Re: [WISPA] Re: 1st draft Spectrum Sharing Test-bed 06-89.doc

2006-06-16 Thread John Scrivner
Marlon, My apologies. I honestly do not even know what this is. Can you give us a 50,000 foot overview of what this is? I guess I missed the call to do something about whatever this is. I have been a bit out of touch with these issues lately. My apologies. Scriv Marlon K. Schafer (509)

Re: [WISPA] OT: about 70Mbps for under $6K

2006-06-16 Thread Matt Liotta
QinQ VLAN is interesting and all, but it is no longer the preferred way to sell layer 2 transport. Certainly, many carriers continue to use QinQ for this purpose, but that has more to do with legacy issues than a desire to use the current best practice. With the regulatory landscape as it

RE: [WISPA] OT: about 70Mbps for under $6K

2006-06-16 Thread Brad Larson
Patrick, With version 4.0 on VL the radio will support jumbo frames and that is 1540 to allow QinQ transport. Brad -Original Message- From: Patrick Leary Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 12:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: about 70Mbps for under $6K As a non engineer,

RE: [WISPA] OT: about 70Mbps for under $6K

2006-06-16 Thread Gino A. Villarini
Matt, one of my competitors has been doing mpls over fixed wireless since last year. BTW: what you are using for mpls ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [WISPA] OT: about 70Mbps for under $6K

2006-06-16 Thread Matt Liotta
I figured my statement would generate comments about others running MPLS. We use Cisco BTW. -Matt Gino A. Villarini wrote: Matt, one of my competitors has been doing mpls over fixed wireless since last year. BTW: what you are using for mpls ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet

RE: [WISPA] OT: about 70Mbps for under $6K

2006-06-16 Thread Gino A. Villarini
Cisco switches or routers ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 9:15 AM To: WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] OT: about 70Mbps for under $6K

2006-06-16 Thread Matt Liotta
3750 ME and 6500 series switchs along with 7300 series routers. We use 2800 series routers for the edges of our network where MPLS is not required. -Matt Gino A. Villarini wrote: Cisco switches or routers ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel

RE: [WISPA] OT: about 70Mbps for under $6K

2006-06-16 Thread Patrick Leary
So according to some internal sources, this looks like something that can be enabled in an upcoming firmware tweak. To that end, such things require me to establish market justification. I am curious how many of you consider this a must have? I am sincerely interested in any further feedback on

Re: [WISPA] OT: about 70Mbps for under $6K

2006-06-16 Thread Matt Liotta
Patrick Leary wrote: Matt, to further your comments that you see WISPs providing layer 2 transort for carriers. We have multiple CLECs and non-CLECs buying layer 2 transport from us now. All are used to buy alternative access from fiber providers and therefore fixed wireless was a naturally

RE: [WISPA] OT: about 70Mbps for under $6K

2006-06-16 Thread Patrick Leary
So you agree then that being able to do VoIP is key. I'd like to hear more about your experiences with VoIP. Is your solution actually doing it well or is that your idea of doing VoIP well is 8 only concurrent calls per sector so long as the quality is decent for those few calls? We have talked to

Re: [WISPA] OT: about 70Mbps for under $6K

2006-06-16 Thread John Scrivner
It is not a question of how many customers will want this MTU adjustment feature. Setting MTU size should be elementary for your firmware guys. It is an option in any open embedded OS I have seen for wireless management. I have seen MTU size options on $100 APs. MTU size is something that is

Re: [WISPA] OT: about 70Mbps for under $6K

2006-06-16 Thread Matt Liotta
We rarely use multi-point systems for customers and when we do they are either small businesses with very little voice and data needs or they are just data customers. All of our customers with any significant amount of voice are running on dedicated radios. I would say our average customer

RE: [WISPA] OT: about 70Mbps for under $6K

2006-06-16 Thread Brad Larson
So you're using a 20 mhz channel to support one business client? Brad -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 10:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: about 70Mbps for under $6K We rarely use multi-point systems for

Re: [WISPA] BreezeACCESS VL news - 750% VoIP improvement

2006-06-16 Thread John Scrivner
Can you give more details on the versions that require a license key? What will they cost? What features will they have specifically? What is FIPS 197? Could this FIPS 197 service allow for service to medical facilities also? I would like to be able to approach the hospitals, doctor's offices,

Re: [WISPA] OT: about 70Mbps for under $6K

2006-06-16 Thread Matt Liotta
Sure, it's not like we can't put more than one Canopy backhaul on the same channel. -Matt Brad Larson wrote: So you're using a 20 mhz channel to support one business client? Brad -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 10:37 AM

Re: [WISPA] OT: about 70Mbps for under $6K

2006-06-16 Thread Jon Langeler
Patrick, my string-and-can wifi asterisk ap does more than 10 calls! :-)Honestly, 288 G711 calls is probably more towards the high end. Whether you would like to realize it or not, canopy has come a ways over the years. If you consult with your engineers I'm sure you'll conclude that a

Re: [WISPA] OT: about 70Mbps for under $6K

2006-06-16 Thread Travis Johnson
Matt, How do you fit more than 10-12 of those type of dedicated links on a single tower? Travis Microserv Matt Liotta wrote: We rarely use multi-point systems for customers and when we do they are either small businesses with very little voice and data needs or they are just data

RE: [WISPA] OT: about 70Mbps for under $6K

2006-06-16 Thread Brad Larson
John, Testing by Alvarion engineers has been done. Saying that a radio has an aggregate throughput of 14 meg's for voip is not really applicable. Small packets through the radio can bring most systems to their knees. Brad -Original Message- From: Jon Langeler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [WISPA] OT: about 70Mbps for under $6K

2006-06-16 Thread danlist
We are running VoIP over a Mikrotik/NSTREAM 5Ghz OFDM solution. Actual TCP throughput is about 25Mbps, we have had over 12 VoIP across the PTMP and a PTP BH to our NOC were the VoIP service is located while providing INTERNET across. This is working with great success and Matt Liotta is

RE: [WISPA] OT: about 70Mbps for under $6K

2006-06-16 Thread Brad Larson
I have seen testing on 4.0 BreezeAccess VL with 64 k packets where the new 4.0 outperformed version 3.1.25 by a very wide margin. Downstream throughput of 40.29 meg's per second with 59,952 frames per second passed! Data from 3.1.25 was 2.46 meg's and 3,662 frames per second. Most 5 GHz solutions

Re: [WISPA] Re: 1st draft Spectrum Sharing Test-bed 06-89.doc

2006-06-16 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
I specifically left out the whitespaces because they are already on the table and may see movement at any time. I didn't want to put another 2 year hold on them Marlon(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services42846865 (icq) And I run my own

Re: [WISPA] Re: 1st draft Spectrum Sharing Test-bed 06-89.doc

2006-06-16 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
What is baseline testing in your context? Marlon(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message -

Re: [WISPA] Re: 1st draft Spectrum Sharing Test-bed 06-89.doc

2006-06-16 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
I attached the original FCC nprm to the email. Basically the FCC is asking if they should allocate 20 mhz (in two 10 mhz chunks) for testing. The spectrum will be part federal and part non federal spectrum. Here's the amazing kicker, this will be already allocated spectrum! They are

Re: [WISPA] OT: about 70Mbps for under $6K

2006-06-16 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
As you guys know I'm no routing expert. Take this with a grain of salt I've got two thoughts on all of this. First is, any technology we deploy on a software side should ride the existing network. I'm talking big picture not niche markets. A vpn should work as well on wifi as it does

[WISPA] Outsource 24 Hour Technical Support for HotSpot

2006-06-16 Thread Kelly Shaw
We have installed a set of HotSpots for a local Hotel. They are looking to us to provide 24 hour technical support for their clients on an as-needed basis. Since we are a small shop and I have no desire to answer calls at all hours in the morning, we are looking to see if there is a way we

RE: [WISPA] frame size and fps - was OT: about 70Mbps for under $ 6K

2006-06-16 Thread Patrick Leary
So I have more data for you Matt I just received about what firmware 4.0 delivers in terms of frame sizes and what it can mean to the business case. Remember, this is multipoint, not PtP. All Mbps numbers are NET throughput: Frame size Upstream Mbps/FPS Downstream Mbps/FPS 64

RE: [WISPA] OT: about 70Mbps for under $6K

2006-06-16 Thread Patrick Leary
On the Advantage line that may be true. The numbers I am using were given to me these past two weeks from current Canopy users with large networks. You have to remember, with most systems small packets drive down the usable capacity significantly. You are right that I need to do another batch of

RE: [WISPA] frame size and fps - was OT: about 70Mbps for under $ 6K

2006-06-16 Thread Paul Hendry
Are these figures in the lab? I have seen similar with a Mikrotik/N-Streme solution. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: 16 June 2006 19:57 To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] frame size and fps - was OT: about

[WISPA] Lost the link...

2006-06-16 Thread Blair Davis
A few weeks ago, I ran across a 2.4GHz 500mW amp that was a small cylinder with an n-male on one end and an n-female on the other. Slightly larger than the n-connecters and about 4-5 inches long But I seem to have lost the link to it. Anyone else seen this? -- Blair Davis AOL IM

Re: [WISPA] OT: about 70Mbps for under $6K

2006-06-16 Thread Jon Langeler
Brad, I'm not disputing the Alvarion numbers, they look great. Your statement below is absolutely true but this could get funny if your insisting on backing up that 8-10 number regarding Canopy... Jon Langeler Michwave Tech. Brad Larson wrote: John, Testing by Alvarion engineers has been

RE: [WISPA] OT: about 70Mbps for under $6K

2006-06-16 Thread Brad Larson
What I'm saying is data rates are only one part of doing voip. I know what Canopy can do...You said I'm sure you'll conclude that a Canopy AP/SU(14Mbps aggregate) could do a LOT more than 10 calls. Data rates have very little to do with a scaling voip system with and without internet. Brad

Re: [WISPA] OT: about 70Mbps for under $6K

2006-06-16 Thread Patrick Shoemaker
http://motorola.canopywireless.com/fp/downlink.php?id=81af5294d462cbcbf93ee9f1ea2599fd That moto whitepaper claims 26-28 calls per AP on the advantage platform using 50-50 up/down data ratio. Calls per AP drops to 13-18 when using 25-75 up/down ratio. Patrick Jon Langeler wrote: Patrick,

Re: [WISPA] OT: about 70Mbps for under $6K

2006-06-16 Thread Jon Langeler
It's theoretically possible to engineer up to 8 equally seperated connectorized Canopy backhauls on a tower using alternating polarizations and just one channel. Let's just say this is not something you'll find in the Canopy manual :-) Jon Langeler Michwave Tech. Travis Johnson wrote:

Re: [WISPA] OT: about 70Mbps for under $6K

2006-06-16 Thread Matt Liotta
You don't need connectorized backhauls. The sync functionality alone allows you to densely colocate backhauls. We've had as many as 5 Canopy backhauls mounted within feet of each other all operating on the same channel. -Matt On Jun 16, 2006, at 1:04 PM, Jon Langeler wrote: It's

Re: [WISPA] Lost the link...

2006-06-16 Thread Eric Merkel
On 6/16/06, Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A few weeks ago, I ran across a 2.4GHz 500mW amp that was a small cylinder with an n-male on one end and an n-female on the other. Slightly larger than the n-connecters and about 4-5 inches long But I seem to have lost the link to it.