to-endconnectivity/content provider (html formatted for easier reading)

2006-01-05 Thread Tom DeReggi
Blocking on the other hand IS discrimination. Well that depends how you do it and look at it. I do not believe in outright blocking completely. Allowing the call to go through in some capacity, does not hurt the consumer hard. 911 must still go through,etc. However, I pefer to suggest

Re: [WISPA] VOIP on a shoestring

2006-01-05 Thread Matt Liotta
Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Faxing was very simple to deal with - keep one line from the ILEC for faxing. That also provides a good place to route 911 requests if they come from within the system. No need to spend the resources to figure out a problem that can be easily bypassed. If you

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL as a PtMP Platform

2006-01-05 Thread Matt Liotta
This has been discussed in depth on the private WISPA list. The FCC is giving 3.65Ghz licenses for experimental purposes, which you can use to provide customers with service. However, it may not be a wise business decision to rely on experimental spectrum, which can go away at any time. -Matt

RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL as a PtMP Platform

2006-01-05 Thread Charles Wu
Yes -- experimental licenses have been available for quite some time now -- we have one =) But if you read the FCC rules closely -- there are A LOT of limitations, and no, running a business off such a license is a BAD IDEA -Charles --- WiNOG Austin, TX

Re: [WISPA] VOIP on a shoestring

2006-01-05 Thread Jeffrey Thomas
Additionally on the whole co-op idea, there are different non profits for co-op's, which wispa is not set up as. - Jeff On Jan 5, 2006, at 11:50 AM, Charles Wu wrote: Tom, Your idea is sound, but personally, I would think that what you propose falls into the same category as the WISP

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL as a PtMP Platform

2006-01-05 Thread Jeffrey Thomas
There are operators who applied for say, an experimental license with 500 subscribers testing the RF portion of the service. It is a risk, but since that spectrum is slated to be unlicensed, I doubt the risk is too great. - Jeff On Jan 5, 2006, at 12:17 PM, Charles Wu wrote: Yes --

Re: [WISPA] VOIP on a shoestring

2006-01-05 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
Comments inline: Matt Liotta wrote: If you keep a single POTS line for faxing, how do you manage the backend? You are going to get the line billed separately from your VoIP provider and you won't be able to share long distance or international across the two. Most customers expect to have

Re: [WISPA] VOIP on a shoestring

2006-01-05 Thread Mac Dearman
Part-15 is now doing the same thing that I have been at since early summer - - which is Nuvio. The only difference being that Bullet is not paying out all that he has coming in - - which is his right! I ran this across the list many months ago offering to make nothing off of someone elses VoIP

Re: [WISPA] VOIP / CommPartners -- big dumb pipeprovidervs.end-to-endconnectivity/content provider (html formatted for easier reading)

2006-01-05 Thread Tom DeReggi
Again, they should be held accountable for what they have built with PUBLIC MONEY. I also fully agree with that above statement. However, not every network operator has built their network with public money or monopoly subsidy. I personally invested close to a million dollars of my personal

Re: [WISPA] VOIP - and rants

2006-01-05 Thread Peter R.
Tom, This huge thread about CP is amazing. If you don't want to use them, or don't like their business plan. Fine. It is the same plan that Level(3) has, so I don't understand the big deal. You seem really peeved about the initial fee. How is that any different than an install fee? There are

RE: [WISPA] VOIP / CommPartners -- big dumbpipeprovidervs.end-to-endconnectivity/content provider (htmlformatted for easier reading)

2006-01-05 Thread Charles Wu
Again, they should be held accountable for what they have built with PUBLIC MONEY. IMO, it's nearly impossible to do a 1/2 and 1/2 type of model I doubt there is any service provider out there who HAS NOT benefited in some manner from PUBLIC MONEY at some time (or who would want to close the door

Re: [WISPA] VOIP on a shoestring

2006-01-05 Thread Matt Liotta
Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Perhaps we have a disconnect. I am advocating that the business continue to use ILEC or CLEC lines for their fax services. I'm not managing the backend for the fax lines for the customers that I am talking about. A large business in my area, is 10 or more

[WISPA] SonicWall Question

2006-01-05 Thread Scott Reed
I have a SonicWall Pro 2040 that keeps flashing the Test and Alarm lights. The only document I can find says that means there is a major alarm, but there is nothing in the log. Anyone know SonicWall well enough to know what this may be? Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless

RE: [WISPA] VOIP on a shoestring

2006-01-05 Thread Paul Hendry
Just out of interest, has anyone set-up VoIP peering with others in different countries for cheaper international call termination? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: 05 January 2006 21:55 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] VOIP on a shoestring

2006-01-05 Thread Matt Liotta
I have not, but would certainly be interested in doing so. -Matt Paul Hendry wrote: Just out of interest, has anyone set-up VoIP peering with others in different countries for cheaper international call termination? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [WISPA] VOIP / CommPartners -- big dumb pipeprovidervs.end-to-end connectivity/content provider (htmlformatted for easier reading)

2006-01-05 Thread Tom DeReggi
Title: Message "network operators provide free and non-discriminatory transport on their networks" This is the key phrase. This basically says that every corparate LAN, must allow any consumer to steal access from that corporation's LAN, and open up their LAN to the security threats by

Re: [WISPA] VOIP on a shoestring

2006-01-05 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
Comments inline... You are right, this solution is not 911 compliant. Neither is service from Nufone, Teliax, Voipjet, Stanaphone or hundreds of other VOIP carriers out there. The question of the degree of 911 compliance is very much up in the air right now because the FCC's

Re: [WISPA] 5.8Ghz Multi-point radios

2006-01-05 Thread Tom DeReggi
Matt, So what are you using to provide/inject MPLS support on your network? I heard there were some open source MPLS projects. Did any of them fly? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: [WISPA] VOIP / CommPartners -- big dumb pipe provider vs.end-to-end connectivity/content provider

2006-01-05 Thread Tom DeReggi
Charles, Just to be clear, we don't currently block or slow anything. We don;t technically have a VOIP service of our own yet. I'm simply debating the options. I am using Commpartners as an example, only because I had recent discussions with them this past summer, and they are fresh in my

Re: [WISPA] VOIP on a shoestring

2006-01-05 Thread Tom DeReggi
I don't agree that its the same as a Coop opportunity. A coop is to buy gear. Leveraging a membership's enrollment to help the success of the Future of WISPs, and help protect the rights of the small WISP from the is more in line with what a Union does, and I look at WISPA like a union. A

Re: [WISPA] VOIP - 911

2006-01-05 Thread Peter R.
You do understand that as a voice provider, since the FCC deemed 911 a requirement, if your service is not 911 compliant and someone dies, you can be held crimiinally liable as well as civilly liable? Regards, Peter -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:

Re: [WISPA] VOIP on a shoestring

2006-01-05 Thread Tom DeReggi
I like Nuvio's model a lot. They have a good model to help WISPs finance the equipment and they also give leads. I have my beef with Nuvio as well. They were the second partner I almost signed up with, but on that one I backed out at the final hour. Part of the problem is that I am too easilly

Re: [WISPA] VOIP - and rants

2006-01-05 Thread Tom DeReggi
Yes, but I have not ever blocked anyone. I am making hypothetical comments. However your point is well taken. level3 same plan. The differnce is Level 3 lets me know the plan upfront. Second, LEVEL3 may deserve the right to charge. Level3 is not a new startup like CommPartners. Level3 is

Re: [WISPA] 5.8Ghz Multi-point radios

2006-01-05 Thread Matt Liotta
Tom DeReggi wrote: Matt, So what are you using to provide/inject MPLS support on your network? I heard there were some open source MPLS projects. Did any of them fly? We use Cisco gear for MPLS. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:

Re: [WISPA] VOIP on a shoestring

2006-01-05 Thread Matt Liotta
Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: The requirement is there but has yet to be proven by law, or enforced. I intend to keep my voip ventures separate from my regular ISP business. If the 911 requirement for voip is proven by law, then I can either work to make it compliant according to the

RE: [WISPA] Renting Spectrum Analyzers

2006-01-05 Thread Frank
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RE: [WISPA] Katrina article

2006-01-05 Thread Mike Delp
Didn't see my credits for photography. ;) Mike Fuzzy Face Guy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 5:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Katrina article As appeared in Red Herring

Re: [WISPA] Katrina article

2006-01-05 Thread Mac Dearman
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Re: [WISPA] VOIP on a shoestring

2006-01-05 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
OK, here is the $1million dollar question...what have you done to make your VOIP service 911 compliant? Are you comfortable with your level of legal exposure? How much did it cost and what is the best way to handle it? Inquiring minds Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Matt Liotta wrote:

Re: [WISPA] VOIP on a shoestring

2006-01-05 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
Further reading https://www.stanaphone.com/index/news_Nov2205.html There is one way around the 911 requirement. Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: OK, here is the $1million dollar question...what have you done to make your VOIP service 911 compliant? Are you