Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain

2006-11-08 Thread Mark Nash - Lists
Man, it sounds like you need a business plan to get out of that town. Your network, I mean. You'll most likely need to either sell out, buy out the other WISP, or branch out either with your wireless network or establish a POP in another town. Do one of these things before you get burned

Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain

2006-11-08 Thread Larry Yunker
900Mhz noise sources: 1) Paging Systems 2) Other 900Mhz-based Broadband providers 3) Cordless Telephones 4) SCADA (utility monitoring and management systems) 5) Meter Readers 6) Power or Pipeline Companies (often used for non-SCADA-based monitoring) 7) Other consumer devices (baby monitors,

Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain

2006-11-08 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
inline Mark Nash - Lists wrote: Man, it sounds like you need a business plan to get out of that town. Your network, I mean. You'll most likely need to either sell out, buy out the other WISP, or branch out either with your wireless network or establish a POP in another town. Do one of

Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain

2006-11-08 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
Larry Yunker wrote: 900Mhz noise sources: 1) Paging Systems is is likely new sites are being deployed? 2) Other 900Mhz-based Broadband providers should be able to channel plan and work with them 3) Cordless Telephones shouldn't effect me THAT much 4) SCADA (utility monitoring

[WISPA] Vonage and Fax

2006-11-08 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
Will a vonage # and service work with a fax machine? Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax

2006-11-08 Thread Mark McElvy
No personal experience, but have seen a discussion in the past that everyone said it was hit and miss, mostly miss. Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. 573.729.9200 - Office 573.729.9203 - Fax 573.247.9980 - Mobile http://www.accubak.com/ http://www.accubak.net/ Nationwide Internet Access

Re: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax

2006-11-08 Thread Brian Whigham
Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Will a vonage # and service work with a fax machine? I wouldn't count on it. The service needs to have T.38 compatibility. I believe that BroadVoice offers that. but, you could get a separate fax service which forwards fax to your email. I think that would be a

Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain

2006-11-08 Thread Larry Yunker
Larry Yunker wrote: 900Mhz noise sources: 1) Paging Systems is is likely new sites are being deployed? It is likely that SOMEONE has already licensed the spectrum... If there is a market for pager services, they will eventually deploy. If there is no perceived market, they will likely sit

RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax

2006-11-08 Thread Rick Smith
nod, mostly miss. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 9:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax No personal experience, but have seen a discussion in the past that

RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax

2006-11-08 Thread Brad Belton
It is hit and miss for multiple page faxes, but for the most part 1-3 pages will almost always go through. If you tell Vonage the line is going to be used for a fax machine they can make changes to improve fax performance. Also, some faxes will perform better than others. I believe Vonage has a

RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax

2006-11-08 Thread David Weddell
Always a miss with Vonage on faxing. They continue to bring in a LOT of business based on the advertising that it works though. Imagine that. Regards, David Weddell Director of Sales 260 827 2551 Office 800 363 4881 Ext 2551 260 273 7547 Cell www.onlyinternet.net www.oibw.net

Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain

2006-11-08 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, Buy a vertical omni and do a site survey. If everything looks clear, install it. Hook up customers. However, when/if the noise starts, be prepared to sectorize. :) Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Let me add a little about what I have to work with. There are 4036 people in the

Re: [WISPA] on call staff

2006-11-08 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, That's not legal (at least not in Idaho). Someone on salary still can only work 40 hours per week unless they are a manager, meaning they have 3 people under them, or they are a professional position (lawyer, doctor, etc.). One of my friends owns a drafting company. Had everyone on

Re: [WISPA] on call staff

2006-11-08 Thread David E. Smith
Travis Johnson wrote: That's not legal (at least not in Idaho). Someone on salary still can only work 40 hours per week unless they are a manager, meaning they have 3 people under them, or they are a professional position (lawyer, doctor, etc.). My business card says Network Administrator,

[WISPA] Client loss during longer AP outagage[late nite AP service window]

2006-11-08 Thread rabbtux rabbtux
All, I've seen this situation now several times, and wonder if someone on the list has an explaination for it. Last week we took down one of our APs (802.11b) for several hours to replace it with a new one. We ran into some issues and had to fall back to using the original system. We brought

Re: [WISPA] Client loss during longer AP outagage[late nite AP service window]

2006-11-08 Thread David E. Smith
rabbtux rabbtux wrote: Of the 25 subs, 4 or 5 CPEs did not re-associate with the AP. All was cleared up when customers called were instructed to recycle power to outdoor CPEs. This situation happened to 3 different types of CPEs that we have in the field for this AP. I don't think that's

Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain

2006-11-08 Thread Lonnie Nunweiler
Brian, Your numbers are about what we face here. We live in a valley, so we have AP sites that are at least 1,000 feet above the valley floor and we can simply point each antenna up or down the valley and we get enough side lobe to cover the breadth of the valley A standard AP for us is 4

Re: [WISPA] Client loss during longer AP outagage[late nite AP service window]

2006-11-08 Thread Lonnie Nunweiler
What are the brands of the client units? They might very well have the same gear inside which could account for the similar behaviour. Lonnie On 11/8/06, rabbtux rabbtux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, I've seen this situation now several times, and wonder if someone on the list has an

RE: [WISPA] on call staff

2006-11-08 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Put 'em on salary, that way you can work them as much as you want without guilt. ;) That would be incorrect big-time. Check you local labor laws. Most states, just because someone is on 'Salary' does not automatically make them in-eligible for over-time pay. Keep your life simple, and

RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax

2006-11-08 Thread Brad Belton
lol...sounds like you've had a rough time with Vonage and faxes. I've been a Vonage customer since December 2002 and have been running my DirecTV, home security and occasional fax through it with little trouble. Granted my faxing has been little to none at home, but the Tivo boxes and alarm

[WISPA] WISP Going Out of Business Sale

2006-11-08 Thread Ken Chipps
I will be posting this on several lists, so please forgive the cross posts. I have ten customers located in northern Johnson County Texas between Burleson and Alvarado that need a service provider. I have been providing Internet service to them for the past two years, but this is not my main

Re: [WISPA] Client loss during longer AP outagage[late nite AP service window]

2006-11-08 Thread rabbtux rabbtux
Clients were based on both Senao radio CPEs and Zinwell CPEs On 11/8/06, Lonnie Nunweiler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are the brands of the client units? They might very well have the same gear inside which could account for the similar behaviour. Lonnie On 11/8/06, rabbtux rabbtux [EMAIL

RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax

2006-11-08 Thread Brad Belton
Nope, been largely very happy with my Vonage service. Telling SBC to take a hike ranks right up there with the likes of buying and selling a boat...two happiest days of a person's life. grin Construction sites many times have no option other than wireless data and Vonage fax lines. They make

Re: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax

2006-11-08 Thread Matt Liotta
Brad Belton wrote: Construction sites many times have no option other than wireless data and Vonage fax lines. They make do with what they have and make the best of it. At least in our markets constructions sites get wireless data and voice with working fax directly from us. -Matt --

[WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment

2006-11-08 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,227778,00.html You just got a big red bullseye painted on your back. While Im not trying to be partisan... YOU are the main target. Whether it's digging into your pocket for benefits congress wants to give your employees, to just shafting you as hard and

Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment

2006-11-08 Thread Mark Nash - Lists
Then don't be partisan, and save the extreme comments for people who want to hear it. I can't see how the type of language in this post helps. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original

Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment

2006-11-08 Thread David E. Smith
Rick Smith wrote: A general thanks out there to all that voted. All 40% of us. The other 60 ought to be ashamed. Does it still count if everyone I voted for lost? (lolbertarian) David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:

Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment

2006-11-08 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
The impacts on your business... Your accountant's report to you... Those are not partisan. Your ability to survive and / or grow are very much at stake in how you deal with changes that are likely. If you consider watching out for and trying to keep your business afloat with a Congress

RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax

2006-11-08 Thread rwf
Matt- What speed/format FAX is supported now? -Original Message- At least in our markets constructions sites get wireless data and voice with working fax directly from us. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:

Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment

2006-11-08 Thread Larry Yunker
This should not be a big surprise. The Democratic Party's platform has always yielded higher taxes. This story just shows one of many ways that a Democratic-lead Congress is likely to spread-the-hurt. Sorry folks, but it is a grim day in my opinion. Taxes are going up, cost-of-business is

Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment

2006-11-08 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
341 billion out of... The government has spent approximately 11,600 billion (some rounding here) from 2002 to now. If all we've spent is 341 billion, that's just under 3%. About the same as the paypal fees on a larger purchase... In the overall scope of our nation's budget, the war is not any

Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment

2006-11-08 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
That's an argument best left elsewhere.. But... In my view, you really should vote anyway. Besides, at least in places like here, we had a ton of local stuff, some of which will directly impact me or my customers. +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East

Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment

2006-11-08 Thread Mark Nash - Lists
Mark, What I tried to say in my post is let's hear the information but present it in a less-extreme fashion without the obviously slanted language such as 'digging into your pocket' and 'shafting you as hard and deep as possible'. Otherwise your post should go to a list that's hosted on a site

Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment

2006-11-08 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
Kind of a given, Larry.. What I am hoping for is some good conversations about strategies for dealing with it. Most of us just can't afford to pay a high-priced advisor... Yet the impacts are comparatively MUCH larger for a small business than for those big guys who can hire the lawyers and tax

Re: [WISPA] Client loss during longer AP outagage[late nite AP servicewindow]

2006-11-08 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
That happens all of the time. No idea why. Our folks know to power cycle before they call us. It'll so that with just a few minutes of an outage too. OR changing channels etc. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: rabbtux rabbtux [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment

2006-11-08 Thread Matt Liotta
I always find it interesting that people like to spread FUD about taxes. At this point, there is no new tax plan presented, so there is no way to know what impact it will have. Further, from an economic standpoint, it isn't clear that lower taxes are good for businesses. Regardless, this list

Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment

2006-11-08 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
Hey, we're businessmen. We deal with reality. If you dont refer to Congress as digging into your pocket normally, maybe you need to re-think whatever language you obscure the concept with... When the telco targets one of your markets... You have the bullseye on your back... With a political

Re: [WISPA] Client loss during longer AP outagage[late nite APservicewindow]

2006-11-08 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
Interesting. I am beginning to think the failure to associate is kinda widespread, but I can say quite confidently, that even after 2 or 3 hours, 100% of my star-os clients come back. I have never needed one rebooted except for lightning strikes nearby... which appeared to shut them off.. (?)

RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax

2006-11-08 Thread Brad Belton
Good to hear your Asterisk solution is working out well. We now have a Level3 voice product that is far more flexible than Vonage or our Nuvio offerings. Voice and data haven't been an issue and are far superior to any LEC offering. Haven't tried fax over Level3 yet, but I'm sure we'll have the

Re: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax

2006-11-08 Thread Joe Laura
We are using an Asterisk solution over canopy and faxing is hit and miss. On some machines it works fine. Adjusting the baud rate on the machines makes a big difference on some. Some it does not. I have one client faxing 100% and another, one hop in closer and they are maybe 25% and using the same

Re: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax

2006-11-08 Thread Matt Liotta
Brad Belton wrote: We now have a Level3 voice product that is far more flexible than Vonage or our Nuvio offerings. Voice and data haven't been an issue and are far superior to any LEC offering. Haven't tried fax over Level3 yet, but I'm sure we'll have the opportunity to do so soon. Which

RE: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment

2006-11-08 Thread Brad Belton
Not making the Bush tax relief permanent is raising your taxes. No if, ands or buts. The Dems have made it abundantly clear they do not intend to make the tax relief permanent...No FUD about it. Your taxes are going up if the Dems have anything to do with it. Best, Brad -Original

RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax

2006-11-08 Thread Brad Belton
Hmmm...guess I'd better keep it a secret then... grin Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 12:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax Brad Belton wrote:

Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment

2006-11-08 Thread Matt Liotta
Mark Koskenmaki wrote: Huh. It isnt' clear that taking more money from your business with nothing in return hurts your business? It isn't c lear that taking money from your customers and potential customers can hurt your business? What can I say... Some folks must be able to walk on

Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment

2006-11-08 Thread Matt Liotta
Brad Belton wrote: Not making the Bush tax relief permanent is raising your taxes. No if, ands or buts. Actually no, it isn't. For all you know the Bush tax cut could be replaced with a different tax cut. You don't know; none of us do. Further, this isn't even relevant until 2009 when

RE: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment

2006-11-08 Thread Brad Belton
Ok, I'll agree and hopefully nothing will change until 2009-2010. If you really believe the Dems are going to offer up a better tax relief plan than what we have right now...I have some ocean front property in Arizona to sell you as well... grin Best, Brad -Original Message-

Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment

2006-11-08 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
- Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment Mark Koskenmaki wrote: Huh. It isnt' clear that taking more money

Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment

2006-11-08 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
Normally, I'm an optimist... So, I'll use postitive language... I am very positive that Congress WILL come after us before then.They're already celebrating the taxes they can raise and t he rich people they can harm. Just listen to them. And you, and I, are the rich people.

Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment

2006-11-08 Thread Larry Yunker
So how do you duck for cover? Re-incorporate as a foreign owned/based business? Our legislature seems to be fine with allowing the mortgaging of america to foreign entities. If you can somehow become a foreign entity, you can probably avoid all sorts of tax liability. No... I'm not

RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax

2006-11-08 Thread Dennis Burgess - 2K Wireless
We use one in the Virgin Islands, keeping the speed down to 14.4 helps a lot. Dennis Burgess, MCP, CCNA, A+, N+, Mikrotik Certified [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.2kwireless.com 2K Wireless provides high-speed internet access, along with network consulting for WISPs, and business's with a focus on

[WISPA] Deliberant or HighGainAntennas to Tranzeo AP's

2006-11-08 Thread Jason Hensley
Hi all, Anyone have experience with this combo? AP's are Tranzeo TR-6000s w/ 13db Hpol Omni's. Also tried directly to a TR-6015 with the same result. Have tried with a Deliberant DLB2300 14db radio, and a HighGainAntennas 8186HP-19. Both radios will associate just fine (signal around

Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment

2006-11-08 Thread Peter R.
Umm, how do you pay off debt without raising taxes??? Especially when you are spending like a drunken sailor. Brad Belton wrote: Not making the Bush tax relief permanent is raising your taxes. No if, ands or buts. The Dems have made it abundantly clear they do not intend to make the tax

Now: TAKE IT OFFLIST, MARK Was: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment

2006-11-08 Thread Jack Unger
Take this discussion offlist, Mark. Mark Koskenmaki wrote: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,227778,00.html You just got a big red bullseye painted on your back. While Im not trying to be partisan... YOU are the main target. Whether it's digging into your pocket for benefits congress

[WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment

2006-11-08 Thread Jack Unger
Second request - take this discussion offlist, Mark. Mark Koskenmaki wrote: The impacts on your business... Your accountant's report to you... Those are not partisan. Your ability to survive and / or grow are very much at stake in how you deal with changes that are likely. If you

Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment

2006-11-08 Thread Jack Unger
Third request - Take this discussion to a more appropriate political list. Mark Koskenmaki wrote: 341 billion out of... The government has spent approximately 11,600 billion (some rounding here) from 2002 to now. If all we've spent is 341 billion, that's just under 3%. About the same as

Re: [WISPA] Deliberant or HighGainAntennas to Tranzeo AP's

2006-11-08 Thread Anthony Morin
Are you doing any encryption on your AP's? Jason Hensley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Anyone have experience with this combo? AP's are Tranzeo TR-6000s w/ 13db Hpol Omni's. Also tried directly to a TR-6015 with the same result. Have tried with a Deliberant DLB2300 14db radio,

RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax

2006-11-08 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
I have a couple of Lingo boxes (unlimited free calls to N. America, Europe, AustralAsia) and ported my numbers to it several years ago. At $20 a month and FAX works perfectly through it, it's hard to beat. I have both RoadRunner and ATT DSL with my Nortel router using the DSL only as a backup

[WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!!

2006-11-08 Thread Tom DeReggi
Those who were not there, (WISPA meeting), some extremely exciting news was released by Alvarion. The details of the Comnet program. Clearly the most exciting news from the show. I can't even begin to communicate the impression that it made. There could not have been a stronger message that