[WISPA] Fiber Supplier

2006-01-19 Thread Scott Reed
Where do you guys get your fiber?  Looking for single mode or multi-mode, indoor, breakout, 12 strands. Thanks. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!!

2006-01-19 Thread Matt Liotta
18 pigtails don't cut with large dishes. Further, the loss on crap coax at 5.8Ghz is quite high even with short lengths. From a shear cost perspective there is little reason to use crap coax for short pigtails. Without cost being a major factor all the benefits of using quality coax start

Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!!

2006-01-19 Thread Blair Davis
Anyone know if the Trango 5.8GHz ap's have an external antenna connection? out here, 60deg sectors on an ap are a bit small -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List:

Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history

2006-01-19 Thread Tom DeReggi
Travis, I fully agree. The 2.4Ghz product is one that we have not used yet, but one we will need to start using soon, based on the fact that we used all the 5.8 channels available at many cell sites. 5.3G is good for expanding cells if for the close in neighborhoods, but it just doesn't have

Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!!

2006-01-19 Thread Travis Johnson
Not sure what you mean. I have a 6ft dish, many 4ft dishes and over ten 3ft dishes all hooked to Trango radios using 18 pigtails. No problems. Travis Microserv Matt Liotta wrote: 18 pigtails don't cut with large dishes. Further, the loss on crap coax at 5.8Ghz is quite high even with

Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!!

2006-01-19 Thread Blair Davis
That is too bad Since my biggest tower has less than 30 users, putting 6 $1000 ap's on one tower just doesn't make sense On the other hand, putting 3 AP's with 120deg antennas on a tower is something I can justify. (just in case some one is listening) Travis Johnson wrote: No,

RE: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history

2006-01-19 Thread chris cooper
Sorry if I missed it somewhere- does this also include the 900Mhz products? chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history I'm

Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!!

2006-01-19 Thread Travis Johnson
Yup. Those were my exact words 4 years ago directly to Trango. Travis Microserv Blair Davis wrote: That is too bad Since my biggest tower has less than 30 users, putting 6 $1000 ap's on one tower just doesn't make sense On the other hand, putting 3 AP's with 120deg antennas on a

Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!!

2006-01-19 Thread Matt Liotta
Travis Johnson wrote: Not sure what you mean. I have a 6ft dish, many 4ft dishes and over ten 3ft dishes all hooked to Trango radios using 18 pigtails. No problems. Well what can I say? You must just be smarter than our technicians who have found it really difficult to mount the radio

Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!!

2006-01-19 Thread Blair Davis
If they were able to ship me some 120deg ap's in the next 30 days, I'd drop my planned Netstream 5.8GHz deployment and switch to Trango if anyone is listening :-) Travis Johnson wrote: Yup. Those were my exact words 4 years ago directly to Trango. Travis Microserv Blair Davis

RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!!

2006-01-19 Thread Larry A Weidig
I second, third this motion and have contacted Trango regarding this. I have some towers where six AP's is fine, but I have a lot more smaller locations where it is hard to justify 6 of them for a site. I certainly hope this changes so we can deploy these in smaller areas.

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2006-01-19 Thread Barry at Mutual Data
Hello Travis, Well they do if the cover comes off.. :-) Barry Thursday, January 19, 2006, 10:01:18 AM, you wrote: TJ No, they do not. I've asked for that exact thing since 2001 and original TJ 5800 AP's. I've heard there may be something coming however... ;) TJ Travis TJ Microserv TJ

RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..

2006-01-19 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Is foliage a problem in your area? Sounds like your using a lot of 900 gear. If foliage is not a problem you might want to look at 2.4 or possibly 5.7 gear. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL

RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..

2006-01-19 Thread Chadd Thompson
We have a lot of fence rows in this area so 900 is going to be a necessary evil like it or not. I tried using 5.7 Trango for a few installs early on and just couldn't get any range out of it in this area, and the noise floor is fairly high in 5.x around here. It seems like more and more people

Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history

2006-01-19 Thread Tom DeReggi
I don't think Trangos new lower price was to wipe out StarOs. IF an intent was there to wipe someone out, I'd say more likely, it would be Canopy. But I don't even think that intent was the purpose.. Giving WISPs better prices helps them grow their businesses, and compete with the commodity

RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..

