Re: [WISPA] Canopy Site, off-power-grid

2006-03-06 Thread wispa
I'll be happy to design it for ya, Rick. I'll give you a call on Monday. On Mon, 06 Mar 2006 02:01:17 -0500, Rick Smith wrote Need to install a short tower as a relay on a mountaintop, no power within 3/4 mile. Anyone done battery / generator sites with one Canopy AP, one Canopy SM

Re: [WISPA] How is this for a wireless discription?

2006-03-06 Thread Scott Reed
Especially since some of the links go to outside vendors, not an explanation.  I looked at the site and expected to find out what each piece was.  Instead I got a Trango add. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance - 911

2006-03-06 Thread Peter R.
Nuvio and CommPartners rely on Intrada for 911, just like Vonage. As the Vonage IPO so clearly pointed out, 911 coverage is spotty at best. Residential 911 is harder due to the nomadic possibilities. CallVantage has taken measures to cover their butts and Lingo is working on it. But Intrado is

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Peter R.
You haven't seen it yet, because Lingo is not profitable yet. Primus owns Lingo and Primus is basically an International VOIP company. Like so many VOIP Providers, they are still trying to figure out how to make a profit. Delta3 (which is the backend for VZ's VoiceWing) made $9.1M in revenue

[WISPA] 5.4 very close now

2006-03-06 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Hi All, I talked to the FCC the other day. 5.4 is at the grammatical checking stage. All of the hard work is done. Should see product soon. They (the FCC) has extended the certification of the existing rules (5.4's rules also affect new 5.2 gig gear) for the current crop of 5.2 gig gear.

Re: [WISPA] 5.4 very close now

2006-03-06 Thread Mac Dearman
Marlon, Please excuse my ignorance, but is this spectrum going to be turned loose to every wireless consumer grade appliances known to man or is this going to be something that is going to be released for the WISP? I know that I am dreaming here!! Thanks, Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC.

Re: [WISPA] Canopy Site, off-power-grid

2006-03-06 Thread Alex Huppenthal
Plan for an amp hour / hour.. 24 amp hours / day. if you buy a couple of 100 amp hour walmart marine batteries you'd have 200/24 or about 9 days of run time without solar. I don't know what solar planning you need in Jersey. DoE has some maps of the US for solar planning - if it works out

RE: [WISPA] 5.4 very close now

2006-03-06 Thread Rick Harnish
Mac, As far as I know, the hardware/software has to be contention based to be allowed to use the spectrum. I would doubt if many consumer devices will be allowed to operate in this spectrum. I can tell you that Orthogon has already released the firmware upgrade for the Gemini product to be used

RE: [WISPA] 5.4 very close now

2006-03-06 Thread G.Villarini
Rick, The orthogon software upgrade pertaining to the 5.4 gzh band only applies to the Gemini 5.4 capable unit only wich is for the Euro Market, non US based gear has been certified yet for 5.4 ghz From the Orthogon release notes: 1.1 Support for the 5.4GHz Hardware Variant The Orthogon Systems

Re: [WISPA] 5.4 very close now

2006-03-06 Thread Bob Moldashel
Sorry to bust your bubble but that was EU only -B- Rick Harnish wrote: Mac, As far as I know, the hardware/software has to be contention based to be allowed to use the spectrum. I would doubt if many consumer devices will be allowed to operate in this spectrum. I can tell you that

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread John Scrivner
Primus tells me they are more than a VOIP company and that they do make money. They impressed me in my dealings with them. Can you share more about your information about Primus? I have a big interest in knowing anything I can about them right now. Thanks, Scriv Peter R. wrote: You haven't

Re: [WISPA] ATT merging with BellSouth

2006-03-06 Thread George Rogato
Qwest is next. We all know consolidation is going to continue. So I went out and bought some Qwest shares this am. George Frank Muto wrote: NYT/WSJ ATT Inc. is nearing the acquisition of BellSouth Corp. for roughly $65 billion, people familiar with the situation said Saturday evening. A

RE: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Dustin Jurman
Delta3 - is the EBITA? DSJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 12:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance Primus tells me they are more than a

Re: [WISPA] How is this for a wireless discription?

2006-03-06 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Looks good! Now will you PLEASE stop screwing with web sites and go sell! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Matt Liotta
Primus/Lingo is calling every WISP in the country trying to sign them up for a very CommPartners like deal. All of these VoIP providers are using the same shitty model that will be worthless in 2 years time. There is no money to be made in VoIP short-term unless you operate your own equipment.

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Matt Liotta
Quite simply, VoIP will be free in the long run. Use it to sell bandwidth or what have you, but don't plan on profiting from it directly outside of specific niches such as call centers. We have provisioned hundreds of phone numbers and sold hundreds of phone lines, but our actual monthly cost

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Tom DeReggi
John, Primus has two seperate Voice products. Their Business (primus) service is the answer for WISPs/ISPs, that jsut want to sell an analog replacement line to a business to sue their existin PBX. Primus actually embrases this unlike just about every other VOIP wholesaler on the planet. The

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Tom DeReggi
Did they happen to list executive's salaries? A company doesn't have to be profitable for the officers to be profitable. Good tax planning does not necessarilly, reflect the real health of the company. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original

Re: [WISPA] ATT merging with BellSouth

2006-03-06 Thread Peter R.
Qwest has too much debt. BellSouth LD is Qwest's largest customer. So even less revenue to pay off that huge debt. George Rogato wrote: Qwest is next. We all know consolidation is going to continue. So I went out and bought some Qwest shares this am. George -- WISPA Wireless List:

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Jason Hensley
What about for those of us in small markets where the large VoIP players don't have access numbers? What is your opinion on them coming here? For instance, I'm in an area where the closest VoIP provider's number is 100 miles away with probably 25 or so NXX's that cannot call it locally. Not

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Peter R.
Primus is a big International LD company. That is how it began in 1994. Check out the Primus Wireless plan. Cellular and VOIP are based in International exchanges. Primus has short term debt of $26M; long term is $635M. About to be de-listed from Nasdaq. Net loss for the fourth quarter 2005

RE: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread danlist
so should primus be avoided? Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-566-2053 ext 6201 1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783 [EMAIL PROTECTED] support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent:

RE: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Brian Webster
I might be inclined to say it may be a loser in the future. I just read an article in a Telco trade magazine that announced a software package that can sniff SIP packets and give real time information for billing based on an IBM server. In that same article they talked about how they could

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread KyWiFi LLC
Hi Scriv, We tried Lingo but could not get it to work reliably and their voice quality was horrible when it did work. Their support is overseas so expect to be treated like a number instead of a person. LNP's are hard to get approved and people calling our ported number often got a busy signal

RE: [WISPA] How is this for a wireless description?

2006-03-06 Thread Victoria
Ha, not fair! We lit up our hot spot on Saturday, I designed the web site on Sunday and I am selling today! :-) Starting a WISP is a lot of work ;-) Victoria Proffer www.StLouisBroadBand.com 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf

Re: [WISPA] VoIP

2006-03-06 Thread Peter R.
I have to agree with Matt. Selling Host PBX service is probably the only part left of VOIP that allow for a margin. Peter Matt Liotta wrote: Primus/Lingo is calling every WISP in the country trying to sign them up for a very CommPartners like deal. All of these VoIP providers are using the

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Matt Liotta
My understanding is that many rural markets can be accessed using tandem PRIs. For example, using tandems in GA I can get access numbers for the entire state with only 10 actual circuits. Though, each circuit can only handle 23 incoming calls at once, so to support a large user base it would

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Matt Liotta
In our case, the most expense part of our VoIP deployment was getting our network ready to support it correctly. Whether the backend is outsourced doesn't affect the requirement to support end-to-end QoS. Therefore, I believe that you should either get in all the way or not at all. The worst

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Peter R.
Issues such as LNP, E-911, 411, CALEA, yellow page listings, and taxes will take a bite out of any profit. Even termination, origination and DIDs cost money. Let's say you get a 2 way CLEC PRI for $615 + DIDs at $10 per 20. And let's say the CLEC will do your LNP and 911. $615 divided by 23

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Jason Hensley
And I think along this same line, partnering with, and basing your business plan on, a company that may not be here in 2-3 years is risky at best. Gotta have a backup plan of some kind if you're doing this of course. This is why I have worked hard at building my own facilities in all aspects

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Peter R.
Because Vonage et al, sell Resi VOIP cheaper than TDM Voice. Why? Easier to market. Easier to take orders (notice I did not say sell?) But termination will be going up (already seeing rising costs for Dedicated LD). E-911 is not cheap (nor is it nationally available). You can try to work with

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Mac Dearman
I agree with that bit of advice whole heartedly Matt! We are in the process of setting up our own VoIP solution as we speak. I think that by the time that 100 of us WISPs get into our own VoIP offerings we can allow access from the other WISPs PRI's...etc for PSTN access to limit the amount

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Jason Hensley
I, for one, appreciate all of the comments. This is what I'm looking for - the good, bad, and ugly, to figure out whether I even want to dive into this market. - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 06,

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Matt Liotta
E-911 is THE issue to solve for everyone. No matter who you get E-911 from, the local ILEC is actually providing the service using outdated and expensive equipment. Until that changes things won't get better. -Matt Peter R. wrote: Because Vonage et al, sell Resi VOIP cheaper than TDM Voice.

Re: [WISPA] VoIP Charges and other

2006-03-06 Thread Peter R.
That whole FCC E-911 thing was to save the PSTN. Cell phones have been around 10 years without 911. The other VOIP concern are the Virtual NXX cases at the FCC. If SBC wins it's virtual NXX case against Valor (?? maybe another company), the charges for DID will go through the roof. Virtual

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Peter R.
You might have just had a bad experience. I beta tested the Primus Business VOIP product in 2004 and my only complaint was that after talking for 75 minutes on one call, it would die. And the Cisco ATA needed to be rebooted a lot. Peter KyWiFi LLC wrote: Hi Scriv, We tried Lingo but could

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Matt Liotta
The notion of avoiding toll costs by working with other WISPs sounds great in theory. From our standpoint, it would cost us more to connect to a single WISP than to pay our entire long distance bill. We pay between $0.002 to $0.005 per minute on average for domestic long distance. -Matt Mac

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Peter R.
You're a CLEC, right? Matt Liotta wrote: The notion of avoiding toll costs by working with other WISPs sounds great in theory. From our standpoint, it would cost us more to connect to a single WISP than to pay our entire long distance bill. We pay between $0.002 to $0.005 per minute on

RE: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Paul Hendry
VoIP is an essential part of your offerings. We target business customers and try to sell SDSL style services instead of ADSL style as it's just as easy for us to deliver a symmetrical service then it is to deliver an asymmetric service. The key to selling the symmetric service is by showing the

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Matt Liotta
Nope -Matt Peter R. wrote: You're a CLEC, right? Matt Liotta wrote: The notion of avoiding toll costs by working with other WISPs sounds great in theory. From our standpoint, it would cost us more to connect to a single WISP than to pay our entire long distance bill. We pay between

Re: [WISPA] ATT merging with BellSouth

2006-03-06 Thread Tom DeReggi
Yes but, Quest has a loyal customer base, which is substantially different in profile than the other Telco's client base. Its sorta like Verizon buying MCI, MCI offered a complete diverse portfolio of target clent bases and Assets. Consolidation also allows for the sharing of infrastructure or

Re: [WISPA] ATT merging with BellSouth

2006-03-06 Thread George Rogato
There is only one way for these companies to expand, buy market share. Qwest has a big market in the west. They just won't offer that much for Qwest. Maybe 12.00 per share, my guess. George Tom DeReggi wrote: Yes but, Quest has a loyal customer base, which is substantially different in

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Tom DeReggi
Matt, I have no doubt, that you are prepairing yourself well for the future regarding VOIP. Its decissions like the ones you made to do MPLS and Redundant paths (in your case wired MESH), that will empower you to more reliably offer your own VOIP services On-Net, like you are doing. The

