[WISPA] S.F. nears WiFi deal

2006-12-01 Thread Dawn DiPietro
S.F. nears WiFi deal By Sarah Jane Tribble Mercury News San Francisco's wait for citywide wireless is nearing an end, a city official said Thursday. Chris Vein, director of the city's technology office, said he expects contract negotiations with the joint Google and Earthlink team that was

[WISPA] HIPAA Problem Gets Worse

2006-12-01 Thread John Scrivner
I need your help! It looks like I am going to have to go over the head of the IT guy at the area hospitals. According to the person I am speaking with I cannot even get a phone call returned from him to talk about the issues regarding wireless broadband delivery and HIPAA. The say flat out no

Re: [WISPA] S.F. nears WiFi deal

2006-12-01 Thread Tom DeReggi
Wouldn't it be nice to get paid $4000 per AP install? Expecially when the average cost of a WARboard and custom MESH software is less than $400 a unit, and can get installed in less than 4 hours. And then on top of it, get another 1.5million a year, to pay your staff? I don't know if its

[WISPA] New Recording LAW in effect today?

2006-12-01 Thread Tim Kerns
I caught a brief report on FoxNews today about a requirement for keeping copies of E-mail. It seems that we may be required to maintain a copy for use at later time for criminal courts. Anyone know of this or have more info on it? Is it every ISP or only Corporations. This could be

Re: [WISPA] HIPAA Problem Gets Worse

2006-12-01 Thread Pete Davis
The local hospital in town, that is also the employer of my two partners, has a Cisco wireless system in place, and has had since before we were in business. SSID is turned on, DHCP is turned off, and encryption is turned on. (WEP 128bit I think) Recently, they went through an audit by an

Re: [WISPA] New Recording LAW in effect today?

2006-12-01 Thread Blair Davis
We are common carriers. We no more have to copy peoples e-mail than the phone company has to record the contents of every call. Tim Kerns wrote: I caught a brief report on FoxNews today about a requirement for keeping copies of E-mail. It seems that we may be required to maintain a copy for

[WISPA] Governor Schwarzenegger Announces Appointments to the Broadband Task Force

2006-12-01 Thread Dawn DiPietro
Governor Schwarzenegger Announces Appointments to the Broadband Task Force Nov 30, 2006 News Release Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger today announced appointments to the Broadband Task Force. The Broadband Task Force will bring together public and private stakeholders to remove barriers to

[WISPA] bare conduits

2006-12-01 Thread chris cooper
Im looking at a project that requires connectivity between multiple buildings on the same campus. There are 4 conduits connecting each facility. The conduits are bare, Id like to run fiber in them, and there are no pull cords in them. Some are several hundred yards long. Ive heard that you can

Re: [WISPA] New Recording LAW in effect today?

2006-12-01 Thread Tim Kerns
As a common carrier I can understand and agree. What about providing E-mail services to our customers, do we then need to keep copies of all e-mail that comes into or goes out our server? Tim Kerns - Original Message - From: Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] bare conduits

2006-12-01 Thread Butch Evans
On Fri, 1 Dec 2006, chris cooper wrote: Im looking at a project that requires connectivity between multiple buildings on the same campus. There are 4 conduits connecting each facility. The conduits are bare, Id like to run fiber in them, and there are no pull cords in them. Some are

Re: [WISPA] New Recording LAW in effect today?

2006-12-01 Thread Matt Liotta
I find it interesting that people are stating their organizations are common carriers. The term common carrier has a very specific legal meaning. Specifically, a common carrier is an entity licensed by the FCC or a state agency to supply local and/or long distance telecommunications services

Re: [WISPA] New Recording LAW in effect today?

2006-12-01 Thread Mark Del Bianco
Tim- It's an amendment to the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure and it governs what a company that's sued has to do to comply with discovery requests. It doesn't single out WISPs or carriers. Here's a good explanation:

RE: [WISPA] New Recording LAW in effect today?

2006-12-01 Thread Patrick Leary
I'm going to look into this, but current law ALREADY requires ISPs to retain records of e-mail traffic and Web searches for 90 days. This was per an amendment to the 1986 Stored Communications Act. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243

RE: [WISPA] bare conduits

2006-12-01 Thread Rick Smith
get a shop vac. get a box of pull string or a long enough piece of lightweight string. get a tennis ball (or whiffle ball) and tie the string to it. Turn on shop vac. Suck the ball through. Don't laugh. It'll work! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [WISPA] New Recording LAW in effect today?

2006-12-01 Thread Frank Muto
To dispel the FUD about this, the law is dealing with the 2006 Amendments to the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure addressing discovery of electronically stored information. Link to pdf http://tinyurl.com/htarf review. Secondly, if you are presented with a properly written subpoena, you do have

RE: [WISPA] bare conduits

2006-12-01 Thread Patrick Leary
Chris, First, if there is an open 4 conduit, you'd never want to run a cable by itself --that'd be considered a major waste of the conduit investment in place. Instead, the proper thing would be to install 3 to 4 PVC innerducts. These are generally about 1.5 OD and can be ordered with pull

RE: [WISPA] New Recording LAW in effect today?

2006-12-01 Thread Rick Smith
and you have to do NOTHING until you get a subpoena to do so. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 2:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New Recording LAW in effect today? We are common

[WISPA] common carriage

2006-12-01 Thread Peter R.
The common carrier concept was established in the 1934 Communications Act, which is the act that formed the basis of the Federal Communications Commission. The concept of a common carrier is not exclusive to the telecommunications industry. It is a legal and social concept that dates back

Re: [WISPA] New Recording LAW in effect today?

2006-12-01 Thread Blair Davis
I'll drop e-mail services before I'll do that. I am not a cop. Tim Kerns wrote: As a common carrier I can understand and agree. What about providing E-mail services to our customers, do we then need to keep copies of all e-mail that comes into or goes out our server? Tim Kerns -

Re: [WISPA] New Recording LAW in effect today?

2006-12-01 Thread Blair Davis
Common carrier refers to things other than Telecom. Trucking companies, bus lines, rail transport, air lines to name some. The common denominator seems to be providing transport for data, product or people that is for general, public hire at established rates. I'm sure there is more to this

Re: [WISPA] New Recording LAW in effect today?

2006-12-01 Thread Frank Muto
Here is a link which provides an overview of the ECPA from the DOJ and a handy reference to keep on hand. http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/cybercrime/ssmanual2002.htm#_IIID1_ We are going through some personal and business issues regarding such issues relating to electronic storage. Frank Muto

[WISPA] Tranzeo CPU speed

2006-12-01 Thread Tom DeReggi
Anyone know what speed CPU is running the Tranzeo 900 radios? Just wondering if it has the power to get full throughput from RF ETH2 combined to ETH1. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: [WISPA] bare conduits

2006-12-01 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Used to do this all the time when I was a linesman. The easiest and safest way to do this is to use a vacuum on one end. Tie a parachute or streamer to a string and put that in the pipe while someone's sucking on the other end. Make sure you hold the twine with a screwdriver and not your

Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

2006-12-01 Thread Tom DeReggi
Frank at Pasadena Networks has stock and good pricing on the SR9s. And yes we are paying $350-$389 for the gear based on quantity. Which is still the lowest cost 900SU solution so far, every thing included. I don't believe anybody has broke the $300 barrier except on large quantity. If they

Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

2006-12-01 Thread Tom DeReggi
Exactly, after you add the rootenna, you are at $348, plus International Shipping charges (if in US). Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: cw [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday,

[WISPA] FW: Don't be a Virtual Shredder

2006-12-01 Thread Cliff Leboeuf
and litigation. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061201/ap_on_hi_te/storing_emails_2 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

2006-12-01 Thread Patrick Leary
Dang, that's as much as $100 more than a real BreezeACCESS CPE (under the AlvarionCOMNET program) without needing to piece things together so the points of failure risk and truck roll is both much smaller, not to mention a warranty and domestic supply and support. VL CPE comes with mounting

[WISPA] Governor Schwarzenegger Announces Appointments to the Broadband Task Force

2006-12-01 Thread Dawn DiPietro
Governor Schwarzenegger Announces Appointments to the Broadband Task Force Nov 30, 2006 News Release Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger today announced appointments to the Broadband Task Force. The Broadband Task Force will bring together public and private stakeholders to remove barriers to

Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

2006-12-01 Thread Joe Laura
But is your A/P under $500.00 like the RB532 and SR9? K, Im just kidding. Its Friday. Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 7:20 PM Subject:

Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

2006-12-01 Thread cw
SR9 on WAR at 5MHz is about 6Mb Tom DeReggi wrote: We are finding that for most of the OEM 900 product though, best case speed gets close to 1mbps on a 5mhz channel. So Trango, is still our dominent choice, from towers,m where we do not need the flexibility and low cost of relaying. -- WISPA

RE: [WISPA] New Recording LAW in effect today?

2006-12-01 Thread Forbes Mercy
This is one of those times when we need to ride the coats of the big guys. They spent millions in lobbying and legal fees to make sure they didn't have to be regulated like a common carrier by defining the new term information service. All of us are in that business and even though Cable,

Re: [WISPA] New Recording LAW in effect today?

2006-12-01 Thread Blake Bowers
I found that a little interesting also. I don't really think a WISP would WANT to be termed a common carrier. communications common carrier: 1. The term communications common carrier as used in this part [of 47CFR] means any person (individual, partnership, association, joint-stock company,

Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

2006-12-01 Thread J. Vogel
Does that BreezeACCESS CPE do 5 mile *NECLoS shots? Usable links that is... Serious question... I don't know. If it does, I will have to re-think how I am doing things John * Not Even Close to Line of Sight... Patrick Leary wrote: Dang, that's as much as $100 more than a real BreezeACCESS

RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

2006-12-01 Thread Butch Evans
On Fri, 1 Dec 2006, Patrick Leary wrote: Dang, that's as much as $100 more than a real BreezeACCESS CPE (under the AlvarionCOMNET program) without needing to piece things together so the points of failure risk and truck roll is both much smaller, not to mention a warranty and domestic supply

Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

2006-12-01 Thread cw
I would be extremely interested in your $250 solution if it didn't have that stupid software governor on it limiting bandwidth. What is it, 3Mb x 2Mb? What's the actual throughput? - cw Patrick Leary wrote: Dang, that's as much as $100 more than a real BreezeACCESS CPE (under the

RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

2006-12-01 Thread Rick Smith
We're installing SR9 clients with a 2.4 antenna on it, and never going in the house except for power. Customers sign onto the *hotspotted* 2.4 antenna, and if their neighbors want to sign on as well, so be it. Can't do that with Alvarion. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

2006-12-01 Thread Patrick Leary
It is a fair question and what I would say is that the AU is an even more critical point in the network. Our AUs have options to be inserted into chassis with redundant power supplies, etc. The difference in cost of the AU is minimal when working out the entire cost of the sector and its clients,

RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

2006-12-01 Thread Rick Smith
There's no license fees if you're buying routerboards for Mikrotik. Also, add 2.4 cards (SR2) and cabling / antenna at each client, and you've now built a mesh, so to speak, with coverage off each customer to new customers. Those setups add about $200 here and there when you do the repeaters.

RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

2006-12-01 Thread Patrick Leary
The AlvarionCOMNET CPE does 3mbps net and 2mbps up. It can be upgraded via software if needed, but you only would do that once you have a client willing to pay for the additional capacity. You can take it to 6mbps down and 4mbps up or to the full CPE that can deliver over 30mbps net. I appreciate

RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

2006-12-01 Thread Patrick Leary
As a matter of fact you could and it's something we've had for years and it is a warranted item. That's be a CX deployment using VLDS.11. The range of that DS.11 would probably cover the whole neighborhood (high power and very high sensitivity), but the issue would be the ability of the users

RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

2006-12-01 Thread Patrick Leary
It is interesting Rick and creative, but with all due respect, you are not building a network that you are going to be able to sell most likely or at least certainly not for a good price. As well, you can't offer advanced services if you want to grow into them. Rick, it is a serious question: what

RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

2006-12-01 Thread Butch Evans
On Fri, 1 Dec 2006, Patrick Leary wrote: reduced truck roll, Where are you getting this? I have been in the ISP business longer than MOST people on this list. I have nothing bad to say about Alvarion equipment, but the fact is, that to use Alvarion gear in any network I would build, you

RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

2006-12-01 Thread Rick Smith
Why can't I sell what I've built ?Because it doesn't brag on the Alvarion name ? Please. As for growth path, I've got rooftop leases for these repeaters. They're legally guaranteed for 30 yrs in most cases. Sheesh, in some cases, the houses will fall down before the equipment dies. I

RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

2006-12-01 Thread Patrick Leary
Why do you have to have the router? The DSL and cable guys don't provide routers (not without extra fees). I provide my own in my home. At work we have our own router. VL also can do VLAN, all the way to QinQ 802.3ad VLANs. It does 802.1q. It does layer 2 802.1p. Layer 3 prioritization with IP

RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

2006-12-01 Thread Patrick Leary
I appreciate the honest criticism, really, but the situation about your network being at an equity disadvantage is very real. You CAN sell it, but you won't find many eager buyers and you won't get a good price. An Alvarion network does bring a higher value. I'm sure Moto networks may fetch an

Re: [WISPA] bare conduits

2006-12-01 Thread John J. Thomas
I have heard of people using something resembling a ping pong ball, pressure on one end and vacuum on the other to push a small string/ribbon through. Once that is done you just pull bigger string until you get the size you want. John -Original Message- From: chris cooper

Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

2006-12-01 Thread Blair Davis
Why provide routers? To improve the isolation of the user from the network. To filter and control packets at the customer end before they clog up my wireless bandwidth. We run private IP space on our wireless network for the same reasons. We provide anti-virus and anti-spyware software for

Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

2006-12-01 Thread Blair Davis
Equity value is only important to those who wish to build and sell Those of us who just wish to make a living don't care so much about re-sale value. We are more interested in income. Patrick Leary wrote: I appreciate the honest criticism, really, but the situation about your network

Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

2006-12-01 Thread Joe Laura
Patrick, How much are your A/P's going for in the 5.8 range? Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 12:00 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz

RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

2006-12-01 Thread Patrick Leary
You missed the thread though Blair. Our CPEs are as low as $245 complete and only $285 for very low volume (25 a quarter). We have AUs now also for about $2500 MSRP (list price). And we can filter and control packets without a router, including broadcast packet rate limiting. Patrick Leary AVP

Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

2006-12-01 Thread Dylan Oliver
On 12/2/06, Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I appreciate the honest criticism, really, but the situation about your network being at an equity disadvantage is very real. You CAN sell it, but you won't find many eager buyers and you won't get a good price. An Alvarion network does bring a

RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

2006-12-01 Thread Butch Evans
On Fri, 1 Dec 2006, Patrick Leary wrote: Why do you have to have the router? The DSL and cable guys don't provide routers (not without extra fees). I provide my own in my home. At work we have our own router. I provide a router because that is the best network design and it offers ME an

RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

2006-12-01 Thread Patrick Leary
No, at the moment just anecdotal. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dylan Oliver Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 10:41 PM

[WISPA] I did step into it...

2006-12-01 Thread Patrick Leary
but only always with the best and most sincere of intentions. Is that a better subject line Butch? :) Anyway, time for me to quit the thread since it is not headed in any positive direction, whether or not it is of my making. G'night. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: