Re: [WISPA] $100 CPE?

2006-06-28 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
Trango does not have a CPE that will work with my 802.11b system. 5ghz around here only gets me a tenth of a mile or so. Michigan is beautiful if trees is what you like. 5ghz only works sometimes on my backhauls if I can get up over 100ft. If they did that with 900, that would be news. A

[WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all?

2006-06-28 Thread Rick Smith
Anyone seen FON ? This is insane. Anyone test one yet ? I want to know what network their hotspot runs back to, so I can block it Can someone that might have one throw a sniffer against it ? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:

[WISPA] MikroTik RouterOS and DHCP

2006-06-28 Thread Jory Privett
I currently use the ISC DHCP server but want to switch to RouterOS. I use the dhcpd.conf file to specify host names and DNS registration for clients. Is there a way to access this file in the RouterOS system? Does RouterOS use a similar file for DHCP and if so can I access it? Can I setup a

RE: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality

2006-06-28 Thread Charles Wu
Title: Message out of curiosity (would like input from the pro net neutral people) -- would blocking something like FON constitute a violation of net neutrality? -Charles ---CWLabTechnology Architectshttp://www.cwlab.com -Original

RE: [WISPA] $100 CPE?

2006-06-28 Thread Charles Wu
And don't forget that it's WiFi vs. a proprietary engineered outdoor WISP protocol -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson

RE: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality

2006-06-28 Thread Rick Smith
Title: Message I stilldon't see why anyone should be able to use my network without paying me for the right to do so. PERIOD. I don't run a network for the benefit of the free world, I run it for the benefit of my checkbook. Which needs SERIOUS help. :) OK, and while we're at it, why is

Re: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer

2006-06-28 Thread pswired
The order has already been placed for these units and they should be arriving in the states shortly. I believe John ordered a few extras so if anyone wanted to get one who missed out on the GP they still can. I think he ordered 6080s with the memory expansion. I'm looking forward to trying mine

RE: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality

2006-06-28 Thread Butch Evans
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006, Charles Wu wrote: out of curiosity (would like input from the pro net neutral people) -- would blocking something like FON constitute a violation of net neutrality? I don't think you'll find many pro net neutral people on this list. I would have to say that most of

RE: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality

2006-06-28 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
Title: Message It is pretty much precluded by Roadrunners typical Terms of Service in their contract: (b) Subscriber will not resell the Service, or any portion thereof, or otherwise charge others to use the Service, or any portion thereof. The Service is for personal use only, and

RE: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality

2006-06-28 Thread Butch Evans
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006, Rick Smith wrote: OK, and while we're at it, why is net neutral good ? I admit The terminology here is somewhat confusing. The term net neutral seems to be used to describe two unrelated ideologies (both of which are bad, IMNSHO). One is the opposite view to what ATT

Re: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer

2006-06-28 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
He said he had one extra and 3-4 people what might still want one. I am going to wait for the feedback from those who ordered this time and if all goes well I might get in on the next order. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The order has already been placed for these units and they should be

Re: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington

2006-06-28 Thread Tom DeReggi
I'd also argue that the $50 one time cost of a router is not nearly enough compenasation for a home user to risk their connection security and performance, or what ever other features are getting forced on them by accepting the $5 router. Consdiering they are likely paying $50 PER MONTH for

Re: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington

2006-06-28 Thread Tom DeReggi
People just want it to work. Internet Access without support is a doomedmodel before the start, and will never be a win for anyone. As far as ISP's Internet bandwidth being stolen Thats why you do abndwdith management by Weighted Priority Method.Let them use the pipe as long as its

RE: [WISPA] $100 CPE?

2006-06-28 Thread tonylist
I am sure Charles and some are you are thinking the same thing I am on the 400mW unit, something just does not add up when manufactures are doing the same power and the cost of the card is the more then the cost of the full unit! I have not see this exact board but I have see a RTl8186 design that

Re: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington

2006-06-28 Thread Tom DeReggi
What a great idea. Bring on the $5 routers. Not only am I not having to spend the $50 to give away the routers myself, I can now sell them at $70 bucks.Many of my wifi users live in the middle of the woods with no possibility of a roaming user comming by capable to connect. Will they sell

Re: [WISPA] $100 CPE?

2006-06-28 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
There is a good opinion I was looking for. That is why I posted this so someone could tell me whats wrong with it. :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sure Charles and some are you are thinking the same thing I am on the 400mW unit, something just does not add up when manufactures are doing

Re: [WISPA] $100 CPE?

2006-06-28 Thread rabbtux rabbtux
I'll be darned, that picture shore looks like the Dlink di514/di524 we use in homes? :-) On 6/28/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sure Charles and some are you are thinking the same thing I am on the 400mW unit, something just does not add up when manufactures are doing the

Re: [WISPA] $100 CPE?

2006-06-28 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
Well... I've already found the sub 100 dollar CPE, I just need to import them. It has Atheros A/B/G capability, protected G mode, variable channel width capability, adjustable ack timing, and assorted otehr features.And yes, that has a replaceable a/b/g mini-pci card, POE capable and all.

Re: [WISPA] $100 CPE?

2006-06-28 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
Just what we need: A 400 mw device, that spews noise across most of the spectrum, coupled to a 12 db 60 degree wide beam antenna. Talk about blasting noise big time. {{ sigh }} North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales

Re: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington

2006-06-28 Thread Sam Tetherow
I just took a look at my graphs for 500 customers, mostly residential, and I'm running between 3 and 5 meg 8am to midnight. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Butch Evans wrote: On Tue, 27 Jun 2006, Travis Johnson wrote: 5GB per month is about a 28.8 dial-up connection running all month long.

Re: [WISPA] $100 CPE?

2006-06-28 Thread Mark Nash
No kidding...ease of installation at the expense of # of potential clients per sector. Sometimes there is a reason things cost. Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING has a price. If you're not paying for it here, you're paying for it somewhere else. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350

Re: [WISPA] $100 CPE?

2006-06-28 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
I set my cpe at 15dbm power, and use 18 db antennas. I have found this adequate for up to 18 miles. What do you need 400 mw for? North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet,

RE: [WISPA] $100 CPE?

2006-06-28 Thread Charles Wu
Cheap Taiwanese / Chinese / Foreign products also contain other hidden costs -- let's think conspiracy theories here =) There was a recent thread (on this list?) about Mikrotik RB532 boards spewing 1 Ghz OOB Noise when being powered w/ -48 VDC PoE (a faulty / cheap regulator -- wasn't following

Re: [WISPA] $100 CPE?

2006-06-28 Thread Sam Tetherow
Not that I disagree with your statement about cheap equipment and getting what you pay for, but the uncertified comment doesn't make any sense. You don't certify a POE, you certify the radio and antenna, or am I missing something here? Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Charles Wu wrote:

Re: [WISPA] Being the WISP Ambassador In My County...Your Input Requested...

2006-06-28 Thread Jack Unger
Jason, Here's one place for you to start. http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10hl=enlr=q=wireless+ispbtnG=Search jack Jason wrote: List, In a few days I am meeting with county officials to address the regulations, building codes, and permitting process for WISP's. When I first

Re: [WISPA] Missouri Crane service

2006-06-28 Thread J. Vogel
Correction: I should have said... about 75 miles WEST of St. Louis.. J. Vogel wrote: Sorry for the noise for those of you not familiar with Missouri, but does one of the Wisps on this list operating in Missouri have any recommendations for crane services I should contact to assist in removing

Re: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality

2006-06-28 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
Why don't we as an industry organization start putting net neutrality in clear light. We've got people running around using the net neutrality banner to demand unfiltered P2P use, unlimited data transfers, or that QOS NOT be implemented. I think it would be more constructive if we broke this up

RE: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality

2006-06-28 Thread Dustin Jurman
Tom, You have a lot of good points, but so does Charles and others, Why don't you petition WISPA and some of the other ISP organization to sponsor a Net Neutrality bakeoff. You can have views from the service provider aspects. What needs and will come out of it in the end will be the

[WISPA] Ok, what DO you want?