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Tom DeReggi
Revenue: 174.0 million net Loss $189.6million our marketing expenses were $176.3million./ Wow. That would support my arguement that there is no part of the equation more valuable than the portion responsible for the unique access to the consumer via a verticle sell. So if I'm a wireless

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
RANT I've got working VOIP on my network, beta-tested and ready to roll out but without e911. I like VOIP, because I have people subscribing to our service just so they can get Vonage and ditch their land line - but this whole e911 thing is a fscking nightmare. At what point does it make

RE: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Victoria
Matt, What type VoIP are you beta-testing? We are currently looking at asterisk, but I am concerned about how many subscribers I can maintain per PRI. So far the numbers I am getting do not add up to profitability. I almost makes more sense to resell another providers product. Victoria

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Matt Liotta
We aren't beta testing anything. We have been providing VoIP to our customers for over a year now and we do use Asterisk. -Matt Victoria wrote: Matt, What type VoIP are you beta-testing? We are currently looking at asterisk, but I am concerned about how many subscribers I can maintain per

Re: [WISPA] Blocking ripe network ip space?

2006-03-06 Thread Mac Dearman
I think I am about to stir some of you up by asking this - - oh well :) 90% of spam messages to our network and 99% of the DOS attacks we are suffering are in the IP space of RIPE network and I am considering blocking all IPs from RIPE. What would be the most detrimental affect of this for

[WISPA] Teletronics Sectors

2006-03-06 Thread Jason Wallace
Anyone using the 19 dbi Hz Pol 120 deg sector from Teletronics, p/n 15-124, in a 3 antenna array? Anyone know what the front to back ratio is on one of these? How about weatherability? Jason Wallace -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:

Re: [WISPA] Blocking ripe network ip space?

2006-03-06 Thread David E. Smith
Mac Dearman wrote: 90% of spam messages to our network and 99% of the DOS attacks we are suffering are in the IP space of RIPE network and I am considering blocking all IPs from RIPE. What would be the most detrimental affect of this for my clients? other than the obvious no traffic to/from

[WISPA] Motorola StarPoint 6000

2006-03-06 Thread JohnnyO
I've aquired 24-26 full racks of Motorola Starpoint equipment - Does anyone know of who may be using this. Someone mentioned they are using this equipment in Africa ?? Any suggestions are welcome JohnnyO -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:

RE: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance - Beyond VoIP: Think Like a Cable Company and Accelerate ROI

2006-03-06 Thread Charles Wu
Here's an interesting concept (so interesting, in fact, that we made a session about it at our next show) All wireless network operators today carry Internet advertising over their networks. All that network traffic equates to more than $14 billion dollars per year and is growing at double-digit

RE: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Charles Wu
snip I think everyone of us need to be in our own VoIP business!! I have even given thought to a Coop kind of deal, but I need to have some more beer and thoughts on that :-) /snip Mac, You need some BEER -N- WIRELESS GEAR -Charles --- WiNOG Austin,

RE: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Charles Wu
snip We pay between $0.002 to $0.005 per minute on average for domestic long distance. /snip Matt, Out of curiosity...do you mean 2-5 cents per minute? Or 0.2 to 0.5 cents per minute? -Charles --- WiNOG Austin, TX March 13-15, 2006 http://www.winog.com

[WISPA] Nice Resource

2006-03-06 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
http://www.gethuman.com/us/ Skip the annoying automation and get to a person. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

RE: [WISPA] Motorola StarPoint 6000

2006-03-06 Thread Brian Webster
 Johnny, Can you give me more details on what you have. Is this 2 GHz stuff (probably 1800-1900 MHz)? I have a local county here who uses what I think is Starpoint but not sure. They are running out of spare cards and such and might be interested. I think this was used a lot in older public

RE: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
I really have to say that I had the opposite experience. My Lingo, dicey for the first 6 months a couple of years ago, has been rock solid for the past 18 months since I got the newer boxes (USTARCOM). The voice quality was not as good as Vonage unless you select the higher quality option on