Re: [WISPA] Basic Mesh Theory

2006-02-27 Thread Jeromie Reeves
No im not falling for that trap. Your example used a 100% node to node connection rate, that is not reasonable for wireless. 2 to 5 radios/node is. This reduces the network update messages. My idea with a 3 radios is 1 BH AP, 1 BH CPE, 1 Client AP. The BH CPE should be smart enough to know where

RE: [WISPA] Good Evening Folks

2006-02-27 Thread G.Villarini
John, I hope you didn't have too much Churrasco and Vino ... Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Monday, February 27,

[WISPA] BH selection

2006-02-27 Thread chris cooper
We are getting ready to upgrade some BH links. The shots are pretty short - all @3 miles or less. Im wondering what folks select in terms of performance and value. chris -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] Basic Mesh Theory

2006-02-27 Thread Matt Liotta
Jack Unger wrote: You raise some good points... and here are some more differences between Matt's fully-meshed WIRED network example and the real-world conditions under which WIRELESS mesh networks are so often deployed today. My example actually used wireless P2P links, although it was

[WISPA] airBand

2006-02-27 Thread Peter R.
Dallas' airBand Communications Inc. is earmarking some of its new $8 million round of funding for an expansion into Austin. http://www.bizjournals.com/industries/high_tech/internet/2006/02/27/austin_story6.html Thank you. Regards, Peter RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect

RE: [WISPA] Basic Mesh Theory

2006-02-27 Thread Brian Webster
Jack, Let me jump in with some more thoughts on wireless mesh: I agree with you that RF engineering and RF limitations are not being fully considered in most mesh deployments. Most mesh designs I have seen are theory based and assume the full use of the unlicensed spectrum at

[WISPA] More clarification from the FCC on the Form 477 Due March 1st

2006-02-27 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Hi All, There's the latest that I've gotten from Ellen Burton at the FCC. Hopefully this explains a bit better about which connections count for the form 477 and who needs to fill them out. If you have any questions please cc me off list. It's looking like it's gonna be another really

[WISPA] [Fwd: Great news! We now have two unlicensed bills in the senate.]

2006-02-27 Thread John Scrivner
Thank you, all of you, who worked with WISPA to get those comments on the 04-186 issue. We all owe a special thanks to our new friend Frannie Wellings at Free Press also. She has been absolutely key in helping make this issue appear on the legislative radar. The dream may actually come true

Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Great news! We now have two unlicensed bills in the senate.]

2006-02-27 Thread Scott Reed
This is great news.  In looking at some info about the bills, I am wondering if want to ask for some of the whitespace to be made quasi-licensed, not unlicensed.  I would love to have some channels that I know will not be used by anyone within 50 miles of where I use them.  Not sure what it

Re: [WISPA] Basic Mesh Theory

2006-02-27 Thread Jack Unger
Brian, Exactly. You hit the nail on the head. The high noise levels combined with not enough license-free frequency space combined with unrealistically high traffic-handling expectations is going to doom most public Wi-Fi-based municipal networks to extinction while at the same time,

[WISPA] WISPS DO have to file the 477

2006-02-27 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Thanks Kris! For those that don't know him, Kris is a telecom attorney who's been a HUGE friend to the WISP industry. http://www.lokt.net/ Laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865

[WISPA] Pigtails..... and 5.8GHz low power....

2006-02-27 Thread Blair Davis
After discovering a 5db variance in the pigtails I have when tested at 5.8GHz, I am looking for a source of pigtails that are 100% tested and certified at 5.8GHz. I need mmcx to N-Female and u.fl to N-Female. 6-12 inch lengths will be fine. Any recommendations? PS: This pigtail problem

[WISPA] Is this true? And if so, this can not be good for ISP's of any kind!

2006-02-27 Thread Jory Privett
Title: Message Legislation Championed by Rep. King Leads to Unprecedented Technology Investment New Technologies, Strengthened Investment Flowing into State; High-Speed Internet on its Way to 71 Small Texas Communities Austin – City leaders from across Texas converged on Austin on

Re: OFFLIST - Was [WISPA] Pigtails..... and 5.8GHz low power....

