Re: [WISPA] lightning

2006-10-07 Thread KyWiFi LLC
Lightning is by far the largest threat to our WISP. It would be interesting to know the typical CPE failure rate (due to lightning) experienced by WISP's. I know that we'll replace 10% (+/- 5%) this year due to lightning. We use the $30 Citel brand Cat5 surge protectors on both ends of the outdoor

RE: [WISPA] lightning

2006-10-07 Thread Harold Bledsoe
I have a friend that is a tech for VZ and goes around replacing cell gear hit by lightning. Even with the protection that VZ puts on their equipment, grounding, surge arrestors, etc., let's just say he gets a lot of overtime during the summer. ;-) No matter what you do to try to protect the

Re: [WISPA] lightning

2006-10-07 Thread Jason Hensley
Actually, I've been fairly lucky. The only lightning losses I've had were on my tower. I've got one CPE that may have been taken out by lightning, but it came through the house and blew a LOT of other stuff as well. To me, to add $30 per install doesn't make sense when I've only lost 1

Re: [WISPA] lightning

2006-10-07 Thread Jenco Wireless
I lost 15% of my CPE's one year. It was a dry Summer (I theorize the earth was not conducting well), then we had a couple of bad storms. Using a $1.50 inductor on the Ethernet cable near the radios really seems to have helped a lot. Brad Hagstrom On 10/7/06, Jason Hensley [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [WISPA] WDS PtMP

2006-10-07 Thread Anthony Will
On thing I forgot to mention is that every single packet transmitted is going to be retransmitted on all the WDS/AP connected together on the wireless side. With sustained traffic that would mean that all of them are transmitting and receiving the 2 megs mentioned. And we can assume that

Re: [WISPA] lightning

2006-10-07 Thread KyWiFi LLC
Can you share some info on the $1.50 inductor you reference below? Do you then ground the inductor to the mounting arm which is then grounded to an earth ground? Please share if you don't mind, inquiring minds would LOVE to know. ;-) Also, where are the bulk of your subscribers located

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced installations

2006-10-07 Thread KyWiFi LLC
We pay $10 - $30 to a sub-contractor to do a site survey and we usually have 5 - 10 of them a week. This has been an expense we've absorbed but starting in the next few days, we will be passing this fee along to the person requesting the site survey. If their site survey is successful and they

Re: [WISPA] lightning

2006-10-07 Thread Jenco Wireless
http://pdfcatalog.digikey.com/T063/1150.pdf#search=%22digikey%20240-2318-nd%22 I use the 240-2318-ND (towards the bottom of the page). Just wrap the Ethernet cable through it as many times as possible. You have to purchase 100 to get that low, low price I mentioned :-). We are located in Ohio.

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced installations

2006-10-07 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, We stopped doing site surveys almost 4 years ago. We were spending way too much time and having to send someone to the location twice seemed like a waste. (some of our coverage area is a 2 hour drive each way) We now have coverage maps and tell people we no longer do site surveys. Based

Re: [WISPA] lightning

2006-10-07 Thread Dylan Oliver
On 10/7/06, Jenco Wireless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://pdfcatalog.digikey.com/T063/1150.pdf#search=%22digikey%20240-2318-nd%22 I use the 240-2318-ND (towards the bottom of the page). Just wrap the Ethernet cable through it as many times as possible. You have to purchase 100 to get that low,

Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle / Global signal

2006-10-07 Thread Tom DeReggi
How do you figure? Crown Castle is a nightmare to work with, and Global Signal has worked well with WISPS. I hope Crown Castle takes Global Signal's good sense with the purchase. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Blake

Re: [WISPA] WDS PtMP

2006-10-07 Thread Tom DeReggi
Marlon, For clarification 1) Yes 5.250-5.350 is for outdoor, but I temporarilly put my radio to a channel under 5.25 which is in the 5.1 band for indoor only use, for the temporary testing. 2) My primary goal in the original post was to learn the difference between Wifi Station/client

Re: [WISPA] wireless fiber revisited

2006-10-07 Thread Tom DeReggi
It doesn;t really matter, because the Proxim GB 60Ghz PTP radio is a nice radio, and not likely to get discontinued who ever ends up owning the change ownership happy Proxim. The bigger question is wether 60Ghz will meet your need. The real excitement is in the 70 Ghz and 80Ghz bands, that

Re: [WISPA] WDS PtMP

2006-10-07 Thread Tom DeReggi
To be clear, Mikrotik us being used, and the 4 remote building are in wds station mode and only configured to talk to the 1 central master WDS AP, the four client WDS radios are not configured to talk to each other. So all the CPE radios only have one hop to the APconnected to the Internet

Re: [WISPA] lightning

2006-10-07 Thread Jenco Wireless
Contrary to popular belief, lightning likes to follow the path of least inductance. Inductance is the resistance to a change in current flow. All I can say is that they have worked for me. On 10/7/06, Dylan Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/7/06, Jenco Wireless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [WISPA] WDS PtMP

2006-10-07 Thread Tom DeReggi
every single packet transmitted is going to be retransmitted on all the WDS/AP connected together on the wireless side. Is that really true, in this type of configuration, Mikrotik 4 stationsWDS, 1 AP WDS? I'm not sure that these units re-transmit the data. Remember their is no data that

Re: [WISPA] WDS PtMP

2006-10-07 Thread Tom DeReggi
To be clear... Client1 -wire---\ ___ WDS Station --RF\ Client2 -wire---/\_ WDS AP --wire--Backhaul to Internet / Client3 -wire---\ ___ WDS Station --RF---/ Client4 -wire---/

Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle / Global signal

2006-10-07 Thread Blake Bowers
Exactly. Crown is a nightmare if you are not a carrier, and they are doing the assimiliation. Smaller tower owners will continue to cater to the smaller companies, the WISPS, and continue to gain their business. - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA

Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle / Global signal

2006-10-07 Thread D. Ryan Spott
It seems we (people on this list) are always easily dismissed by large tower owners. These dismissals are often in the form of here, pay this $! fee up front to deal with us or who are you again? or my favorite and one that was told to me by an American Tower Rep: we don't deal with

Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle / Global signal

2006-10-07 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, The problem is that cell carriers (at least in my area) pay $500 - $2,000 per month to be on a tower... the same towers that I pay $100 - $250 per month. If you owned the towers, which customer would _you_ rather have? :( Travis Microserv D. Ryan Spott wrote: It seems we (people on

[WISPA] Independent Towers

2006-10-07 Thread rwf
The conglomerate tower owners know that there are only so many broadband (cellular) carriers to go around. The prices will drop for the WISPs as soon as the broadband business runs out! Cellular buildout cannot go on forever. There are plenty of independent tower owners who will welcome the WISP

[WISPA] Re: Crown Castle / Global signal

2006-10-07 Thread Justin Wilson
I can't even get a ballpark price on some of their towers. I would like to know if I am wasting my time (and theirs). I have 3 towers in mind I would like to get on of theirs. Justin -- Life is unfair, but root password Helps --- Justin S. Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] CCNA - A+ - CCNT - TAT - ACSA