RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna

2006-01-18 Thread Paul Hendry
Bob, I hear what you're saying and have been through the figures a few times and even tried turning the power of the radio cards down to 1dB output (still unable to run both links simultaneously) but this doesn't explain why others are able to use the same radio cards with similar antennas with

RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna

2006-01-18 Thread Paul Hendry
Because you’re a top bloke ;) I've been trying to track down some narrow bandwidth 5.8GHz band pass filters for some time. Any ideas on where to get some? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: 18 January 2006 09:52 To: 'WISPA

RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna

2006-01-18 Thread G.Villarini
Canopy isn’t economic viable? Hmmm you can buy SM's @ $250 or less... and now the SM lite is out around $175. It’s a tough call not to use Canopy. Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL

RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna

2006-01-18 Thread Paul Hendry
Really?? What models? We only use 5.8GHz and when we looked at Canopy in the past they where expensive and had limited throughput. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: 18 January 2006 10:53 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject:

RE: [WISPA] contact info for Patrick Leary

2006-01-18 Thread Patrick Leary
What's your number Brian? (Thanks Marlon) Patrick Leary AVP Marketing Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 *Vonage: 650.641.1243 * Goes directly to v-mail and immediately e-mails me with a number and wave file. -Original Message- From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181

Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna

2006-01-18 Thread Bob Moldashel
Paul, You may have a bad feed horn or you may have a bad radio. I would consider both before jumping off a bridge here.. Tell Radiowaves about your issue and see if you can send the feedhorns back for testing. They come right out and may be a quick test to see whats up. -B- Paul

Re: [WISPA] FW: Call your Senators: Stop SB245

2006-01-18 Thread Bob Moldashel
Charles Wu wrote: Just a thought here Is more or less regulation on facilities based providers a good or bad thing for WISPs (who are also facilities based providers) Keep in mind, supporting regulation for SBC / Comcast / whoever sets the precedent for regulation of our internal networks

RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna

2006-01-18 Thread G.Villarini
Do some shopping and you can buy SM's for about $250 or less... start at ebay, The new SM lite has a MRSP of $200 on 25 packs, usually you can get a 17 - 20 % discount from most Distributors. Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143

RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna

2006-01-18 Thread Paul Hendry
What throughput do you get on these things? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: 18 January 2006 14:50 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Do some shopping and you can buy SM's for

[WISPA] Fw: OFDM-Based Broadband Wireless Networks: Design and Optimization

2006-01-18 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
For those interested in this report. If you find out how much it is let me know. I may want to buy a copy too. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)

RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna

2006-01-18 Thread G.Villarini
We have Advantage APs , so we get 14 Mbps out of the System Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wednesday, January 18,

RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna

2006-01-18 Thread Paul Hendry
Not so sure it's that simple. I have 2 separate setups that I'm seeing this problem with so I doubt it's 4 feed horns or radios gone bad at the same time. We're in the UK and unfortunately the RadioWaves support isn't quite as good here as it obviously is over there but I'll give em a go.

[WISPA] Fw: [TVWHITESPACE] NEI petition Docket 05-345

2006-01-18 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Hi All, I suggest that WISPA support this proposal. Naturally only those who are members will count when it comes time to decide to support this or not, but I think ideas and comments from everyone would be welcome and a good idea. In a nut shell, you all know we've already been working

RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna

2006-01-18 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Are you using advanced sm's too? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:09 AM To: 'WISPA General List'

RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna

2006-01-18 Thread G.Villarini
Nop, just regular sm's Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:07 PM To: 'WISPA General

RE: [WISPA] FWD New low cost options from Motorola

2006-01-18 Thread chris cooper
Title: New low cost options from Motorola How many CPE can be supported per single base station? Ive heard some pretty chilling reports from someone that had themin production. He may not have known what to do with them however. chris Subject: [WISPA] FWD New low cost options from

Re: [WISPA] FWD New low cost options from Motorola

2006-01-18 Thread Brett Hays
Title: New low cost options from Motorola Are these just standard su's with the firmware limiting the data rate? I am not sure what they could do hardware wise to limit it. How long until some hacker cracks this scheme? - Original Message - From: chris cooper To:

Re: [WISPA] FWD New low cost options from Motorola

2006-01-18 Thread Dan Petermann
Not sure on the 900's as we just put them in the field, but on 5.7 I've got over 100 on a single AP.On Jan 18, 2006, at 6:13 AM, chris cooper wrote: How many CPE can be supported per single base station?  I’ve heard some pretty chilling reports from someone that had themin production.  He may not

RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna

2006-01-18 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
That raises a question that I have been wondering. Since your running advantage APs and non-advantage SM's do you still get 14mbps throughput on the AP but each subscriber can only receive 7mbps throughput. So your delivering 14mbps throughput to your group of associations? Or since your only

Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!!

