Re: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-24 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
Geez Patrick, go to bed!!! Get some rest Seriously, this is a great list. Definitely shows how the VL is a completely different animal than the other options out there. Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Patrick Leary wrote: I believe most if not all of the below are features not found

Re: [WISPA] ARIN IP Application

2006-09-24 Thread David E. Smith
Carl A Jeptha wrote: My upstream is trying to obtain a set of ip numbers to use between ourselves, but ARIN is rejecting the application because they feel that we do not require or have use for our own ip numbers. If you're trying to get the IPs for your network, you should probably apply

RE: [WISPA] RB153

2006-09-24 Thread JNA
I see that now. I was then looking at the 532 but the spec sheet on the web does not list power consumption limits? Does anyone know if a RB532 and daughter card can handle 3 SR9's? Or a single RB 532 with 2 SR9's? I need to sectorize a pop with 3 120 sectors each into a SR9 and I want to stay as

Re: [WISPA] ARIN IP Application

2006-09-24 Thread Carl A Jeptha
We ourselves, right now need 32. And no, we are not multi-homed. You have a Good Day now, Carl A Jeptha http://www.airnet.ca Office Phone: 905 349-2084 Office Hours: 9:00am - 5:00pm skype cajeptha David E. Smith wrote: Carl A Jeptha wrote: My upstream is trying to obtain a set of ip

RE: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-24 Thread Brad Belton
No, no...stay up! grin Good to see Patrick decided to engage the pros and cons of the VL product! Now maybe we can get some traction on offering up the improvements the VL product sorely needs. Surely Alvarion wants to improve the product right? The pros Patrick lists are certainly impressive,

RE: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-24 Thread Patrick Leary
Brad, Software controlled dual polarity might be nice. Not sure why you consistently harp on us though since no one else has it either other than your longtime preferred vendor. I am not as convinced about your complaint about RSSI. Is it just used to RSSI like being used to feet in stead of

RE: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-24 Thread G. villarini
Patrick, Rssi is very important to determine if a link is properly aligned and its achieving its link budget. Altough we don’t use alvarion(yet), we are currently researching backhaul options and the way we comission ptp links here is that we run the calcs on radio mobile and spreedsheet to

Re: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-24 Thread Matt Liotta
I have yet to use an Alvarion radio or for that matter one without RSSI. However, I would think that using SNR is a perfectly reasonable way to align a link. -Matt G. villarini wrote: Patrick, Rssi is very important to determine if a link is properly aligned and its achieving its link

Re: [WISPA] ARIN IP Application

2006-09-24 Thread David E. Smith
Carl A Jeptha wrote: We ourselves, right now need 32. And no, we are not multi-homed. 32, as in a total of 32 IP addresses? If that's the case, they shouldn't need to involve ARIN at all. They should just SWIP that little teensy allocation out of their own space to you. (ARIN usually

Re: [WISPA] ARIN IP Application

2006-09-24 Thread Matt Liotta
David E. Smith wrote: (ARIN usually doesn't need to be involved unless you're working with at least a /22 allocation, which is 1024 IPs.) ARIN could be involved if you have a swiped /24 or bigger and want to multi-home. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

RE: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-24 Thread Patrick Leary
I should have also noted that per the info below, most Alvarion operators simply have a policy that they will only connect subscribers for whom a minimum number of the green LEDs will fire and hold. For example, having 4 for of the 8 green LEDs light should get you a link with the best mod

RE: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-24 Thread Gino A. Villarini
The problem with SNR for alignment purposes is that you are dealing with a variable in noise, with rssi you work with fixed numbers. Im not dissing SNR, it is extremely important, But for example, in order to trouble shoot a link let say I install a Link and Im seeing a a SNR of 6 on this

RE: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-24 Thread Brad Belton
Exactly, and this is can be compounded on a new installation as you might be seeing noise or could it be you are just misaligned? Techs are creatures of habit. They may think 4 LED bars is all that is ever needed because thats what they typically see. The next install they throw up a

RE: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-24 Thread Patrick Leary
If the general concensus is that RSSI is a must, then I will try to convince PM to add such a reading. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of

Re: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-24 Thread John Scrivner
Not to beat the horse here but I think having SNR, RSSI and Noise readings are all things people should have in an advanced platform. Granted if you have any two you can get the third but just having it all right there seems logical to me. I am guessing the system could easily derive all three

[WISPA] Anyone know where to get these???

2006-09-24 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
http://www.wneweb.com/wireless/wireless_mini-pci.htm I'm interested in the DCMA-82 The MIMO stuff looks interesting too... but I dunno what you gotta do for an antenna array... +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me

RE: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-24 Thread Patrick Leary
Deal. For sure I will ask them to add the reading in the firmware. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Sunday, September

RE: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-24 Thread Brad Belton
Agreed, VL does have more niche features and some of those can be the sole reason VL makes the cut and other products do not. As you know VLAN support was the key feature in this particular case, but simply placing a CPE router on site will also fill that need. I'm a believer in the VL product,

Re: [WISPA] Anyone know where to get these???

2006-09-24 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
And how about these? http://www.zcomax.co.uk/doc/GZ-901.pdf +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net - Original

[WISPA] Aligning with the SNR meter

2006-09-24 Thread Patrick Leary
Here is the bit from the manual about aligning the CPE using the alignment meter. Please let me know what is missing and why RSSI is needed in addition. - Patrick From section 3.2, page 49 (of 277) of the VL System Manual, July 2006 Aligning the Subscriber Unit Antenna The SNR bar display is

Re: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-24 Thread Tom DeReggi
Gino, The prices you state seem way low. I've only see nthat on temporar or Ebay type buying. Is their a CONSISTENT source for $225 and $550 pricing in less than 25 qty? I believe that anyone that is required to buy in qty higher than 25 to get best price is getting overly burdened and

Re: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-24 Thread Tom DeReggi
Trango is no where near $400 for Atlas Foxes. Trango's Atlas Fox's distance without dish is just about the same as the standard Canopy CPE (same DBI antenna). Remember that Trango lists retail on their site to protest the WISP. Low volume WISP special pricing is granted to any WISP. Tom

RE: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-24 Thread Patrick Leary
There are arguments against dual band support, as we have discussed before, though you ridicule our sincere reasoning and call it BS (which is why I am cautious about discussing these things with you in public). As I said to you, our RD folks tell me that RF components that span a broad frequency

RE: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-24 Thread Patrick Leary
So what is the onesy-twosy price of a Trango Atlas with an extended range antenna? What is the price for a Canopy Advantage CPE with extended range? I have plenty of data I've found, but there seems to be some wide discrepancy here among you folks. How about total cost for a Canopy cluster with

Re: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-24 Thread Matt Liotta
A quick look at Trango's and Alvarion's data sheets seem to show that Alvarion has a higher receive sensitivity, which would seem to confirm your statement. -Matt Patrick Leary wrote: There are arguments against dual band support, as we have discussed before, though you ridicule our sincere

Re: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-24 Thread Tom DeReggi
To be fair, you shouldn't leave out OEM products from the discussion (Mikrotik / StarOS) These products are actually competitors to all the lines that were listed herein. I think the best decission, may be more relevant to what capacity that a WISP intends to need, and finance ability for the

Re: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-24 Thread Tom DeReggi
Are you saying that Motorola holds the financing? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 11:18 AM Subject: RE:

Re: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-24 Thread Tom DeReggi
No it gives you 10 or 10 half duplex, which is a big difference. Symetrical does not necessarilly mean at the same time. Comcast and Verizon use oversubscription the their advantage in marketing, we use Half Duplex. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

RE: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-24 Thread Patrick Leary
These are good and important questions Tom. I think StarOS and Mikrotik offer tremendous value for some WISPs, but it really depends. One big thing it depends on is the operator's exit strategy. Once that money is spent on a home brew solution, I'm not sure it ever comes back. BreezeACCESS VL is