2006-01-19 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
If your concerned about noise consider Motorola, it has excellent noise rejection, it only needs somewhere around 3db above the noise for your throughput. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL

Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!!

2006-01-19 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Would it be possible to have standard 802.11a support from this client? What about 5/10mhz channels? That would make this a super killer product even more then it sounds now. Personally I would pay a small fee per unit to have 11a support, 5/10mhz channels are becoming standard. Jeromie

RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..

2006-01-19 Thread danlist
Does the 3db SNR still apply when using 2X mode? I was under the impression that 2X requires 10db -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:20 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE:

RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..

2006-01-19 Thread danlist
Also that is 3db at -65dbm signal -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:20 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience.. If your concerned about noise

[WISPA] CUWiN Release 0.6.0

2006-01-19 Thread Sascha Meinrath
Hi all, With all the talk of various pros and cons of proprietary and non- networking solutions, I thought I'd mention that the CUWiN project has just released (as of yesterday) version 0.6.0 of our software. Yes, it's open source; yes, it's free (and always will be); and yes, it's mesh.

Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history

2006-01-19 Thread Tom DeReggi
Mark, Don't forget an arguement to support your position,"less components to fail.". However, not creating a clear Dmarcation point, means free support labor. Not gicing end users a device to tinker with, means they try and tinker with yours, or bother you aimlessly for support. Its all

Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!!

2006-01-19 Thread JohnnyO
Should make us all wonder why we're paying $200.00 for a cheap/crappy 802.11b CPE from the likes of Tranzeo or other vendors. I think as a company we will have to seriously take a look at this platform. My only real question is - How will it perform where Canopy is deployed in the same

Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history

2006-01-19 Thread Tom DeReggi
Chadd, Actually a very good post. And points out the other side. No body is perfect. There have been many things that have frustrated me with the gear over the years. Will the reliabilty of using the gear go up? Only time will tell that one. But patience and loyalty to a vendor for me, I

Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!!

2006-01-19 Thread Tom DeReggi
The purpose of using Trango is to NOT be 802.11a. Trango solves all the 802.11a problems, why would you take the problems back on again, after Trango solved them? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jeromie Reeves [EMAIL

Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!!

2006-01-19 Thread Tom DeReggi
 As stated a million time. Use Horizontal polarity antennas, Canopy doesn't. As long as mobile is not your goal, Trango is great platform. Tom DeReggiRapidDSL Wireless, IncIntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: JohnnyO To: WISPA General List

[WISPA] Adding Ext antennas to Trango AP

2006-01-19 Thread Tom DeReggi
This document is for adding external connectors to a Trango 900AP. However, the same process applies to the 5830AP that use the same connectors. The polarity of the internal connectors on the Trango 900 radios are as follows. The horrizontal is the top connector and the vertical is the bottom

Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history

2006-01-19 Thread Tom DeReggi
Bob, On the surfice it appears fickle, but not truthfully. Everybody wants to support distribution and their friends in distribution, in theory. But Trango's goal as a manufacturer is strictly to find ways to sell more radios. Loyalty end there for any manufacturer from what I;ve seen. The

[WISPA] EarthLink Chooses Moto for Muni Wireless Networks

2006-01-19 Thread Peter R.
http://www.telecommagazine.com/techzones/services/article.asp?HH_ID=AR_1619 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

[WISPA] 5.8Ghz H-Pol Omni's ????

2006-01-19 Thread Bo Hamilton
Anyone know where I can get a 5.8Ghz (Tri-Band is better) H-POL Omni? I have looked but can't find any. Do they make such an animal? Thanks, Bo Hamilton NCOWireless.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:

Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!!

2006-01-19 Thread Jeffrey Thomas
Because in 6 months, you will be able to buy a Wimax Cpe for 200 bucks. - Jeff On Jan 18, 2006, at 4:22 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Hope that affects the price of everything else, at this point who would by an 802.11a cpe for $250 when you can buy a trango for $150? Kurt Fankhauser

Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history

2006-01-19 Thread Jenco Wireless
I was a HUGE Trango basher on another list. I had the water problems with the 5830 units. I can say that after making me mad as hell in the past, they do seem to have made improvements. They repaired some of my old (out of warranty) units at no charge and even sent me a rebate for one that they