[WISPA] power draw

2006-12-28 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, We have a large power bar mounted on a rack that powers several servers and switches. It keeps popping the breaker that feeds the bar. Is there any device (ammeter?) that I can measure the amperage draw on that cord while everything is running? Thanks, Travis Microserv -- WISPA

RE: [WISPA] power draw

2006-12-28 Thread CHUCK PROFITO
WOULD A KILL A WATT BE TOO SMALL? FROOGLE IT, ABOUT $20-25. MINE WORKS WELL. Hi, We have a large power bar mounted on a rack that powers several servers and switches. It keeps popping the breaker that feeds the bar. Is there any device (ammeter?) that I can measure the amperage draw on that

Re: [WISPA] power draw

2006-12-28 Thread Travis Johnson
The problem is I don't want to power down everything to check it. I already have a Kill-A-Watt. Travis Microserv CHUCK PROFITO wrote: WOULD A KILL A WATT BE TOO SMALL? FROOGLE IT, ABOUT $20-25. MINE WORKS WELL. Hi, We have a large power bar mounted on a rack that powers several servers and

RE: [WISPA] power draw

2006-12-28 Thread Russ Kreigh
Use an Amp-Clamp, their commonly available at your home center. But, you can't measure on the cord, you'll have to measure an isolated Hot or Neutral (Black or White) wire by itself. Easiest way is at the breaker panel. -Russ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-28 Thread CHUCK PROFITO
Jonathan, You said snip In fact, we make a targeted messaging product that inserts a toolbar-like, unobtrusive message into subscriber browsers display. Is this program or code for sale to wispa members? Maybe tell us a few details. I was hoping we could use it for late pay's, etc. Chuck

[WISPA] calea

2006-12-28 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Hi All, I finally got to talk to someone at the FCC about CALEA. Unfortunately that discussion raised more questions than it answered. I'll continue to work some new directions that I've been given though. I hope to have more in a week or three. What I DO know is that there isn't a data

Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-28 Thread George Rogato
CHUCK PROFITO wrote: Jonathan, You said snip In fact, we make a targeted messaging product that inserts a toolbar-like, unobtrusive message into subscriber browsers display. Is this program or code for sale to wispa members? Maybe tell us a few details. I was hoping we could use it for late

Re: [WISPA] Looking for an administrator

2006-12-28 Thread David E. Smith
William.L. Edwards wrote: Can you tell me if this is the correct list to look for a systems administrator that is proficient in BSD, voIP, and wireless. If not can you tell me where would be a good place to start? Thank you in advance. Are you looking to hire one, or do you just have a

Re: [WISPA] Looking for an administrator

2006-12-28 Thread George Rogato
Also also, is this even on-topic for this list, because I'm not sure.) David Smith MVN.net I think it's on topic. Especially if a wispa person can benefit. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:

RE: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-28 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
Chuck, it's being used for that, expired billing credit card renewal dates, FCC E911 official limitation acknowledgements, etc. However, it's mostly been installed in very large cable operators. I'd be happy to talk off-line. It does scale smoothly from 1K to millions of subs. I'd be happy to

RE: [WISPA] calea

2006-12-28 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
Marlon, if your subscriber is downstream of a switch, you may be able to use VACLs http://www.ciscopress.com/articles/article.asp?p=25329seqNum=3rl=1 For this. Given that you can pick the subscriber/subscribers and just hose mirror copies of all their packets out a switch interface...maybe good

Re: [WISPA] Looking for an administrator

2006-12-28 Thread Jack Unger
Seems on topic to me, too. George Rogato wrote: Also also, is this even on-topic for this list, because I'm not sure.) David Smith MVN.net I think it's on topic. Especially if a wispa person can benefit. George -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving

RE: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-28 Thread Butch Evans
On Thu, 28 Dec 2006, Jonathan Schmidt wrote: been installed in very large cable operators. I'd be happy to talk off-line. It does scale smoothly from 1K to millions of subs. There have been 2 people who've asked for some other detail on the list, and I'll add my name in the hat for that.

RE: [WISPA] Looking for an administrator

2006-12-28 Thread William.L. Edwards
We are aggressively looking for a full time person to replace our junior admin that left to start his own consulting business and computer repair. W.L. Edwards CEO RNet Communications Office 765-342-3554 Fax 765-349-4880 IMPORTANT: Confidentiality Statement: This message is intended only for

Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-28 Thread George Rogato
Butch Evans wrote: On Thu, 28 Dec 2006, Jonathan Schmidt wrote: been installed in very large cable operators. I'd be happy to talk off-line. It does scale smoothly from 1K to millions of subs. There have been 2 people who've asked for some other detail on the list, and I'll add my name in

Re: [WISPA] power draw

2006-12-28 Thread Ryan Spott
Travis, When you do want to power things down, I suggest one or many of these: http://www.baytech.net/products/rpcseries.shtml Not only can you remotely reboot items via a telnet console, but these devices show True RMS current usage. A clamp meter will show you power going one way, but in a

RE: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-28 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
Butch, with this list accepting my small excursion into what we do, the system isn't a proxy and is not installed in line with any traffic but is a 1U rack NOC-installed box. It must be associated with a router or switch which has all the subscribers downstream. Small slave devices, up to

Re: [WISPA] Looking for an administrator

2006-12-28 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
If it helps William We contract our BSD work, if it's done right there's no need to have someone working on the servers very often. Certainly not daily. We also don't do our VoIP in house. Not that we have a VoIP program, but who's counting lol Actually, we're working on getting a

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios have arrived

2006-12-28 Thread Tom DeReggi
There is some truth to Brad's point. With Trango, we knew exactly how much bandwidth would be available, and it met the requirement for business grade CIR. If we didn't get that, then it was a broke link needing repair, which was likely to be accomplishable. The problem is our business model

RE: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-28 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
Thanks, George, we're really having a good time with this. I'll go off line with anything that even hints at commerce but feel relatively comfortable staying in my realm; how it works and other technical topics. The vast majority of deployments have been in cable MSOs. There is a very small

Re: [WISPA] power draw

2006-12-28 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Amprobe Just have an electrician come in and check that breaker. Or, if you are like me, you've used them a lot in a former life and have a couple laying around :-). Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)

RE: [WISPA] power draw

2006-12-28 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
RadioShack has one for $21: Model 22-602 It's a multimeter with clamp-on ammeter probe. I had one from them years ago and looked like a real electrician's tool and worked well. However, this seems to have a clamp-on probe and goes to 30 amps. For under $21, I might get one...handy, you know.

Re: [WISPA] power draw

2006-12-28 Thread Travis Johnson
"and now, the rest of the story"... The power supply feeding these power bars is an APC Symmetra unit. There is no way to get a clamp around only 1 side of the circuit. The other issue is trying to avoid having to take down an entire power bar to measure. :( Travis Microserv Jonathan Schmidt

Re: [WISPA] power draw

2006-12-28 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
I guess you could CAREFULLY strip off some of the outer insulation so that you could get to the hot wire with an amprobe. Or, wait till it trips again, then insert a short cord that's got all of the phases out where you can get to them already. Marlon (509) 982-2181

Re: [WISPA] Jon, okay, I'm no engineer. But what about the BUSINESS?

2006-12-28 Thread Tom DeReggi
Marty, And I probably should be selling, not debating :-( But, I can't agree more with your post. Except When was the last time a Trango EMPLOYEE asked for your feedback? Trango is one of the best manufacturers out there, from the perspective of asking their customers, what they want

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios have arrived

2006-12-28 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Thanks for the offer Ben. But we'll have all of these units out in the field long before you can get a box of nuts to me! If it REALLY bothers me, I'll just run down to the local hardware store and buy my own nuts. grin It's MUCH more fun to pick on you guys once in a while though. evil

Re: [WISPA] power draw

2006-12-28 Thread George Rogato
Jonathan Schmidt wrote: RadioShack has one for $21: Model 22-602 It's a multimeter with clamp-on ammeter probe. I had one from them years ago and looked like a real electrician's tool and worked well. However, this seems to have a clamp-on probe and goes to 30 amps. For under $21, I might get

Re: [WISPA] power draw

2006-12-28 Thread Ryan Langseth
Does that APC unit have a monitoring (ethernet or serial) port? You should be able to pull the amperage used from it that way. Either through the APC software or through snmp. The proper index number is listed in its MiB http://rockhounding.net/projects/ups/pdf/apc-mib.pdf I don't know if it can

RE: [WISPA] power draw

2006-12-28 Thread Russ Kreigh
Put a smart card in the symmetra, unless you already have one in it. The web interface will give you an idea of the load on the port. Keep in mind power-factor vs real-power readings. -Russ _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis

Re: [WISPA] power draw

2006-12-28 Thread Travis Johnson
Already have one... the problem is this is a 12kVa unit, so we have 8 power bars coming off 8 different ports on the back no way to tell which ports are overloaded and which ones aren't. :( Travis Microserv Russ Kreigh wrote: Put a smart card in the symmetra, unless you already have one

Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-28 Thread Tom DeReggi
If you peer with Akamai, LimeLight, Google, Yahoo, etc you won't pay for transit of their content and it will be fast... very fast. Yes, if your performance problem is to those locations. The problem is most transit providers already have good peering with them. The reason to cache, is to

RE: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios have arrived - regarding interference - Part 1

2006-12-28 Thread Charles Wu
I go to see Mickey Mouse for a few days and look where this thread has gone...wow So, my 2 cents... One of the largest concerns in the license-exempt world is the question of a system's interference robustness. However, before we can get into further detail on the pros and cons of Alvarion VL

Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-28 Thread Tom DeReggi
Why is it politically correct for a Appliance vendor to charge for accelleration, and not an ISP, from a Net Neutrality perspective? As WISPs, shouldn't we be charging Microsoft, Google, and Yahoo, a price for offering cached services (on-net) to them, and reducing their bandwidth use of their

Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-28 Thread Tom DeReggi
Take note that caching content, generally reduces download traffic, which does not always translate to a financial savings. It can screws up your up/down ratios, that many Upstream backbone providers want to see 50/50 or more download than upload, to honor the price they quote you. In other

RE: [WISPA] Jon, okay, I'm no engineer. But what about the BUSINESS?

2006-12-28 Thread Patrick Leary
Respectfully Carl and while I generally agree on use of standards (in a mature market), when the market is developing and one still wants in, then it is up to the operator to pick a horse that is stable. The stability of your initial choice was there for any to see and study as a public company.

[WISPA] javascript

2006-12-28 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, Anyone available that knows Javascript? Specifically for use with the Google Map API... contact me offlist... I need a little help finishing a project... (I'm just not a programmer). :) Travis Microserv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios have arrived

2006-12-28 Thread Tom DeReggi
Marlon, You get an A+ on your definitions of terms I used. I don't challenge those definitions. However, I challenge the relevance of just about all your responses to my comments. I recognize I may not have been super clear, but I was assuming the reader would apply their knowledge of the

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios have arrived

2006-12-28 Thread Tom DeReggi
Marlon, I will add... I made one error I said if interference was from other OFDM. I meant to say, if interference was from other CSMA/CA. CSMA/CA is better apt to survive interference from other CSMA/CA gear, than TDD is. In other words, retransmitting is likely going to find free

Re: [WISPA] power draw

2006-12-28 Thread Tom DeReggi
There are a couple issues here. First, the most probable cuse probably is a failing breaker, which if were the case would require power shut down. Thats the purpose of a UPS, is that power can be disconnected without equipment on UPS going down. Second, a UPS's draw can change based on whether

Re: [WISPA] power draw

2006-12-28 Thread Tom DeReggi
OOPs, missed that detail. That complicates matters a bit :-( Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 4:44 PM

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios have arrived - regardinginterference - Part 1

2006-12-28 Thread Tom DeReggi
Charles, WOW! Great Post! That covers about everything. It increases the understanding of the complexity, but it doesn't answer the ultimate question, What to use. What we really want is an efficient OFDM system, with a strong TDD w/ARQ MAC, RFThreshold, Good Noise Filtering, Packet

[WISPA] PAcket loss with CSMA/CA

2006-12-28 Thread Tom DeReggi
I just installed a PTP 900Mhz Atheros SR9 StarOSV3 link that had 5% packet loss that I could not get rid of. (Set 12mbps modulation, and averaged greater than 20db SNR.) In theory, CSMA/CA should not get PAcket loss, like a TDD system might, as the CSMA waits for acknowledment and re-transmits

Re: [WISPA] Jon, okay, I'm no engineer. But what about the BUSINESS?

2006-12-28 Thread Tom DeReggi
Carl, You bring up a point that I do not disagree, other than it is jsut the reality of our industry. There is no adequate standard today. Basic WiFi on its own just has to many flaws in design to be adequate High ARPU Business class scale. What you talk about is the Promise of WiMax. I don't

RE: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios have arrived -regardinginterference - Part 1

2006-12-28 Thread Brad Belton
lol...gotta love it! I'd argue it doesn't have to be only $300 to sell. I'd pay two or three times that for such a product. But honestly that isn't that much to ask as many products are already so close...Alvarion VL being one of the closest, but still no cigar. I like what you said about

Re: [WISPA] PAcket loss with CSMA/CA

2006-12-28 Thread Jack Unger
Tom, After making several retransmission attempts and still not getting a packet through, the radio will discard the packet and move on to sending the next packet. In other words, the packet is lost. Often, depending on the radio or the operating system, the number of retransmission attempts

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios have arrived - regardinginterference - Part 1

2006-12-28 Thread Rich Comroe
Good stuff. In the order presented, the text makes some statements about RX threshold damping. It is a powerful tool for a higher modulation radio operating in a noisy environment, as it allows the radio to block out and ignore signals received below the preset RF Rx Threshold. By creating an

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios have arrived

2006-12-28 Thread Rich Comroe
Canopy's C/I of 3dB is only the 10mbps at signals much stronger than sensitivity. At low signal it's always been higher than 3dB, and the 20mbps Canopy requires higher C/I under all circumstances. OFDM provides a range of signalling speeds, from BPSK (same C/I as the 10mbps Canopy) through

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios have arrived-regardinginterference - Part 1

2006-12-28 Thread Rich Comroe
Again, I think they're already being made, aren't they? for 3.5GHz. Doesn't have to be final WiMAX ... I presume that all the pre-WiMAX products are OFDM and TDD. I've yet to hear of one at 900, 2.4, or 5. Anyone? Am I all wet on what the pre-WiMAX products are? I could very well be all

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios have arrived-regardinginterference - Part 1

2006-12-28 Thread Tom DeReggi
It was a lot more fun back then, being on the Trango side. When Sunstream/Trango was the undisputed leader, it was easy to win a debate. Its not so easy and clear anymore. Every player is a winner and a loser from some perspective. Maybe they can do it again! I don't doubt that they can do

RE: [WISPA] PAcket loss with CSMA/CA

2006-12-28 Thread Gino A. Villarini
Imho, packet loss on your system is happening when the latency or retrans is exceeding the tcp timeout ..? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios have arrived

2006-12-28 Thread Tom DeReggi
I think you'll get your wish. Isn't this what WiMAX is? Yes, but don;t predict we'll see a 900Mhz verion any time soon. But 5.8G, yes, I think it will be first half 2007. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Rich Comroe

RE: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios have arrived-regardinginterference- Part 1

2006-12-28 Thread Patrick Leary
Alvarion's got actual WiMAX gear Rich. Our WiMAX-certified BreezeMAX 3500 is being deployed in over 100 commercial networks along with about 120 trials. In the U.S. we are selling and deploying early BreezeMAX 2500 and BreezeMAX 2300 to a handful of operators. These are TDD 802.16e-ready

RE: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios have arrived

2006-12-28 Thread Patrick Leary
Lots of myth around WiMAX unlicensed. I've posted about it many times and spoke about it many more, but people still continue to believe the myths. FOLKS, get it through your heads that WiMAX in unlicensed has lots of challenges until they can solve the problem of the .16 MAC in UL bands. I know

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios havearrived-regardinginterference- Part 1

2006-12-28 Thread Rich Comroe
Thanks for the info, Patrick. I sure hope these systems have all the attributes that Tom Brad were describing, and they're real and can be evaluated live now. I presume they have OFDM and TDD. Can anyone comment if they have everything in Brad's wish list? What we really want is an

RE: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios havearrived-regardinginterference-Part 1

2006-12-28 Thread Patrick Leary
Better you tell me Rich. You in particular, I long ago learned, are eons smarter than I. http://www.alvarion.com/knowledgecenter/datasheets/#BREEZEMAX Specifically select the BreezeMAX 2300/2500 pdf. If you are guys are asking about UL, the market will not support the costs of the richness

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios have arrived

2006-12-28 Thread Rich Comroe
Can't argue with a manufacturer actually participating heavily in the WiMAX process. But I respectfully disagree here a bit. Fact is, it ain't ready because UL WiMAX ain't ready. IMHO It ain't ready because licensed MMDS replacement was the original 802.16 plan. Thoughts of UL had been

RE: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios have arrived

2006-12-28 Thread Patrick Leary
Where's the disagreement Rich. I said the WiMAX MAC was not ready for UL. I did not say in detail why (at least not in this post). For sure it is because the MAC was developed for licensed (LMDS actually) -- that's my point. It was never conceived of for UL. --- Also, there IS a WiMAX UL standard

[WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-28 Thread D. Ryan Spott
Sorry for the cross post. I am looking at replacing my array of TR6500s with something that can handle more than 30 concurrent users in a graceful manner. I have been looking at the Microtik line of products with an SR2 400mW Atheros radio in it. I know Matt Larsen uses StarOS with

RE: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-28 Thread Patrick Leary
Ryan, Why not stick with Tranzeo or one of the other legal (FCC-certified) brands? There's no need to go the illegal route and that includes even price these days. Plus, with a legal product you'll get the benefit of support and a warranty. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o:

Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-28 Thread Butch Evans
On Thu, 28 Dec 2006, D. Ryan Spott wrote: I have been looking at the Microtik line of products with an SR2 400mW Atheros radio in it. Does anyone have any input as to what direction to go? Really, this depends on what you want the AP to actually do (other than be a simple AP). I like the

Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-28 Thread D. Ryan Spott
On Dec 28, 2006, at 8:52 PM, Butch Evans wrote: On Thu, 28 Dec 2006, D. Ryan Spott wrote: I have been looking at the Microtik line of products with an SR2 400mW Atheros radio in it. Does anyone have any input as to what direction to go? Really, this depends on what you want the AP to

RE: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-28 Thread Butch Evans
On Thu, 28 Dec 2006, Patrick Leary wrote: Why not stick with Tranzeo or one of the other legal (FCC-certified) brands? Good idea, Patrick, but it doesn't answer the question that was asked. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/

Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-28 Thread D. Ryan Spott
On Dec 28, 2006, at 8:44 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: Ryan, Why not stick with Tranzeo or one of the other legal (FCC- certified) brands? Are you trying to troll? :) I am using all Tranzeo gear now. I am also looking for other options. I have 2 6500 series radios up at this site. They are

RE: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-28 Thread Patrick Leary
Butch, I wasn't trying to answer the question. I was asking one. I honestly do not understand the motivation these days for going the illegal route. I mean, besides simply being illegal, such a vendor has no quality controls, they can also just up and walk away from you and quit anytime, they have

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios have arrived

2006-12-28 Thread Rich Comroe
Where's the disagreement Rich. I said the WiMAX MAC was not ready for UL I hear you. My disagreement is that a UL wisp standard SHOULD have been ready YEARS ago. HiperMAN is different than HiperLAN/2 (I incorrectly called it HyperLAN2 in the previous posts). You say the spec for UL WiMAX is

RE: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-28 Thread Patrick Leary
I've been around here for 8 years (well, WISP lists in general) so I can't be a troll in my own house! :) And this is not about Alvarion, it's about legal vs. illegal systems. As much as I like kit cars Ryan (I always thought it'd be cool to build one), your analogy is incorrect. The FCC

RE: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios have arrived

2006-12-28 Thread Patrick Leary
Rich, I said the spec (profile) for UL WiMAX IS done and has been for over a year. But the spec does not solve the 802.16 problem in UL and all the vendors know it, thus the creation of 802.16h (which we have not yet discussed in this thread) http://www.ieee802.org/16/le/ which we chair. UL WiMAX

Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-28 Thread Lonnie Nunweiler
Patrick, This is simply the LOWEST blow I have EVER seen you throw. You have always been an Evangelist and I have seen you come and go from several lists, while me and my people have survived legal blind sides and we have outlived several LARGER companies. Yep, pretty low. Plus it did not

Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-28 Thread D. Ryan Spott
Can anyone just answer the questions I had without fighting amongst yourselves? (I thought Xmas with the inlaws was bad!) Lonnie... If I were to buy a StarOS type product, would it be compatable with the CPQ series radios from Tranzeo? What sort of client load should I be able to support

Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-28 Thread Butch Evans
On Thu, 28 Dec 2006, D. Ryan Spott wrote: I agree. Other than some *cough*open source*cough*licensing issues*cough* I can see that there is lots that can be done with the Microtik. Open source has nothing to do with it. Mikrotik does adhere to the open source licensing requirement. As for

RE: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-28 Thread Patrick Leary
Lonnie, Not sure why you are fired up. Your product is software that gets loaded into hardware so I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about illegal hardware and what is untrue about what I said about illegal hardware suppliers? Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c:

Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-28 Thread Lonnie Nunweiler
Ryan, I have no personal experience with the Tranzeo line so I cannot answer directly. Through helping people on our Support Forums I know some people have nothing but trouble while others have a really good experience with the CPQ series on our Access Points. I think it all depends on the

Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-28 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
I happen to use his software, and assemble hardware from various vendors, including him. I am scrupulously careful to be within the 2.4 and 5.8 eirp rules ( well under all limits) and don't deploy wild and crazy configs. I suppose I am illegal, but then recently I visited a consultant who had a

Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-28 Thread Butch Evans
On Thu, 28 Dec 2006, Mark Koskenmaki wrote: IF someone built a product that would perform anywhere near as well and had anywhere NEAR the features, I might consider buying it. As much as I am intrigued by your VL product, every time I look at it, I remind myself that in order to be even

Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-28 Thread N White
We never used the TRCPQ, but we do have several hundred TRCPEs and TRCPE200s. We have 3 Access points with ~50 clients each- a combination of TRCPE, CPE200, and DemarcTech units. This handles well. If I remember correctly, the TRCPE is Atheros based(?) and I would think that it should work

RE: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-28 Thread Patrick Leary
Lonnie, you are just doing what I wish I were smart enough to do -- write code people are willing to pay for. Software is always better than hardware: you avoid FCC hassles, you have no hard shipping or packaging costs, you need no production facilities, you don't have to negotiate purchase of and

Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-28 Thread George Rogato
Butch Evans wrote: It is my contention (and yours, it seems) that a router at the CPE is necessary. BINGO. Qwest DSL has a router at every customer. Ever taken a look at what those Actiontec wireless dsl routers do... As we stated in an earlier thread, those pesky routers matter more

Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-28 Thread N White
Correction. It's late, I'm tired, and have had too much wine. I meant that the TRCPQ is Atheros based, not TRCPE. This is from a Tranzeo list: The CPE90 is Marvell. The 900, the CPQ, the 6000, the 49, and the 5a are all Atheros based. The CPE200, the 1000, 2000,

Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-28 Thread George Rogato
Then you must not be aware that Lonnie is now also selling the complete package. The newest product is Star V3, Atheros cm9 and a gateworks customized board to Lonnies specs. It's called the WAR board, or Wireless Advanced Router. They come in 2 flavors, a 4 port 533MHz proc or a 2 port

RE: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-28 Thread Patrick Leary
Right guys, I accept all that may be true but even in the DSL world, customers provide their own routers and that is certainly true of commercial customers. In any event, VL does many of things for which you think make a router so critical. Even better, it does a lot of them at the RF level which

Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-28 Thread George Rogato
Patrick Leary wrote: Right guys, I accept all that may be true but even in the DSL world, customers provide their own routers and that is certainly true of commercial customers. Not in the Qwest DSL world. at least the resi stuff they sell. Comes with an actiontec or 2wire wireless router