2006-02-27 Thread Blair Davis
Jack, For myself, loss, physical integrity and possibly swr. Others might have other things to add. My own testing here with a repeatable lash up of my own devising has shown some pigtails being 12db! down from apparently identical pigtails. While I can not be sure of the absolute

Re: OFFLIST - Was [WISPA] Pigtails..... and 5.8GHz low power....

2006-02-27 Thread Blair Davis
Jack, When a dropping the pigtail off the desk breaks the connection to the N-Femail connector, that is just not acceptable. SWR should be low if loss is low, but, I have a pigtail here that is asymmetrical more loss on tx than on rx.In my experience, at lower frequencies, that is

Re: [WISPA] Pigtails..... and 5.8GHz low power....

2006-02-27 Thread George Rogato
Hi Blair I found this company on the star-os site: Phillip Stiles Sales *MRO Electronic Supply Ltd* 5, 1247, 36 Av. N.E. Calgary, Alberta, Canada T2E 6N6 403-291-0501 800-882-9301 FX:403-291-0530 From what was posted, it sounded like they manufacture custom quality pigtails that are

[WISPA] Tranzeo

2006-02-27 Thread chris cooper
Can anyone share experiences with the Tranzeo 5824F series? Looking for a BH solution that supports QoS and is upwards of 50 Mb and reliable. Ive looked at this, Ceragon and Waverider. Any insights are much appreciated. Chris Cooper Intelliwave -- WISPA Wireless List:

[WISPA] [Fwd: [TVWHITESPACE] news exerpt that 04-186 may be moving at the FCC]

2006-02-27 Thread John Scrivner
If you never thought you had a voice in D.C. then you were wrong. I was starting to think a person could not make a difference until I started seeing what we have seen of late from D.C. The access to television channels spaces is the biggest step we could have ever hoped to make in providing

Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment

2006-02-27 Thread Tom DeReggi
Lonnie, What I might not have made clear in previous posts, MESH is to broad a term to discuss. The way most people would deploy MESH networks today, I feel is flawed. I'm referring to wireless with large number of hops between end to end points to blanket an area. However, I agree and its

RE: [WISPA] Basic Mesh Theory

2006-02-27 Thread Brad Larson
Brian, Exactly my thoughts. And I'm with you in the show me category. Brad -Original Message- From: Brian Webster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Basic Mesh Theory Jack, Let me jump in with some

RE: [WISPA] Basic Mesh Theory

2006-02-27 Thread Brian Webster
As I recall the 60 GHz band has the problem of major attenuation because the oxygen molecules resonate at 60 GHz which means normal free space loss linear calculations have an anomaly at that range (which is why there is so much spectrum for unlicensed use). You make an excellent point about all

Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment

2006-02-27 Thread Tom DeReggi
It uses a 5.7-8 GHz radio for backhaul and 2.4 GHz for access. Thats the first mistake of the gear. It should take advantage of 5.3Ghz and 5.4Ghz, for creating its backhauls. Using 5.8Ghz for short range backhauls, just means that they plan to go head to head against Super Cell providers.

Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment

2006-02-27 Thread Lonnie Nunweiler
I am in agreement. Mesh is being abused by some people. Mesh is a routing mechanism in the same way that RIP and OSPF are routing mechanisms. You don't build a RIP or an OSPF, but rather you employ RIP or OSPF to organize and automate your routing. That is all we are doing with OLSR, just

Re: [WISPA] Pigtails..... and 5.8GHz low power....

2006-02-27 Thread JohnnyO
Roger Peters - [EMAIL PROTECTED] 210-601-7727 - You can call him anytime - he'll answer your call even if he's in the shower ! God he sings horribly ! JohnnyO On Mon, 2006-02-27 at 14:50 -0500, Blair Davis wrote: After discovering a 5db variance in the pigtails I have when tested at

Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment

2006-02-27 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: I am in agreement. Mesh is being abused by some people. Mesh is a routing mechanism in the same way that RIP and OSPF are routing mechanisms. No. OLSR is a routing protoco like RIP/OLSR. Meshis a network design like Bus, Star and Ring. Mesh is overloaping Stars