Re: [WISPA] FCC Form requirement

2006-02-06 Thread Bob Moldashel
Hmm That response sounds framiliar :-) -B- Rudy Worrell wrote: Gents and fellow concerned WISP operators. I had the same questions most of you have regarding FCC form 477. I went directly to the source as you will see below. I got an answer and it is stated below. At this

Re: [WISPA] FCC Form requirement

2006-02-06 Thread John Scrivner
Rudy Worrell wrote: I don't have the answers but we should now think of a few things that come to mind as we move forward. 1.) Security to this list (my customers can join along with anyone else) Paid WISPA Principle Members have a members only list server called [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is

Re: [WISPA] To Break the Law or Not to Break the Law...That is theQuestion

2006-02-06 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
- Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] To Break the Law or Not to Break the Law...That is theQuestion Scott Reed wrote: font size=2I must be missing something

Re: [WISPA] FCC Form requirement

2006-02-06 Thread Rudolph Worrell
John, Thank you for the response. I am hoping that everyone including myself will pony up be a paid member. My issue is simply not having the time. Installer,CEO,support, tower engineer, and I am sure you know the rest. I know we all work but is there anyone out there with some free time

Re: [WISPA] Need Cisco Switch ASAP

2006-02-06 Thread John Scrivner
I'm glad you are all OK. You saw what is known as Ball Lightning. Did you guys have an urge to listen to Jerry Lee Lewis' Great Balls of Fire when that happened? Here is an excerpt from a quick Google I did on Ball Lightning: BALL LIGHTNING does not look like lightning. Instead, it usually

Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST OT amps and volts

2006-02-06 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
Can I get your cell? Blair Davis wrote: Brian, Call me monday, but too many volts is what kills electronics. Blair Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I'm a little confused here. I'm working on a 300 ft run of cat5 and have a question. The radio is acting sparatic. The power supply has already

Re: [WISPA] NOT OFFLIST OT amps and volts

2006-02-06 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
Hehe (offlist) right! Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Can I get your cell? Blair Davis wrote: Brian, Call me monday, but too many volts is what kills electronics. Blair Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I'm a little confused here. I'm working on a 300 ft run of cat5 and have a question. The radio

Re: [WISPA] FCC Form requirement

2006-02-06 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
- Original Message - From: Rudolph Worrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 7:15 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Form requirement John, Thank you for the response. I am hoping that everyone including myself will pony up be

[WISPA] 2006 Board Election: Balloting

2006-02-06 Thread David E. Smith
The 2006 WISPA Board election will start tomorrow at 9am (Central time), and run through Wednesday, 9am (Central time). I just mailed out ballots to all paid WISPA members. Please don't lose them, you will need these ballots to vote tomorrow. If you think you should have received a ballot,

Re: [WISPA] To Break the Law or Not to Break theLaw...That is theQuestion

2006-02-06 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
OK, I can't take this anymore Guys, you all already pay taxes, have phone numbers, business licenses etc. It's not like anyone that wants to cause trouble can't find ya easlily enough. I came up with the most common 4 questions that have been asked here and shot them off to Ellen at the

[WISPA] Gigabit wireless ptp

2006-02-06 Thread robert maier
Hello everyoneHas anybody used anygigabit wireless products for a customer, and if so what brand did you go with. Can you tell me some details of the link itself and ease of install, I'am assuming this is UNII Band Please contact offlist atRob Maier [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1-941-914-2110

Re: [WISPA] Gigabit wireless ptp

2006-02-06 Thread John Scrivner
The gigabit wireless products are not UNII. They are unlicensed 60 Ghz and licensed 70 to 90 Ghz millimeter wave band radios. I have not used these but others have with success. Some common brands are: Gigabeam Bridgewave Terrabeam This is comparable to Free Space Optics in that there are some

Re: [WISPA] Farmers Wanting full Farm Coverage

2006-02-06 Thread Ross Cornett
Yes He has consider it, but I am not a fan of the phone company But, it is a solution. Thanks. - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 2:49 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Farmers Wanting full Farm

Re: [WISPA] To Break the Law or Not to Break theLaw...That is theQuestion

2006-02-06 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
http://rcrnews.com/news.cms?newsId=25545 What do you think Mark? Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

[WISPA] Good news and bad news today

2006-02-06 Thread Brian Webster
Well, it does not surprise me that the government has decided to tax the unlicensed spectrum. Today the Bush administration announced a plan to tax Wi-Fi and other unlicensed spectrum. It is not clear how they will do it yet but the process is in motion. That's the bad news, the good news is they

Re: [WISPA] Good news and bad news today

2006-02-06 Thread Blair Davis
Now we know why they want the 477 forms. Brian Webster wrote: Well, it does not surprise me that the government has decided to tax the unlicensed spectrum. Today the Bush administration announced a plan to tax Wi-Fi and other unlicensed spectrum. It is not clear how they will do it yet but

RE: [WISPA] Good news and bad news today

2006-02-06 Thread Rudy Worrell
Time to organize troops... Nuff said! Who's got lead? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 6:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good news and bad news today Now we

Re: [WISPA] Good news and bad news today

2006-02-06 Thread John Scrivner
How about if we propose to the Congress that they allow a per base station license to be paid annually for broadband use that gives first in rights to those who launch broadband in a given geography in the channel registered for each base station? Then everyone would have the ability to have

Re: [WISPA] Good news and bad news today

2006-02-06 Thread John Scrivner
Sorry to reply to my own post here but I forgot one important part of this I meant to include. Under this policy we would suggest that unlicensed spectrum would remain absolutely free of charges. The fees would only apply to all un-auctioned whitespace in all bands across the entire radio

Re: [WISPA] Good news and bad news today

2006-02-06 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
I like the idea of offering to be taxed for something in exchange. This way at least we get something WE VALUE instead of settling for something stupid later on. I've been playing a lot of poker lately. First to act usually wins the pot. Let's try acting first. Always reacting sucks.

Re: [WISPA] Good news and bad news today

2006-02-06 Thread Bob Moldashel
Interesting how the 5 Ghz spectrum gets resolved right after they come up with the taxing idea. And one needs to wonder who came up with the great idea of taxing unlicensed spectrum. It surely wasn't George hyimself. -B- Brian Webster wrote: Well, it does not surprise me that the

Re: [WISPA] Good news and bad news today

2006-02-06 Thread Rick Smith
yeah, how about allowing any wattage on ptmp links in exchange for the tax, THAT i'd like. Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I like the idea of offering to be taxed for something in exchange. This way at least we get something WE VALUE instead of settling for something stupid later on. I've been

Re: [WISPA] Good news and bad news today

2006-02-06 Thread John Scrivner
If I read this right it does not specifically mention unlicensed spectrum but does refer to spectrum not already auctioned which could mean whitespace. We probably have a chance to spin this to our advantage unless you guys all would rather just bitch and moan. Scriv Bob Moldashel wrote:

Re: [WISPA] Good news and bad news today

2006-02-06 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
Ha. I reread my post. I don't want to be taxed out of business, but a few pennies *right* here or there in exchange for the right thing might be worth it. Rick Smith wrote: yeah, how about allowing any wattage on ptmp links in exchange for the tax, THAT i'd like. Brian Rohrbacher

Re: [WISPA] Good news and bad news today

2006-02-06 Thread Bob Moldashel
Ok...Here is a quote from the story.. WASHINGTON-President Bush, facing a huge budget deficit, today proposed squeezing more money from the nation's airwaves by supporting legislative changes that would allow the Federal Communications Commission to set user fees on un-auctioned radio

Re: [WISPA] Good news and bad news today

2006-02-06 Thread Travis Johnson
I would have to agree. Any new spectrum would be taxable. I would be ok with that, if it meant new spectrum. Travis Microserv John Scrivner wrote: If I read this right it does not specifically mention unlicensed spectrum but does refer to spectrum not already auctioned which could mean

Re: [WISPA] Good news and bad news today

2006-02-06 Thread Jeromie Reeves
I do not want to pay tax on the current part-15 spectrum. I find it unfair to change the rules half way into a game. How about opening new part-15 spectrum with those rules. Someone said to give first right of way to the first operator on a specific channel. This is a bad idea for the current

Re: [WISPA] Good news and bad news today

2006-02-06 Thread Rudolph Worrell
This is a good thought to get something out of the deal. I really think that we need access to utility easments. Imagine putting an AP everywhere the cable and phone company aggregates thier fiber/wires etc. Imagine being able to put an AP on or near a stop sign or anywhere you deem

Re: [WISPA] Good news and bad news today

2006-02-06 Thread Rudolph Worrell
Hey no pun intended but who is the guy that gets to say I told you so? -- Quoting Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Well...They sure couldn't have timed it any better. Now we will see how many people file. 24 Hours ago i would have said this never would have occured. Now.Well...Let

Re: [WISPA] Good news and bad news today

2006-02-06 Thread Rudolph Worrell
Good one. On a serious note though we need to get the membership up to do any of this. To the powers that be can I help in ramping up support. I could dedicate a resouce to call you sorry sons like myself and take your money :). Quoting John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If I read this

Re: [WISPA] Good news and bad news today

2006-02-06 Thread Rudolph Worrell
Mac, I am with you. We need to be very aware but also plan and propose so that we are not spoken for in an ill way. One thing that would really help here and on the paid side of things is to have clear goals, leadership, and direction. Quoting Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I say

Re: [WISPA] To Break the Law or Not toBreak theLaw...That is theQuestion

2006-02-06 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
A bad idea. The only way it can be enforced is to tax makers of unlicensed equipment, they would have to register and serialized every device in order to be taxed. I doubt this will go anywhere. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net

Re: [WISPA] Good news and bad news today

2006-02-06 Thread Jeromie Reeves
This sounds allot like what Mark K was talking about. WISPA needs to find out what the deal is and (imo) fight any taxing on license free bands. P-15 spectrum built the wisp industry as it is today and people need it so it can build the next wave of wispdom. Taxes will make RD money dry up and

Re: [WISPA] Good news and bad news today

2006-02-06 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Right of Way access is available to anyone right now. Ask your local city/county for the ROW contracts that they have with the gas, cable, telco, electric, and others. Jeromie Reeves Rudolph Worrell wrote: This is a good thought to get something out of the deal. I really think that we need

Re: [WISPA] Good news and bad news today

2006-02-06 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
How could anyone enforce a user fee on ISM bands? There are countless millions of devices in use, and tracking down and enforcing thier use would be an absurd proposition. Taxing equipment that uses it would be the most likely, but even that has issues. I don't think they're intending to tax

[WISPA] Look for climbers

2006-02-06 Thread Sam Coyl
Netrepid is looking to hire skilled tower climbers with experience in microwave systems. Positions are full time and company offers benefits and per diem. Work is in the PA area. If interested please contact me at the following email address. Thanks. Sam Coyl Vice President, Business Development

Re: [WISPA] To Break the Law or Not toBreak theLaw...That is theQuestion

2006-02-06 Thread Bob Moldashel
I tend to agree. I think this thing will hit a dead end. My only concern is that they will only tax people using it for commercial use, not personal. Thenits an uphill battle. -B- Mark Koskenmaki wrote: A bad idea. The only way it can be enforced is to tax makers of unlicensed

Re: [WISPA] To Break the Law or Not to Break theLaw...That is theQuestion

2006-02-06 Thread ccooper
It's unclear whether the user fee tax would be paid by equipment vendors or end users The above quote from the article leads me to believe that this idea is half-baked at best. What happens to the myriad of devices already out there in people's homes? Forget about what we do for a moment. The

Re: [WISPA] Good news and bad news today

2006-02-06 Thread Tom DeReggi
First, the rcrnews feed is meaningless. It lacked all detail and clarity, to understand what it meant. Second, It is impairative that existing Unlicensed Spectrum NEVER get taxed, and that users and providers of it, NEVER get taxed. Unlicensed spectrum belongs to the people. Whn I charge a

Re: [WISPA] Good news and bad news today

2006-02-06 Thread Tom DeReggi
There is no evidence that the 5.4Ghz spectrum issue is resolved, but it sure was convenient for them to through it out there as hope, to reduce the repercusions of the proposed TAXes. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From:

Re: [WISPA] Good news and bad news today

2006-02-06 Thread John Scrivner
I think you and I said the same thing with one exception. Due to difficulty in tracking per user per megahertz I think it would be simpler to just have a per base station fee. The fee could be scaled by the amount (Mhz) of spectrum used in the base station. This would only be for new spectrum

Re: [WISPA] Good news and bad news today

2006-02-06 Thread Tom DeReggi
I HIGHLY recommmend that the WISP industry pitch support for charging fees or taxes to providers that use TV WHITE SPACE. We need that more than anything, as its the most valuable spectrum left. The chances of us getting it today, are null and slim, from what I see. An offer from the WISP

Re: [WISPA] Good news and bad news today

2006-02-06 Thread Tom DeReggi
It would grandfather all existing devices. And charge manufacturers for all future production runs. Or they could charge a tax in retail stores similar to sales tax, called broadband equipment tax. Aren't they already taxing broadband equipment, sale tax. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc

Re: [WISPA] Good news and bad news today

2006-02-06 Thread Tom DeReggi
The last thing we want to do is have the tax hidden from the public, in the WISPs payables. Consumers won;t understand why we have to raide our prices to cover it. If its a tax that goes on our invoice, we jsutrefer them to their senator to complain. If its a tax on the bill to the custoemr, we

Re: [WISPA] Good news and bad news today

2006-02-06 Thread Tom DeReggi
Be aware that WISP's businesses will retain the largest value, if further spectrum is NOT allocated. When their is a shortage, our preferred early entry into the game to more advantageously get away using the existing spectrum, makes our assets more valuable. Better spectrum protection in

Re: [WISPA] Good news and bad news today

2006-02-06 Thread Tom DeReggi
They can't. So it means they will tax every ISP that claims that they use it. They will tax our revenue not the users. And it will mean the for profit providers will take the burden isntead of the hundreds of backyard companies degrading the value of offering broadband. Taxing will incourage

Re: [WISPA] Good news and bad news today

2006-02-06 Thread Mac Dearman
I have complete confidence in our leadership thus far and remember that we are an infant organization. I think with the election tomorrow and continued support from those who are going into office we are well on our way to having a jam up jelly good organization. I know the heart of every

Re: [WISPA] Good news and bad news today

2006-02-06 Thread John Scrivner
Why would we want to have future bands hindered by bad policy? It will not be just new entrants who use it. It will more likely be existing WISPs who jump to gain better spectrum to add onto the systems they already have. I say we ask for existing bands which are unlicensed to be left free and

Re: [WISPA] Good news and bad news today

2006-02-06 Thread Tom DeReggi
The problem is that I do not like plans that require the payment of money in advance of collection of money for service provided. So allthough paying a fee per AP site, may very well be one of the only reasonable ways to successfully develop a solution, I'd prefer there to be a solution that is

Re: [WISPA] Good news and bad news today

2006-02-06 Thread Tom DeReggi
mac, How about we have a march in DC up the steps to the FCC's offices all the while surfing the net and sending I proposed such a thing around the time of ISPCON in DC (Baltimore) this year. (Do they trade show, and MArch the same week). Although the show would have been supportive, the

Re: [WISPA] Good news and bad news today

2006-02-06 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Can you explain how it is not available? Yes the insurance is killer. Jeromie Reeves Bob Moldashel wrote: Jeromie Reeves wrote: Right of Way access is available to anyone right now. Ask your local city/county for the ROW contracts that they have with the gas, cable, telco, electric, and