2006-06-28 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
Ok, so I found a vendor... Someone who is OEM'ing boards and products that are sold by and reccommended by respected members of this list. Salesman makes the following claims: for capabilities... Support for higher power, and a/b/g atheros mini-pci cards - supports 2.4 and 5 ghz bands. POE,

RE: [WISPA] Missouri Crane service

2006-06-28 Thread Mark McElvy
I know there is a crane service in Rolla, MO, never used them and don't know the name offhand. Did you buy that tower in St James? Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. 573.729.9200 - Office 573.729.9203 - Fax 573.247.9980 - Mobile http://www.accubak.com/ http://www.accubak.net/ Nationwide

Re: [WISPA] Ok, what DO you want?

2006-06-28 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
Isn't this still at least a $200 CPE? Mark Koskenmaki wrote: Ok, so I found a vendor... Someone who is OEM'ing boards and products that are sold by and reccommended by respected members of this list. Salesman makes the following claims: for capabilities... Support for higher power, and

Re: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington

2006-06-28 Thread Dylan Oliver
On 6/27/06, George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand the reasoning behind why a lot of operators want to dothis or think it's a good thing. But, in my market, cable and DSLdoesn't charge this way. And I'll have to admit that I like to do video across the net watching news

[WISPA] Trango M900 AP - Connectorized?

2006-06-28 Thread Mark Nash
I'm getting conflicting information from Trango sales reps, their online PDF datasheet and others who know the product. So... Does the M900 AP come connectorized? If so, what connector? My application is about 2 miles NLOS (many trees). Looking to do it with omni...don't have to go hpol.

Re: [WISPA] Missouri Crane service

2006-06-28 Thread J. Vogel
Thanks. I have a call in to Gabriele crane service in Rolla, but they haven't yet returned it. The tower is in St. James. John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mark McElvy wrote: I know there is a crane service in Rolla, MO, never used them and don't know the name offhand. Did you buy that tower in St

Re: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality

2006-06-28 Thread Dylan Oliver
On 6/28/06, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If it was, then it would be illegal to block hackers and criminals from using your network as well. As FON clearly has no concern for Acceptable Use Policiies, therefore illegal activity, and AUPs are clearly allowable and enforcable

Re: [WISPA] Trango M900 AP - Connectorized?

2006-06-28 Thread Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE
Mark Nash wrote: I'm getting conflicting information from Trango sales reps, their online PDF datasheet and others who know the product. So... Does the M900 AP come connectorized? If so, what connector? My application is about 2 miles NLOS (many trees). Looking to do it with omni...don't

Re: [WISPA] Ok, what DO you want?

2006-06-28 Thread N White
Is this an all-in-one antenna included, or not? Mark Koskenmaki wrote: Ok, so I found a vendor... Someone who is OEM'ing boards and products that are sold by and reccommended by respected members of this list. Salesman makes the following claims: for capabilities... Support for higher

Re: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality

2006-06-28 Thread David E. Smith
Dylan Oliver wrote: http://en.fon.com/biz/isps_friends.php. (i) have a FON Social Router or a router that is compatible with the FON Software and (ii) have a contract with an ISP that permits the FONero to share bandwidth. And how many of your customers actually read all the fine print in

RE: [WISPA] Trango M900 AP - Connectorized?

2006-06-28 Thread Mac Dearman
Mark, The M900AP (every one of them) have your choice of either integrated HPOL or VPOL antenna's that is software switchable or external antenna fitting. The external antenna fitting is a RP-SMA. I have several of the PAC Wireless V Pol antennas that I tried, but the noise in the sticks in the

RE: [WISPA] Trango M900 AP - Connectorized?

2006-06-28 Thread JNA
Yes - RP-SMA John Buwa Michiana Wireless -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 6:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Trango M900 AP - Connectorized? I'm getting conflicting

Re: [WISPA] Ok, what DO you want?

2006-06-28 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
it is what I said it is... a board, atheros based radio, power supply. For a full cpe you'll need a pigtail, enclosure, and antenna. That makes it about 140 to 170. I very much dislike rootennas, and haven't seen any alternatives I like. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal