Re: [WISPA] It's been a long road

2006-02-03 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
- Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] It's been a long road Last time I checked, the USDA and other government organizations do not care whether you guys want

Re: [WISPA] It's been a long road

2006-02-03 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
- Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] It's been a long road Sorry to answer my own post but it is late and I read this and thought my message may have not

Re: [WISPA] It's been a long road

2006-02-03 Thread Blair Davis
Of course taxes are coming. Form 477 is how they will know who to go after when we are forced to collect for the USF. And I don't see why they should be able to tax me for the USF anyway. I built my network with my own money. Unlike the ILEC's. No government money or assistance here.

Re: [WISPA] It's been a long road

2006-02-03 Thread Blair Davis
That's right. I have done it. And in a rural area where most of the high density areas have cable or dsl. Kurt Fankhauser wrote: You sound like some democrat living in suburbia, gimmie gimmie gimmie, I want all this free money but don't want to pay taxes. You can build a successful WISP

Re: [WISPA] It's been a long road

2006-02-03 Thread Blair Davis
For some reason, the list server clipped off the first line of my message. This is a re-send. Of course taxes are coming. Form 477 is how they will know who to go after when we are forced to collect for the USF. And I don't see why they should be able to tax me for the USF anyway. I

[WISPA] non-grid power

2006-02-03 Thread Matt Liotta
Just wondering what others have done for non-grid power options at towers. We are thinking solar is the way to go, but since we have never done anything like this I wanted to check with others. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:

Re: [WISPA] non-grid power

2006-02-03 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, We have one site that is non-grid power. I wish we had never installed there. We have now invested over $10,000 just in solar panels, wind turbine, battery banks, charge controllers, etc. to keep things running. It's working much better now than when we started a few years ago with this

RE: [WISPA] It's been a long road

2006-02-03 Thread chris cooper
Blair- We are in a mostly rural area. The city has cable and Dsl. What type of penetration are you getting out in rural areas? Do you have any ideas what type of household incomes your rural customers have? $199 install would make most of our customers choke I think. What MRC

Re: [WISPA] non-grid power

2006-02-03 Thread John Thomas
What are you powering? I am planning on spending about $40,000 to power my whole house off-grid.. John Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, We have one site that is non-grid power. I wish we had never installed there. We have now invested over $10,000 just in solar panels, wind turbine, battery

Re: [WISPA] non-grid power

2006-02-03 Thread Travis Johnson
Currently powering four Trango radios @ 24v with about 3A draw total. The problem is the draw is 24 hours per day, so it adds up. The other problem is the location is at 9,000ft elevation and currently has over 10feet of snow. :( Travis John Thomas wrote: What are you powering? I am

Re: [WISPA] It's been a long road

2006-02-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Mark, When in business one of the first things you have to do is deal with reality not the ramblings of a piece of fiction! If this *fictional* piece of work is enough to make you want to bail, they you should get out and get a real job. Heck, I'd even go so far as to say that if you

Re: [WISPA] non-grid power

2006-02-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
The best is a mix of solar and wind. I know of some that use propane too. I've never done it either though :-) Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)

Re: [WISPA] Sample Lease Agreement for Roof Rights

2006-02-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
http://odessaoffice.com/wireless/ Right hand side. Sample Documents. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!

Re: [WISPA] ATT slashes DSL price under $15

2006-02-03 Thread Mac Dearman
Through a promotion, ATT has again cut its DSL price to $12.99 per month for the first 12 months in an attempt to aggressively woo potential customers as an alternative to cable companies. After a one-year contract, the price increases to $29.99. ATT also cut its mid-tier DSL offering to

RE: [WISPA] It's been a long road

2006-02-03 Thread chris cooper
It might be a hard sell to get folks out to the polls for an issue like this. Now if you could maybe spin it something like this - two radios with the same type of connectors want to live in the same enclosure and have access to the exact same power that other radios do- then maybe you might get

Re: [WISPA] It's been a long road

2006-02-03 Thread Tom DeReggi
The problem is, it costs what it costs, and can you take the risk of financing your customer, in a competitive enviroment, where you could loose the client on any given day to competitors? Its not worth the risk to me. Another way to approach the problem is the give free install, but make

Re: [WISPA] It's been a long road

2006-02-03 Thread Tom DeReggi
The fiction is not a reason to bail. The fiction is a great tool to demonstrate why we need to be on our toes and not taking NOT lobbying lightly. We need to stay active, so that Fiction doesn;t become reality. Its not so far from possible. This work of Fiction, is a fantastic example of why

Re: [WISPA] ATT slashes DSL price under $15

2006-02-03 Thread Tom DeReggi
What Cox had done in my market is start giving away Basic cable FREE with broadband for $19 a month for first 6 months. It all boils down to the wire. ONce its there everything else is jsut gravy on top, if there is no obligation to support it. What will be interesting is to see how happy

Re: [WISPA] ATT slashes DSL price under $15

2006-02-03 Thread Peter R.
The thinking is that everyone wants to do huge numbers. Well, reality is a whole other thing. Even if you could price it at $14.77, you still couldn't do the volume to make it. (The lack of advertising for one). Quick story: guy in Ky was selling DSl for $39.95, same as BST. He had 32

Re: [WISPA] non-grid power

2006-02-03 Thread JohnnyO
We use Wind and Solar power to provide juice for 2 Routerboards and 1 orthogon link.. Also have a huge bank of batteries. Contact Mark Koskmaki - he's your guy to hire to engineer your system. On Fri, 2006-02-03 at 10:52 -0500, Matt Liotta wrote: Just wondering what others have done

RE: [WISPA] non-grid power

2006-02-03 Thread Paul Hendry
What sort of solar panels are needed to run that little lot? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JohnnyO Sent: 03 February 2006 20:14 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-grid power We use Wind and Solar power to provide juice for 2

Re: [WISPA] It's been a long road

2006-02-03 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
I paid my Dues. Tom DeReggi wrote: The fiction is not a reason to bail. The fiction is a great tool to demonstrate why we need to be on our toes and not taking NOT lobbying lightly. We need to stay active, so that Fiction doesn;t become reality. Its not so far from possible. This work of

Re: [WISPA] ATT slashes DSL price under $15

2006-02-03 Thread Tom DeReggi
Peter, You made an EXCELLENT point. The reason an ISP has a low number of subscribers is rarely because the sell price. Providers just assume that when they aren't growing fast, and are aware of lower priced competitors. Marketing is a much bigger factor to determine rate of customer growth.

Re: [WISPA] It's been a long road

2006-02-03 Thread Tom DeReggi
I have no idea if I paid my dues. Its an accounting research task to find out. Does WISPA have a way to provide that info easilly to their subscribers? In other words a billing or subscription tracking system, to notify members when amounts due? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet-

Re: [WISPA] It's been a long road

2006-02-03 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
- Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] It's been a long road Of course they are. Anyone that thinks they can be untaxed in any modern

Re: [WISPA] It's been a long road

2006-02-03 Thread John Scrivner
You paid your dues on June 30, 2005. If you ever have a question you can just ask me or email Dori Crow at [EMAIL PROTECTED] We send invoices out when dues are ready for payment. Scriv Tom DeReggi wrote: I have no idea if I paid my dues. Its an accounting research task to find out. Does

[WISPA] Ted Currie

2006-02-03 Thread John Scrivner
Sorry to do this on list but we have a WISPA member named Ted Currie that we do not have a valid email address for. He is a paid member and we do not know how to contact him directly via email. Ted if you could be so kind as to go to http://signup.wispa.org and fill out the form there I would

Re: [WISPA] It's been a long road

2006-02-03 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
- Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] It's been a long road Mark, I know what you think about the government and that it will not change. I am no different

Re: [WISPA] It's been a long road

2006-02-03 Thread lists
Mark, While I can appreciate the perspective that you are coming from in your desire to not fill out the Form 477, I think you are completely off base. This is an information gathering form, not an invitation to regulation. Government needs information to put together policy. If we can't

Re: [WISPA] It's been a long road

2006-02-03 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
- Original Message - From: lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] It's been a long road Mark, While I can appreciate the perspective that you are coming from in your desire to not fill out the

Re: [WISPA] It's been a long road

2006-02-03 Thread David E. Smith
Mark Koskenmaki wrote: When they ask you for your customer's address and IP numbers, what will you do? I see you're NOT wearing the tinfoil hat. Y'know, it works better than you might think. :D Our freedom to do business unimpeded. You mean you live somewhere without specific chunks of