Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill toencouragehighspeedinternet access in rural areas]

2006-08-09 Thread David Sovereen
Since when do the people on this list support taxation, waste, and government subsidies? Why should the burden of providing high-speed Internet to people in underserved (typically rural) areas fall on the shoulders of taxpayers? I don't want my taxes to pay to expand your network or for Joe User

Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill toencouragehighspeedinternet access in rural areas]

2006-08-09 Thread Cliff Leboeuf
So David, I guess it is fair for me to assume that you don't agree the the government paying some NOT to grow wheat or NOT to raise pigs so that those that DO can survive on a reasonable profit margin and not be flooded by over production creating too much product for not enough demand...? :)

Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces billtoencouragehighspeedinternet access in rural areas]

2006-08-09 Thread David Sovereen
Your assumption is correct. Using your example of wheat, if you let free markets operate, then farmers who couldn't survive growing wheat would stop growing wheat and switch to a crop that would make them more money. I believe that all government subsidies should be eliminated and that we should

RE: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill toencouragehighspeedinternetaccess in rural areas]

2006-08-09 Thread Mac Dearman
I could take offense pretty easy at most of your comments - - so I will just choose to NOT make any comments at all :) Regards from deep in rural Louisiana, Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC Rayville, La. www.inetsouth.com www.mac-tel.us (VoIP Sales) www.radioresponse.org (Katrina Relief)

Re: [WISPA] Durbin introduces ...

2006-08-09 Thread Peter R.
That's a naive thought, especially in a global economy where many governments subsidize. But this really isn't the place for politics, right? - Peter David Sovereen wrote: Your assumption is correct. Using your example of wheat, if you let free markets operate, then farmers who couldn't

RE: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces billtoencouragehighspeedinternetaccess in rural areas]

2006-08-09 Thread David Weddell
I wrote a 5 paragraph response to David as well on this subject, then erased it all. I am with you Mac and will choose to NOT make any derogatory comments at all. It just a shame to see all of these government programs being given to the RBOC's and others that abuse the money. Regards from rural

[WISPA] Lightning hits

2006-08-09 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
I have a Canopy 900 that is getting taken out from static. Until I can get the right solution in place to prevent this, I have a question. If I unplug the power from the radio when a storm is coming will the radio survive? It is still in the air, but there is no power to it. I am trying to

Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill toencouragehighspeedinternet access in rural areas]

2006-08-09 Thread George Rogato
Not that I agree with you 100%, but I've seen people move here and assume broadband was available to them. When they find out they can't have it they all say I make my living on the net and I need it bad I always wonder what they were thinking. Anyways, government funding is fine if done

Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill toencouragehighspeedinternet access in rural areas]

2006-08-09 Thread Travis Johnson
Yes, I totally DISAGREE with the government paying people to NOT grow crops. What ever happened to supply and demand? I thought that was lesson #1 in Economics. Travis Microserv Cliff Leboeuf wrote: So David, I guess it is fair for me to assume that you don't agree the the government

RE: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introducesbilltoencouragehighspeedinternetaccess in rural areas]

2006-08-09 Thread JohnnyO
5 Paragraphs ? I had to delete an entire page. David doesn't realize just how much of the rural tax $$ goes to support City living and that if it weren't for rural american coming into and shopping in City, Cities wouldn't have the programs or $$ that it has. For the rest of my feelings, Its best

Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill to encourage high speedinternet access in rural areas]

2006-08-09 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
- Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill to encourage high speedinternet access in rural areas] Replies below: Marlon K. Schafer

Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill to encourage high speedinternet access in rural areas]

2006-08-09 Thread Tom DeReggi
too much money is going to loans and not enough to grants. Where does it say it supports that? If people want to see the government do positive things then they have to be part of the effort That I agree with. A small StartUp in MD, got the state government to back their inititive with a

Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill toencouragehighspeedinternetaccess in rural areas]

2006-08-09 Thread Tom DeReggi
Farmers do not have the abilty to live in the city. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: David Sovereen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 9:57 AM Subject: Re:

RE: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill toencouragehighspeedinternetaccess in rural areas]

2006-08-09 Thread chris cooper
America wants cheap food. Period. In the past, cattle took better than 30 months to reach slaughter weight on grass. Under current industrialized agricultural methods cattle can go from birth to the meat case in less than 12 months. Its very similar for chickens, hogs or any other common

Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill toencouragehighspeedinternetaccess in rural areas]

2006-08-09 Thread Tom DeReggi
I personally beleive it should be the local cities taking the loans from the federal governement, so they can distribute grants to local providers. Payback justified by increased local taxes (paid by users of the service) as they become more productive as economic development grows. Tom

Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces billtoencouragehighspeedinternetaccess in rural areas]

2006-08-09 Thread Jeremy Davis
David Weddell wrote: I wrote a 5 paragraph response to David as well on this subject, then erased it all. I am with you Mac and will choose to NOT make any derogatory comments at all. It just a shame to see all of these government programs being given to the RBOC's and others that abuse the

Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill toencouragehighspeedinternetaccess in rural areas]

2006-08-09 Thread Travis Johnson
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[WISPA] ARC Wireless Cat5 cable (need to order)

2006-08-09 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
I ran out of cable and ARC wireless is waiting for 35k foot of cable to be in their Q before they order. Last time I ordered it was .689 cents a foot for the outdoor gel filled with drain wire. But the raw materials have gone up 40% I hear. So we'd be doing good to get it $100 to $120 a

[WISPA] Taxation to support rural internet service (WAS: Senator Durbin....)

2006-08-09 Thread Butch Evans
On Wed, 9 Aug 2006, David Sovereen wrote: Since when do the people on this list support taxation, waste, and government subsidies? Why should the burden of providing high-speed Internet to people in underserved (typically rural) areas fall on the shoulders of taxpayers? I don't want my

[WISPA] Taxation to support rural internet service (WAS: Senator Durbin....)

2006-08-09 Thread Butch Evans
On Wed, 9 Aug 2006, David Sovereen wrote: Since when do the people on this list support taxation, waste, and government subsidies? Why should the burden of providing high-speed Internet to people in underserved (typically rural) areas fall on the shoulders of taxpayers? I don't want my

Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces billtoencouragehighspeedinternetaccess in rural areas]

2006-08-09 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Oh boy, this is gonna be GREAT (said in my best Animal House voice) Unlike some others here I'm gonna take this on. Please feel free to expand on my thoughts as needed. WISPA is a political organization guys. We work with the FCC, congress, state and local governments. Eventually

RE: [WISPA] ARC Wireless Cat5 cable (need to order)

2006-08-09 Thread Rick Harnish
Brian, Try http://www.kendallelectric.com/locations.asp. We buy a lot of cable from them. There should be a location close to you. Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 12:48

[WISPA] Durbin Bill Follow-Up.

2006-08-09 Thread Sascha Meinrath
Hi all, When I met with Durbin's staff at the end of July, we talked a lot about provisions 1 3 that are now in the bill. However, I've also just learned that there may be a poison pill in the bill that makes unlicensed use of the TV broadcast spectrum illegal (which is also something that

Re: [WISPA] Taxation to support rural internet service (WAS: SenatorDurbin....)

2006-08-09 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
Butch... It's all nice and great to think that a little bit of money can go a long ways to improving rural life... But, we live in the real world, where handouts go to those most adept at grabbing them, not providing what they're supposed to be used for. The money is with the telcos, the lawyers

RE: [WISPA] Lightning hits

2006-08-09 Thread Chad Halsted
I'm not 100% sure, but my first inclination would be no. If lightning hits your tower and the equipment/tower is not properly grounded with surge suppression in place, it will get blown, whether it is powered up or not. Current is still going to flow through the radio; it just won't make it out

Re: [WISPA] Lightning hits

2006-08-09 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
I am not worried about lightning strikes because I cannot stop that. Mostly the part where stuff catches on fire. The problem seems to lie in the fact that I have an 11ft tall omni that is the second tallest thing on the tower and it sucks in static like a vaccum and takes out the RF side.

RE: [WISPA] Lightning hits

2006-08-09 Thread Chad Halsted
I really don't think it's going to make a difference. If it's pulling in that much energy through the antenna, it's got to go somewhere, and the only place it can go is through your pigtail strait to the radio. If the radio isn't properly grounded to the tower, and the tower properly grounded to

Re: [WISPA] Taxation to support rural internet service (WAS: SenatorDurbin....)

2006-08-09 Thread Butch Evans
On Wed, 9 Aug 2006, Mark Koskenmaki wrote: Butch... It's all nice and great to think that a little bit of money can go a long ways to improving rural life... Perhaps you didn't read the whole message I posted. It sounds like you are trying to disagree by saying the same thing I did. --

Re: [WISPA] Lightning hits

2006-08-09 Thread Ron Wallace
Hey Brian, You should have a lightning arrestor between the antenna and radio, well grounded to the tower, also an arrestor between the radio and your red barn, well grounded. That should protect the radio as well as can be. 7/1/05, my tower was hit, I had all the arrestors in place, and well

RE: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill toencouragehighspeedinternetaccess in rural areas]

2006-08-09 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
Scriv, I agree with you now. It feels right. But, this country has risen to the occasion, during different parts of its growth, to make spectacularly prescient moves...the TVA, rural provisioning of telephony, and the Interstate highways notwithstanding. It has also made very dumb

[WISPA] Spectrum Auction Began Today

2006-08-09 Thread Rick Harnish
August 9, 2006 FOR SALE: Spectrum By Roy Mark Let the bidding begin. Wednesday morning, the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) opens its advanced wireless services (AWS) auction with hopes of bagging as much as $15 billion from cell phone providers, cable companies,

RE: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbinintroduces billtoencouragehighspeedinternetaccess in rural areas]

2006-08-09 Thread Jeff Broadwick
C'mon back! We miss you! :-) Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeremy Davis Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 12:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbinintroduces

Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces billtoencouragehighspeedinternetaccess in rural areas]

2006-08-09 Thread Cliff Leboeuf
I'm glad that my office lost power for over an hour. I got to read your email in full. (ISP running on generator though :) On 8/9/06 11:56 AM, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh boy, this is gonna be GREAT (said in my best Animal House voice) Unlike some

[WISPA] [Fwd: Wireless Connectivity Company for Sale]

2006-08-09 Thread George Rogato
Figured this may be of interest to some of us who are interested in isp valuations, or at least the asking price. George ---BeginMessage--- Hello, An established, high-margin company has become available. The company enables hotels, apartment buildings and commercial buildings with wireless

RE: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introducesbilltoencouragehighspeedinternetaccess in rural areas]

2006-08-09 Thread chris cooper
Marlon- I agree with you - Subsidies aren't just hand outs so some hayseed farmer can sit on the porch all day spittin redman at the dog. Its much more clever and insidious than that. Americans spend tax $$ on Agricultural Subsidies and get to eat crap, sometimes literally, for their investment.

Re: [WISPA] Taxation to support rural internet service (WAS:SenatorDurbin....)

2006-08-09 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
I read your statement... I'm not disagreeing, particularly with the sentiment, just the reasoning. And, suggesting an alternative. - Original Message - From: Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 12:05 PM Subject: