RE: [WISPA] Flawed Spectrum Analysis (I think!)

2006-02-10 Thread Cliff Leboeuf
Thanks for all of the feedback. For clarification, the LMR400 cable was 140 feet and was the only cable that connected the analyzer to the antenna. I am familiar with the IDU and ODU configuration of the Redline equipment. This test was to see what 5.8 RF was present. The

RE: [WISPA] Flawed Spectrum Analysis (I think!)

2006-02-10 Thread JohnnyO
I think what you thought was RG6 was actually RG59 - Redline is a pretty clean platform so I don't think too many issues will arise from the deployment of that platform in your area. JohnnyO On Fri, 2006-02-10 at 07:31 -0600, Cliff Leboeuf wrote: Thanks for all of the feedback.

Re: [WISPA] MikroTik 5.8GHz Radio cards and settings.

2006-02-10 Thread Blair Davis
Tom, The first batch of SR5 cards had a problem with their mmxc port.  Low or no output when selected.  The u.fl port was said to be ok. If you don't mind, why would you use amps with a 400mW radio card?  I'd expect you to be overloading the input on the amps and making all kinds of

Re: [WISPA] Flawed Spectrum Analysis (I think!)

2006-02-10 Thread Bob Moldashel
AUGH! This whole thread.. Some have touched on pieces of it but how about this summary.. The Redline is a two piece radio. It does not send 5 Ghz up the cable. It sends an IF frequency which is lower and more forgiving as well as power to operate the outdoor unit. The

RE: [WISPA] BPSK QAM16 DSSS interference

2006-02-10 Thread Dustin Jurman
Tom, There are always several ways to skin that cat! Well the larger antenna would certainly allow you to decrease your back lobe and increase power and the size of your ear. If the problem is interference at your site, a lot of this is going to depend on how your site is built, length of

RE: [WISPA] Flawed Spectrum Analysis (I think!)

2006-02-10 Thread Dustin Jurman
If the spectrum analyzer is left in place for a period of time and setup with peak hold you will quickly find that radio that is used at the end of the day. It still speaks, handshakes and more. Just setting up big shots and blowing people out is bad business for everyone. If the customer wants

Re: [WISPA] Flawed Spectrum Analysis (I think!)

2006-02-10 Thread Bob Moldashel
Dustin Jurman wrote: If the spectrum analyzer is left in place for a period of time and setup with peak hold you will quickly find that radio that is used at the end of the day. It still speaks, handshakes and more. I don't know about you but I'm not about to leave a spectrum analyzer

Re: [WISPA] Flawed Spectrum Analysis (I think!)

2006-02-10 Thread robert maier
I think you hit the nail on the headBob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AUGH!This whole thread..Some have touched on pieces of it but how about this summary..The Redline is a two piece radio. It does not send 5 Ghz up the cable. It sends an IF frequency which is lower and

RE: [WISPA] Flawed Spectrum Analysis (I think!)

2006-02-10 Thread Dustin Jurman
Takes no more than a few minutes to perform a peak hold Bob, maybe you should get one and play with it a bit. It's a very powerful tool and I think your opinion will change. I agree that we have two different schools of thought. 1. Plan the play, play the plan. 2. Show up for the game.

RE: [WISPA] Flawed Spectrum Analysis (I think!)

2006-02-10 Thread Cliff Leboeuf
Dustin, thanks for the encouraging support of my efforts. Since we have been hired for part of this project, I believe it is my RESPONSIBILITY to point out any known issues to the customer; and, it is my responsibility to back up my concerns with hard date, not just 'my feelings.' In the event

Re: [WISPA] Flawed Spectrum Analysis (I think!)

2006-02-10 Thread Bob Moldashel
Dustin Jurman wrote: Takes no more than a few minutes to perform a peak hold Bob, maybe you should get one and play with it a bit. It's a very powerful tool and I think your opinion will change. LOL.Trust me. I know all about peak hold. And my opinion doesn't change. I

Re: [WISPA] Flawed Spectrum Analysis (I think!)

2006-02-10 Thread Bob Moldashel
Cliff Leboeuf wrote: Dustin, thanks for the encouraging support of my efforts. Since we have been hired for part of this project, I believe it is my RESPONSIBILITY to point out any known issues to the customer; and, it is my responsibility to back up my concerns with hard date, not just 'my

Re: [WISPA] Flawed Spectrum Analysis (I think!)

2006-02-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
I totally agree with Dustin here. Hanging them without looking first is akin to running a stop sign. You'll probably be fine, most of the time. But.. It doesn't take long to look. Bob's right, things can and almost always do get missed. Dustin is also right though, one should find

Re: [WISPA] Flawed Spectrum Analysis (I think!)

2006-02-10 Thread Bob Moldashel
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: I totally agree with Dustin here. Hanging them without looking first is akin to running a stop sign. You'll probably be fine, most of the time. But.. It doesn't take long to look. Bob's right, things can and almost always do get missed.

Re: [WISPA] Flawed Spectrum Analysis (I think!)

2006-02-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
- Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Flawed Spectrum Analysis (I think!) Cliff Leboeuf wrote: Dustin, thanks for the encouraging support of my efforts.

RE: [WISPA] Flawed Spectrum Analysis (I think!)

2006-02-10 Thread Cliff Leboeuf
Bob, I understand you comments and totally agree. They have been informed that any analysis is just a 'snapshot' of the conditions at the time takes. Just like a picture from a camera. Thanks again, Cliff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf

Re: [WISPA] Flawed Spectrum Analysis (I think!)

2006-02-10 Thread JohnnyO
On Fri, 2006-02-10 at 10:17 -0500, Bob Moldashel wrote: Dustin Jurman wrote: If the spectrum analyzer is left in place for a period of time and setup with peak hold you will quickly find that radio that is used at the end of the day. It still speaks, handshakes and more. I don't know

[WISPA] Re: [isp-wireless] Congress Is Rewriting the Broadband Laws in 2006

2006-02-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Good catch Jack! Here's the letter I just sent to my congresswoman: Dear Congresswoman McMorris, As a long time (nearly a decade now) Internet Service Provider and founding board member of the Wireless Internet Service Provider's Association (www.wispa.org) I would like to talk with you or

[WISPA] SuperRange2 Info

2006-02-10 Thread Jason
List, Can someone tell me if the output power of the SuperRange2 card can be adjusted to any power output or just predetermined discrete levels, ie, 50mw, 100mw, 200mw.? If only discrete levels, what are they? I can't find web documentation for the SR2 anywhere. Lastly, is there a

[WISPA] service contract prices

2006-02-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Hi All, I've been asked to provide a network for a complex of buildings. They like the ease of deployment and flexibility of a Trango based network. I'll lock them into a 3 year contract that will match the time frame I'll need for a bank loan for the hardware. I'll need to put in 3 ap's

RE: [WISPA] service contract prices

2006-02-10 Thread Cliff Leboeuf
Marlon, A you going to keep ownership of the equipment and just provide them with a connectivity solution; or, are you going to pass ownership to them and just maintain the system for them? - Cliff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon

RE: [WISPA] SuperRange2 Info

2006-02-10 Thread Rick Harnish
http://resources.mini-box.com/online/Super%20Range%202%20miniPCI/Super%20Ran ge%202%20miniPCI-specs.pdf You will have to convert dB to mW http://my.athenet.net/~multiplx/cgi-bin/dbconv.main.cgi -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason

Re: [WISPA] service contract prices

2006-02-10 Thread JohnnyO
I would strongly suggest looking at Mikrotik for the following reasons. #1 - Pricing - very inexpensive to maintain and swap out equipment in the event of a failure #2 - You can provide them up to 36meg connectivity for the same pricing anyone can offer then 10megs #3 - Ease of replacements

Re: [WISPA] service contract prices

2006-02-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
The system will be mine. But by the time it gets pulled out it's likely to be pretty obsolete. Equipment costs will be handled separately from the service contract. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting

Re: [WISPA] service contract prices

2006-02-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Hiya Johnny, This is a casino. The security and reliability requirements rule out any 802.11 type gear. Marlon(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net

RE: [WISPA] service contract prices

2006-02-10 Thread G.Villarini
Why 3 APs ? Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 3:03 PM To: [EMAIL

Re: [WISPA] service contract prices

2006-02-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Need coverage in 3 different directions. And trango ap's only come with 60* sectors. Plus, they'll likely put in some video surveillance and that will need lots of capacity so we're heading off any likely bw issues. Marlon(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting

RE: [WISPA] service contract prices

2006-02-10 Thread G.Villarini
1 suggestion, Last Mile Gear Canopy Advantage Omni Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Friday,

Re: [WISPA] service contract prices

2006-02-10 Thread John Scrivner
$40 to $80 per location per month should do the trick. My old High School is doing this with me and I am charging $250 per month contract to service about 6 buildings. They get connectivity every place they want and I get a monthly fee to keep it running. By the way, I retain ownership of all

Re: [WISPA] service contract prices

2006-02-10 Thread Mark Nash
Heard yesterday from Trango thatthey (in about a month) will come out with a connectorized version of the 5830 AP and will certify a Pacwireless omni hpol sector. Mark NashNetwork EngineerUnwiredOnline.Net350 Holly StreetJunction City, OR 97448http://www.uwol.net541-998-541-998-5599

Re: [WISPA] service contract prices

2006-02-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
I know I work with EC. And I know people like Canopy. I know I'm only supposed to say nice things. But Motorola is STILL working hard at the FCC level to hamstring this industry. I'll not support them unless there are no other choices. I won't even use a moto cell phone at this point, I'm

Re: [WISPA] service contract prices

2006-02-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
That's pretty close to what I was thinking. Thanks, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting)

Re: Was - [WISPA] service contract prices - What is moto doing?

2006-02-10 Thread Dan Petermann
What are they doing at the FCC??Can you point me to a few links or otherwise enlighten me?On Feb 10, 2006, at 1:07 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: I know I work with EC.  And I know people like Canopy.  I know I'm only supposed to say nice things.   But Motorola is STILL working hard

RE: Was - [WISPA] service contract prices - What is moto doing?

2006-02-10 Thread G.Villarini
The Cellular Sector is pushing for licensing the 3.65 band You got to understand that MOTO is huge organization not like other Manufacturers. And The Cellular Division is pushing for licensing the 3.65 band so they can sell more BTS to the Cell operators.AFAIK, the Canopy group has nothing

RE: [WISPA] service contract prices

2006-02-10 Thread G.Villarini
Ohh and you like Trango even tough they pulled the plug on Distis like EC ? .. Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509)

Re: [WISPA] service contract prices

2006-02-10 Thread Mac Dearman
Marlon, You can open up the Trango 5830AP case and there are already connectors in there. Just unplug the ones to the internal antenna and plug in the new MMCX to NFemale adapter, drill out the hole for the NFemale(or your choice) either in the side or through the plastic front. Its easy

Re: [WISPA] service contract prices

2006-02-10 Thread Mac Dearman
I have talked to Trango ( as a matter of fact they visited me here Tuesday) at length about that issue Gino and they had reasons for pulling their VAR's and resellers. I kinda figured it had something to do with the new products and lack of a LARGE profit margin :-) Mac G.Villarini wrote:

Re: Was - [WISPA] service contract prices - What is moto doing?

2006-02-10 Thread Dan Petermann
Ok, Thanks.I use to work for a large corp., they seem to like to shoot their own feet off.On Feb 10, 2006, at 1:24 PM, G.Villarini wrote: The Cellular Sector is pushing for licensing the 3.65 band… You got to understand that MOTO is huge organization not like other Manufacturers.  And The

Re: Was - [WISPA] service contract prices - What is moto doing?

2006-02-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
They know cause I've told them :-). There are issues in the 700 band too. EVERY filing has been against unlicensed. laters, Marlon(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net

Re: [WISPA] service contract prices

2006-02-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Sigh Yeah, it sucked. But they've done that more than once. We all knew it would happen. It wasn't an if, it was a when. And it's really quite different. They didn't do anything that hurt the overall industry. Their reputation, sure. No one's going to ever trust them. But that's not

Re: [WISPA] service contract prices

2006-02-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Grin No thanks! I like my warranties! And part of the reason for so many ap's is to keep the capacity up when they start doing video across the network. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services

RE: Was - [WISPA] service contract prices - What is moto doing?

2006-02-10 Thread G.Villarini
Surely they know, but there isnt much they can do when the Cell div. pulls x100 more $ than the Canopy Div. Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

Re: [WISPA] My Towers Need More CPU - suggestions?

2006-02-10 Thread Dylan Oliver
Which fancy enclosure with a heater and external fan did you choose? How much was it? Are you happy with it?Thanks,-- Dylan OliverPrimaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:

Re: [WISPA] My Towers Need More CPU - suggestions?

2006-02-10 Thread Blair Davis
I'd like to see the NEMA boxes you are using. I have thought of putting an atx board on top of a grain leg but have not yet found a cost effective way to do it. Power supply is the main issue. running 100W of power up there is not easy or cheap 48V @ 2.1A or 12V @ 8.2A. At 48V,

Re: [WISPA] BPSK QAM16 DSSS interference

2006-02-10 Thread Tom DeReggi
Dustin, While I haven't done any current work with the 2 foot Gabriel professional series I've been hearing enough good stuff about it that I ordered one to play with and see if it worth deploying. So far I like the Gabriel antennas. However, I am starting to see a pattern where the various

Re: [WISPA] BPSK QAM16 DSSS interference

2006-02-10 Thread Travis Johnson
Tom, I currently have several Pac Wireless 5.8ghz 2ft dishes running at 5.3ghz with no packet loss. Granted, the RSSI is 1-2db higher than it should be, but they do work. Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: Dustin, While I haven't done any current work with the 2 foot Gabriel

Re: [WISPA] MikroTik 5.8GHz Radio cards and settings.

2006-02-10 Thread Tom DeReggi
OOPs, I'm writing quicker than I'm thinking, and getting myself confused. I'm not using the Amp with the Range 2. The subscriber side had a Range2 (400watt). The AP side had a CM9 with Rflinx 250WAmp (802.11G model). Some weird things had happened, like I had an antenna and amp plugged on

Re: [WISPA] Flawed Spectrum Analysis (I think!)

2006-02-10 Thread Tom DeReggi
 I agree with your concern. Most likely the person doing the testing is the person doing the sale of the Redline? Tom DeReggiRapidDSL Wireless, IncIntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: JohnnyO To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, February

Re: [WISPA] service contract prices

2006-02-10 Thread JohnnyO
Mac - got a How To for this ? JohnnyO On Fri, 2006-02-10 at 14:31 -0600, Mac Dearman wrote: Marlon, You can open up the Trango 5830AP case and there are already connectors in there. Just unplug the ones to the internal antenna and plug in the new MMCX to NFemale adapter, drill out the