2006-01-18 Thread Mac Dearman
Whooa - - I got a phone call yesterday from Trango that made me smile all over! Guys and Gals - - - -- hang on as we are about to enter the Twilight Zone!! Trango has some news that is gonna make all of us smile deep, long and wide!!! I am not at liberty to disclose the info - - but they

RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!!

2006-01-18 Thread G.Villarini
Mmmm they sold the company to Motorola? ...ducking... Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006

RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!!

2006-01-18 Thread danlist
Come on... they are lowering prices? Atlas will be $100 for cpe? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Whooa - - I got a phone

RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!!

2006-01-18 Thread Paul Hendry
Have they produced a product that can pass 1Gbps full-duplex with a -92 signal in a NLOS environment? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 January 2006 19:01 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!!

RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!!

2006-01-18 Thread Larry A Weidig
Go to the web site, $149 CPE. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Have they produced a product that can pass 1Gbps

RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!!

2006-01-18 Thread G.Villarini
Saw that, cool. Need more details like the form factor? Antenna included ? To what type of AP will it talk to ? regual 5830's or new Atlas AP's ? Got to love atheros chips. Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original

Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!!

2006-01-18 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
Trango Introduces New $149 WISP Subscriber Unit Lowest priced fixed wireless modem available SAN DIEGO, CA January 18, 2006 - Trango Broadband Wireless, the leader in fixed broadband wireless equipment, introduced a major addition to its product line which will enable Wireless Internet

RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!!

2006-01-18 Thread Chadd Thompson
So who is going to beta test these bad boys? I already took my turn with the link 10's and T900's -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry A Weidig Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!!

RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!!

2006-01-18 Thread Shayne Rose
lol -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chadd Thompson Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:21 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! So who is going to beta test these bad boys? I already took my turn with the link 10's

RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!!

2006-01-18 Thread G.Villarini
I did with the Atlas PTP Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chadd Thompson Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:21 PM To: 'WISPA General

RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!!

2006-01-18 Thread Paul Hendry
Never used Trango before but is that 10mbps full-duplex using both polarizations of the antennas? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: 18 January 2006 19:33 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! I did with

Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!!

2006-01-18 Thread Matt Liotta
I would also like to see more details. If it is anything like a multi-point version of their existing Atlas then it could be an interesting product. Having a connectorized 5.8Ghz multi-point AP at the Trango price point is certainly needed in the market. I only hope they drop the shitty RP-SMA

Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!!

2006-01-18 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
Well MAC.Did we find the right news? Or is there more??? Mac Dearman wrote: Whooa - - I got a phone call yesterday from Trango that made me smile all over! Guys and Gals - - - -- hang on as we are about to enter the Twilight Zone!! Trango has some news that is gonna make all of

RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!!

2006-01-18 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Hope that affects the price of everything else, at this point who would by an 802.11a cpe for $250 when you can buy a trango for $150? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!!

2006-01-18 Thread Mac Dearman
Well - I cant comment on the 900 either, but I know that their are some changes in the works there as well. That release didnt tell you all of it, but by summer you will be able to upgrade the Atlas fox units (and APs) to do OFDM! WOW MOM!!! (free too) Look out Motorpoota - - I see a

Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!!

2006-01-18 Thread Tom DeReggi
Polarities only get used individually, one or the other, software selectable on the fly. Trango radios are all Half Duplex on the RF. Ethernet ports (wired) are Full Duplex. (Note: Full duplex Ethernet Wired port does make a big difference in performance when getting flooded with small

Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!!

2006-01-18 Thread Tom DeReggi
The beauty is one CPE radio that will talk to both the 5830AP and OFDM Atlas PTMP AP. Atlas AP, wont be till next quarter, from what I understand. The new 900SU, also inexpensive, is shipping Beta this week, so its just around the corner. Tom DeReggiRapidDSL Wireless, IncIntAirNet- Fixed

Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!!

2006-01-18 Thread Travis Johnson
I agree. Can't see putting an N connector on the side of a Fox sized unit. ;) Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: drop the shitty RP-SMA connector in favor of something more robust like N. Required for FCC reuirement of unique connector rule. PErsonally Ip refer them to stay as is

Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!!

2006-01-18 Thread Travis Johnson
Mac, Did I miss something? Todd has been at Trango for less than a year. Z is the top man. Z is who made this happen, starting 5 years ago with a product called Sunstream. :) Travis Microserv Mac Dearman wrote: Why (slamming head on desk) would you continue with Motorola when them dirty

Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!!

2006-01-18 Thread Matt Liotta
Tom DeReggi wrote: Required for FCC reuirement of unique connector rule. PErsonally Ip refer them to stay as is with the connectors. That way they all stay the same and one cable to stock. There are other connectors more robust than RP-SMA; it doesn't have to be N. RP-SMA is just too small

Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!!

2006-01-18 Thread Travis Johnson
The whole idea is you mount the radio on the tower, and use a small (18 inch) pigtail. :) Travis Microserv Matt Liotta wrote: Tom DeReggi wrote: Required for FCC reuirement of unique connector rule. PErsonally Ip refer them to stay as is with the connectors. That way they all stay the

Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!!

2006-01-18 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
That's almost enough to interest me. does anyone know if these support an external antenna? That reflector is super-ugly, and without it, they don't go far enough for me. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to:

Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!!

2006-01-18 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
That information is on Trango's website... The 900 system's been talked about quite a bit... I don't think anyone's revealing anything. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot netsales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot netFast

Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!!

2006-01-18 Thread Travis Johnson
Not the $150 CPE the 900mhz beta product, etc. Some of us have known about the new 900mhz CPE for 6 months... but were asked to not share the information with the public. ;) Travis Kurt Fankhauser wrote: What are you talking about they have it posted all

Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!!

2006-01-18 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
Yeah, well, Waverider's been stringing us along for a while with promises of "superfantasticamazingthroughputdistancepowerreliabilityandperformance" too. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot netsales inquiries to: purchasing at

Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!!

2006-01-18 Thread Tom DeReggi
I think Travis was referring to the new900 product and Atlas AP, which time tables have not been publically released. He'sright, I should keep my mouth shut until Trango releases info first on their time table. Sorry, Trango. Itsjust hard tokeep quiet about good news. Tom DeReggiRapidDSL

Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!!

2006-01-18 Thread Tom DeReggi
The Reflector is one negative trait regarding Trango. When the Internal short range, and external long range foxes were two different unit, it was disappointing that the Fox only had a reflector option compared to the 5830ext. However, my opinion on that has all changed now that its just one

[WISPA] TRANGO- changes history

2006-01-18 Thread Tom DeReggi
I'm not sure if everyone really truly realizes what has just happened. It took an hour or two for it to really sink in, I think I must have been in shock. Last year when Betas were send out, they asked, how many we wanted to buy, before they shipped. This year, they just sent them, and I

Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history

2006-01-18 Thread Travis Johnson
Tom, I agree with you 100%. However, there is still much to do the 5.8ghz product was only the first step... we are currently deploying 60-70 of the 2.4ghz product per month... mainly because of the totally amazing distance (15-20 miles is a no brainer... 25-30 miles is possible with a

Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history

2006-01-18 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
Yep. 900 is what I need. 5.8.ya right. 2.4sometimes. 900...hits the spot. Travis Johnson wrote: Tom, I agree with you 100%. However, there is still much to do the 5.8ghz product was only the first step... we are currently deploying 60-70 of the 2.4ghz product per month...

Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history

2006-01-18 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
Yeah, I wondered why. Now I know. No way could they support a distributor model at these prices... North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES!

Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history

2006-01-18 Thread Travis Johnson
We have been installing Linksys / Dlink / Belkin routers at every install for almost 4 years. Customers get an "internal" wireless, we help protect them by having a firewall, and we then have a device we can monitor (with ping) to check their connection. Travis Microserv Mark Koskenmaki

RE: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history

2006-01-18 Thread Chadd Thompson
I am probably far more cynical than most but I really hope that Trango has made a turn around as a company with the latest round of changes. I tend to remember the bad things more than the good. WARNING this is a list of the BAD things!! Good things are at the bottom... I remember purchasing

[WISPA] Interested in your experience..

2006-01-18 Thread Chadd Thompson
I am looking for some feedback on the following equipment and would like to chat a bit with anyone willing to share your experience with it. Mikrotik based AP/Clients/BH any band StarOS based AP/Clients/BH any band Demarctech AP/Clients/BH any band Motorola Canopy any band Trango 2.4 Waverider

Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history

2006-01-18 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
Before I came to the WISP world, I had 13 years as a technician that had customer contact and often did technical support over the phone. I often was the guy across the counter when the customer was happy...and when he was not. I never cease to be amazed at stories of businesses with people on

RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..

2006-01-18 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
What are you using now? What are you trying to accomplish? The first 3 you list are all 802.11a/b/g the last 3 are all proprietary. There are people on this list for every different system you just described, not sure how many people have used them all. I have used StarOS, Mikrotik, and Motorola

[WISPA] TrangoLink-10 Problem

2006-01-18 Thread Mark Nash
I've got a TLink-10 MU that seems to have a problem. When the MU's opmode is set to ON, the TXPKT LED comes on immediately and does not go out. The link does not work, the RU will not connect. Anyone seen this? Firmware is latest on the Trango site at v1.11. Mark Nash Network Engineer

Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!!

2006-01-18 Thread Joe Laura
Mac, Last time I was running Trango (Immediatly following the hurricane) my clients were dropping like fly's. It was not until I scrambled to get the Canopy's in the air that I was able to keep all of my commercial clients. I hate the throughput of Canopy but at the same time I have clients up and

RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..

2006-01-18 Thread Chadd Thompson
Our network is currently made up of Raylink FHSS Trango 900 Raylink/Brilan DSSS Alvarion 900 Trango Link-10 All in all we have had pretty good luck with all of the above once the bugs were worked out. The real workhorse of our network is Raylink FHSS but we are starting to move away from it due