Re: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox

2006-06-08 Thread Jeffrey Thomas
Mti's are a lot better antenna but a bit more pricey. - Jeff On 6/7/06 9:16 PM, George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those MTI's are nice looking product. Nice price too. Have you checked out the pac wireless 5 gig rootennas yet? They are working great for me and they are cheap.

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik change channel center points

2006-06-08 Thread John Tully
At 02:36 AM 6/8/2006, you wrote: MessageA few months ago, someone said this can be done, but for the life of me, I can't figure it out. Mikrotik channels are not aligned with Trango channels, and I want to slide/change my Mikrotik channel center points by 10 mhz so it matches my Trangos at

Re: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox

2006-06-08 Thread N White
What kind of distance are you seeing with those 5G Rootennas? And what kind of APs Antennas are you using? Just curious - we're looking at moving all new customers to 5Ghz. -Nick George Rogato wrote: Those MTI's are nice looking product. Nice price too. Have you checked out the pac wireless

Re: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox

2006-06-08 Thread George Rogato
I'm using them as ap's. I have a link that is about 8 miles @ 5.3 George N White wrote: What kind of distance are you seeing with those 5G Rootennas? And what kind of APs Antennas are you using? Just curious - we're looking at moving all new customers to 5Ghz. -Nick George Rogato wrote:

Re: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox

2006-06-08 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Remember, at 5.3 gig you are only allowed 1WATT eirp. That's 30 dB. If you have a 24dB antenna the radio output has to be dropped down to 6dB. But, that's part of why I love 5.3! Forces people to use good antennas and low power radios instead of high power radios with junk antennas!

[WISPA] looking for a device

2006-06-08 Thread Matt Liotta
I am looking for a device with the following requirements: * Can backhaul at 11Mbps operating in the 5.2Ghz band * Can support VLANs * Can assign a VLAN to one Ethernet port * Powered by PoE (the standard is not required) * Can act as a 2.4Ghz Wi-Fi access point assigned to a different VLAN

Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

2006-06-08 Thread Sam Tetherow
Mikrotik on a routerboard 532 should do the trick although I haven't messed with the VLAN stuff. I am not a StarOS user, but I would bet that a StarOS setup on either a WRAP or WAR board would work as well. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Matt Liotta wrote: I am looking for a device

RE: [WISPA] looking for a device

2006-06-08 Thread Rick Smith
uhh, mikrotik w/SR2, SR5, 5 gig antenna for backhaul and 2.4 omni on the other... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 1:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] looking for a device I am

Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

2006-06-08 Thread Matt Liotta
I am looking for a device I can buy that does all of this out of the box. I don't want to build my own since I need 30-40 of them in the next 30 days. -Matt Sam Tetherow wrote: Mikrotik on a routerboard 532 should do the trick although I haven't messed with the VLAN stuff. I am not a StarOS

Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

2006-06-08 Thread Sam Tetherow
If you order it all from wisp-router they will assemble it for your so you would get a die-cast case with the RB mounted the radios and pigtails installed. All you would need to do is set up the software end of things, which could be done with a script once you have the initial setup done.

Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

2006-06-08 Thread jeffrey thomas
Airmatrix can do that. www.defactowireless.com On Thu, 08 Jun 2006 13:17:30 -0400, Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I am looking for a device with the following requirements: * Can backhaul at 11Mbps operating in the 5.2Ghz band * Can support VLANs * Can assign a VLAN to one Ethernet

Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

2006-06-08 Thread Matt Liotta
I understand you are suggesting I wouldn't have to psychically build the devices, but that isn't what I am worried about. I want an off-the-shelf product that is supported by a vendor. That includes it being pre-built, software installed, and support available. -Matt Sam Tetherow wrote: If

Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

2006-06-08 Thread jeffrey thomas
Fyi everyone, wrap boards have been discontinued On Thu, 08 Jun 2006 12:45:00 -0500, Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: If you order it all from wisp-router they will assemble it for your so you would get a die-cast case with the RB mounted the radios and pigtails installed. All you

Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

2006-06-08 Thread Matt Liotta
I could be missing the product you are suggesting, but the only dual radio products I can find our base station products. I not looking for a base station, I am looking for something client facing. Further, I see no mention of VLAN support. -Matt jeffrey thomas wrote: Airmatrix can do

Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

2006-06-08 Thread George Rogato
Lonnie sells his war in a rootenna waiting to go. Support is offered via the online forums. George Matt Liotta wrote: I understand you are suggesting I wouldn't have to psychically build the devices, but that isn't what I am worried about. I want an off-the-shelf product that is supported by

Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

2006-06-08 Thread George Rogato
I have to take that back. I'm not so sure they are already assembled and ready to go. They might fall under some assembly required Maybe Lonnie can tell us. George George Rogato wrote: Lonnie sells his war in a rootenna waiting to go. Support is offered via the online forums. George Matt

Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

2006-06-08 Thread Matt Liotta
I would expect the devices to cost somewhere between $300 and $600 each. As far as support goes, I would expect it to be similar to other low cost radio vendors like Trango, etc. -Matt Sam Tetherow wrote: What are you willing to pay and what are your support requirements? Sam Tetherow

[WISPA] FCC SPECTRUM SHARING INNOVATION TEST-BED comments

2006-06-08 Thread Peter R.
Released: 06/08/2006. FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION SEEKS PUBLIC COMMENT ON CREATION OF A SPECTRUM SHARING INNOVATION TEST-BED. (Dkt No 06-89). Comments Due: 07/10/2006. Reply Comments Due: 07/24/2006. (FCC No. 06-77). OET. Contact: Saurbh Chhabra at (202) 418-2266, email: [EMAIL

Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

2006-06-08 Thread KyWiFi LLC
Discontinued by Wisp-Router.com or all vendors? There's no mention of this on http://www.pcengines.ch Where did you hear this? I recall hearing that the chipset used on the current WRAP platform has been discontinued but to my knowledge, there is a replacement chipset available which will be used

Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

2006-06-08 Thread Jory Privett
SkyPilot ahs a product like this but not at for those prices. Their dualband extender has a 2.4 b/g access point with a 5.8 mesh backhaul system. Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday,

RE: [WISPA] looking for a device

2006-06-08 Thread Charles Wu
Hi Matt, To throw in a dose of realism -- even if you roll your own Mikrotik solution - it will most likely cost you more than the $300-600 / unit budget that you have (and you get ZERO support =) Example RB532A: $185 SR5: $105 SR2: $105 All that is is a board and 2 radio cards -- then you

Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

2006-06-08 Thread Lonnie Nunweiler
Some assembly required. We do not put the antenna pieces together since the user would have to take them apart to attach the cat5. Lonnie On 6/8/06, George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to take that back. I'm not so sure they are already assembled and ready to go. They might fall

Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

2006-06-08 Thread Matt Liotta
I don't think i am unrealistic. We built a platform from off-the-shelf parts that meets our requirements for under $500. How well that will work outside of our lab coupled with the time it took to build tells us we want nothing to do with building our own. I am aware of what mesh products

Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

2006-06-08 Thread jeffrey thomas
Matt, The airmatrix flex can do what you require, i think list on them is around 350 or so but that price is coming down to around 250.00. An additional card shouldnt be too much more per side. - Jeff On Thu, 08 Jun 2006 15:19:35 -0400, Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I don't think i am

Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

2006-06-08 Thread jeffrey thomas
my understanding is that the whole board is being disconinued. We were notified of this ( as in pcengines is no longer taking orders ) about 2 weeks ago. I would need to clarify this with david peterson but I am pretty sure that is the case. - Jeff On Thu, 8 Jun 2006 14:46:09 -0400, KyWiFi LLC

RE: [WISPA] looking for a device

2006-06-08 Thread Charles Wu
snip I don't think i am unrealistic. We built a platform from off-the-shelf parts that meets our requirements for under $500. How well that will work outside of our lab coupled with the time it took to build tells us we want nothing to do with building our own. /snip EXACTLY The bits and

Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

2006-06-08 Thread Matt Liotta
Charles Wu wrote: The bits and pieces will definitely fit in your budget (in this case, $500), but keep in mind, integration, development, support etc adds a lot to the top line Remember, most manufacturers are selling products at 40-60% gross margin Well sure, but if a manufacturer can't

Re: [WISPA] FCC SPECTRUM SHARING INNOVATION TEST-BED comments

2006-06-08 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
We need to file on this guys. If anyone cares to help Also, please send me your ideas so I can get something started. Hopefully in the next week or two I'll be able to put together some initial thoughts. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408)

RE: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox

2006-06-08 Thread danlist
What is the beam width of the rootenna to use it as an AP?? you must have a bunch of them to get 360* coverage Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-566-2053 ext 6201 1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783 [EMAIL PROTECTED] support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-

RE: [WISPA] looking for a device

2006-06-08 Thread danlist
I don't think there is much out there unfortunately But YOU CAN BUY FROM MIKROTIK direct, prebuilt units www.mikrotik.com click on prices/products Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-566-2053 ext 6201 1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783 [EMAIL PROTECTED] support: [EMAIL

Re: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox

2006-06-08 Thread George Rogato
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the beam width of the rootenna to use it as an AP?? you must have a bunch of them to get 360* coverage Dan Metcalf Yeah, Dan, I'm using tighter beamwidths as much as possible for spectrum conservation. I do use omni's in 2.4 quite a bit, but 5 gig I like it

Re: [WISPA] FCC SPECTRUM SHARING INNOVATION TEST-BED comments

2006-06-08 Thread George Rogato
1. The Test-Bed could be used to effectuate many goals, including testing dynamic spectrum access techniques, developing new technologies for public safety, and streamlining spectrum coordination processes between federal and non-federal users. We seek comment on these goals, as well as

Re: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox

2006-06-08 Thread George Rogato
The Pac Wireless 5 gig rootennas are only 19db gain. What I like best about all of the antenna enclosures is the lack f cabling, just a short pigtail from the radio card to the antenna port. Also with star you can adjust the power of the card. Default power is what we use mostly. No need to

Re: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox

2006-06-08 Thread George Rogato
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Short pigtail - less signal loss Plus if you add in the RJ-45-ECS (Ethernet connector system) you get a nice easy to swap unit Dan Metcalf Right on Dan. Thats what we've been doing. Prebuilt, easy to install. With the Star WAr boards we've even gone as far as

[WISPA] Wireless ?

2006-06-08 Thread Rick Smith
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Re: [WISPA] Double Ping Replies

2006-06-08 Thread Scott Reed
Thanks again, Jack. I am going to be working on the fade margin and will post results when I have them.  Hopefully by next weekend. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- Original Message

Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

2006-06-08 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
Not all WRAP boards are discontinued. 233 Mhz versions will continue production for some time yet. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES!

[WISPA] Good news on the wimax unlicensed front

2006-06-08 Thread jeffrey thomas
Guys, Just got out of training for the new AIRSPAN wimax product for 5.8. Unlike most other vendors, they are going to market with their 802.16-2004 5.4-5.9 solution and are shipping in JULY, and expect FCC certification for their 802.16-2004 product for 4.9 Ghz as well in July! I am very excited

Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

2006-06-08 Thread jeffrey thomas
according to pascal in an email today, he has one more shipment coming of 233mhz boards in july then thats it folks... - Jeff On Thu, 8 Jun 2006 17:54:48 -0700, Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Not all WRAP boards are discontinued. 233 Mhz versions will continue production for some

Re: [WISPA] Good news on the wimax unlicensed front

2006-06-08 Thread Sam Tetherow
Color me jaded, but how can you get a zero truck roll CPE in 5.4-5.9 unlicensed? Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless jeffrey thomas wrote: Guys, Just got out of training for the new AIRSPAN wimax product for 5.8. Unlike most other vendors, they are going to market with their 802.16-2004

Re: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox

2006-06-08 Thread Tom DeReggi
The big delimna for years, is that Trango has the unique advantage of Dual Pol on the fly. If you give up Dual Pol flexibilty, whats the point in using Trango, that's their main advantage. Sure the Rootenna are cheap, we use them for our Mikrotik/StarOS CPEs. I suggest the MTI as a match for

Re: [WISPA] Good news on the wimax unlicensed front

2006-06-08 Thread Jeffrey Thomas
Simple. Since the CPE self provisions and aligns itself, the customer only need to know they need to install the device on their rooftop. And they also have indoor devices that work to maybe a KM or so from the tower but those Are as simple as a customer plugs in the ethernet plug and power and

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik change channel center points

2006-06-08 Thread Tom DeReggi
John, It's really been nice to see the progress made with Mikrotik this year, its really becoming a strong product. That would be great, when the next release comes includes abilty to change center points of channels. Its a VERY important issue. What you got to acknowledge, is that MIkrotik is

RE: [WISPA] Good news on the wimax unlicensed front

2006-06-08 Thread JohnnyO
Jeff - how many other platforms have you tooted the horn on that have never produced the results you claimed ? Not trying to rain on your parade here, but every platform you've tooted ranting raves about, has never lived up to it's hype from what I have seen. JohnnyO Wanting to be a believer

Re: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox

2006-06-08 Thread Tom DeReggi
With a rootena, at 7 miles, sounds like George is over power limits. But take note, 5.3G can be within limits to reach 7 miles. You can actually reach 10 miles (with little fade margin) and be within the limits. It does however require a 32 db dish, and a -2 power level to be legal. Tom

Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

2006-06-08 Thread Tom DeReggi
Sounds like Mikrotik to me. We do that all the time. Take note, to get standard bridge features across an 802.11 client, it requires WDS. Mikrotik allows for large packets so that VLANs can be configured over WDS. The configuration is a bit encumbersome at first, but we got it down to a

Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

2006-06-08 Thread Tom DeReggi
NOte, Star OS handles VLAN correctly as far as automatically reducing MTU size. But that can be a problem for ISPs that want to deliver full 1500 MTU to the end user as standard. MIkrotik does not have that limitation. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

2006-06-08 Thread Tom DeReggi
There are people that build them for you. MIkrotik sells pre-made systems. WISP-Router I thought also did, but not possitive. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

2006-06-08 Thread Tom DeReggi
Airmatrix does VLAN but its uses StarOS, so it does VLAN the wrong way for some one trying to sell to carriers. If you sell to a carrier, they are going towant to be delivered a minimum of 1500 MTU. StarOS can't do that with VLAN. However, if you didn;t need VLAN, Defacto does give EXCELLENT

Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

2006-06-08 Thread Tom DeReggi
Charles, Although your advise does bringrealism to the debate I think you are leaving out VLAN requirement in your view. Mikrotik, gives the VLAN functuionality that is needed. That is worth money. Mikrotik gives the flexibilty of dual radio configs. I'm not even sure the expensive name

Re: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox

2006-06-08 Thread Tom DeReggi
You gotta love those StarOS 5-10 Mhz channels :-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 4:49 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas

RE: [WISPA] looking for a device

2006-06-08 Thread JohnnyO
Get with Jim Patient as well - www.jeffcosoho.com He can build them for you more then likely at a savings to WISP-Router could. Jim makes some great ready to go products and he's a super nice guy :) JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf

RE: [WISPA] Good news on the wimax unlicensed front

2006-06-08 Thread JohnnyO
Jeffrey Thomas - DOH ! - For some reason I had Jeff Booher on the brain and made mistake of making this post ! ! ! ! Please - pretty please forgive me for mixing you up ? /me holds head down and kicks rocks JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On