RE: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-24 Thread Patrick Leary
Hi Tom. What hardware features are you referring to? Patrick This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code,

RE: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-24 Thread Gino A. Villarini
Tom, I can give you some Canopy buying tips off line ... Also I would like to add that the $150 Trango fox is basically useless with the Dish, putting its true price to $250 or so ... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145

RE: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-24 Thread Gino A. Villarini
Tom, Can you achieve a solid link with the Trango Atals Fox for more than 1 mile ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi

RE: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-24 Thread Gino A. Villarini
Trango Atlas CPE with dish $250? Canopy with dish $275 Canopy Advantage Cluster: 6 Ap's @ $1500 each = $9k (you can start your pop with a fcc certified omni unit for $2.7k and evolve to a full sector later) CMM Micro for Power and Sync = $1.5k *optional BAM - Prizm = $2k *optional The CMM Micro

***SPAM*** RE: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-24 Thread Chuck
. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 3:44 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] vendor specs Trango Atlas CPE with dish $250? Canopy with dish $275 Canopy Advantage Cluster: 6

[WISPA] Kudos to Scriv!

2006-09-24 Thread Mike Cowan
Hi all, I just have to say how much I enjoy working in the WISP marketplace. One of my customers had a power supply failure this weekend. No inexpensive way to get a replacement to them, and no, no spare on hand. I looked at our client map and saw Mount Vernon.net was close to them. One

RE: [WISPA] Outsourced installations

2006-09-24 Thread Rick Smith
the answer is hire a company to do installations for you.  if your employee just happens to own that company, well, oh well… It’s all invoices.   Pay them as normal, and you don’t need to worry about taxes, etc.  Your employee (or sub’d company J…) does that on their own. From:

Re: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-24 Thread Jack Unger
Patrick, Good list. One question that I have... Does the VL use polling or is it CSMA/CA? Your list says it is not some basic CSMA/CA but does that mean it is or is not CSMA/CA? Thanks very much, jack Patrick Leary wrote: I believe most if not all of the below are

RE: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-24 Thread Brad Belton
So like I suggested before simply put another $40 Atheros radio in there tuned to 5.3GHz. This has been mentioned before by more than just me. How is that a simple CM9 (Atheros radio) is capable of 5.3GHz and 5.8GHz with little or no degradation? I think your RD folks are not being as

RE: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-24 Thread Brad Belton
lolyou are kidding right Patrick? Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 5:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] vendor specs Hi Tom. What hardware features are you

Re: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-24 Thread Anthony Will
Yes, Motorola provides a service to any customer that purchases or has a canopy product installed for service. This is a $40 mail in rebate that has to have a unique MAC address of the radio installed supplied. The end customer receives this rebate from Motorola. The ISP is prohibited from

RE: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-24 Thread Patrick Leary
Whats to kid about? What features? Unless plastic with little options or choice except those ungainly reflectors are considered a benefit in the hardware. Patrick From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 6:45

Re: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-24 Thread Travis Johnson
Ahhh... there's always a catch... so now Motorola has your customer's address and can use that for their own marketing, etc. without you ever knowing. They could possibly even sell the list to someone (ClearWire) down the road and you would never know. Travis Microserv Anthony Will wrote:

RE: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-24 Thread Patrick Leary
Speaking of Clearwire, folks here are aware that Motorola now owns NextNet, the hardware supplier to Clearwire (that once was part of Clearwire, at least in ownership terms), right? The purchase was IN ADDITION to the $300M investment Motorola made into Clearwire

Re: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-24 Thread Anthony Will
No, it is my understanding that within the contractual terms of the agreement they are not allowed to directly solicit or sell my customers information. Anthony Will Travis Johnson wrote: Ahhh... there's always a catch... so now Motorola has your customer's address and can use that for their