[WISPA] Agenda: FTC Broadband CompetitionWorkshop

2007-01-10 Thread Peter R.
Subject: [Open-net-working-group] Agenda: FTC Broadband CompetitionWorkshop (From http://www.ftc.gov/opp/workshops/broadband/index.html) http://www.ftc.gov/opp/workshops/broadband/agenda.pdf AGENDA Tuesday, February 13—Morning Session Opening Remarks by Chairman Majoras Technical

RE: [WISPA] WISP covering Ash Grove, MO?

2007-01-10 Thread Dennis Burgess - 2K Wireless
There is a co on the part-15 list. Craig House, of mowisp.com. I shot him the info. He has a number of towers in the area. :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 5:01 AM To: WISPA General

[WISPA] crown castle

2007-01-10 Thread chris cooper
Can anyone tell me what Crown Castle typically charges for a wisp type setup- 2 BH radios and a sector antenna? They are quoting me $1750 for the structural analysis. Thanks Chris -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:

RE: [WISPA] crown castle

2007-01-10 Thread Brian Webster
That sounds pretty typical for a structural study. Many tower companies will require this study each time a new tenant proposes to add equipment to the tower. Also watch out for any application fees and the requirement to use only their approved construction crews. That could affect your

[WISPA] what's this list all about anyhow?

2007-01-10 Thread Marty Dougherty
This list is often very ugly and can be a big waste of time. Has it always been that way? Marty ___ Marty Dougherty CEO Roadstar Internet Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 703-554-6620 www.roadstarinternet.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [WISPA] what's this list all about anyhow?

2007-01-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Sure. Anytime there are people around I agree though. I don't understand why people that disagree can't do so without the insults. Like mama used to say, if you've got nothing good to say grin Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Peter R.
Mark, How does YOUR view address the real competition that towns have to attract new business? Bad roads? That's everywhere. Lousy schools? Uh, again everywhere. But you can't fix either without a tax base and a working (paycheck collecting) community. Many companies tele-source call

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Dawn DiPietro
Mark, I did overstep my bounds a little and do apologize for the last statement in my post. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Dawn DiPietro wrote: Mark, Many if not most RFP's today require a percentage of accounts be discounted heavily or given away for just the reasons you are describing. The

RE: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Brad Belton
I'll agree with Mark on this. There are many that are exploiting city counsel's across the country to only line their own pockets. I have read about one muni-wifi failure after another...point me to a real success story. As a percentage my guess is the failures far, far outweigh the successes.

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Dawn DiPietro
Brad, Here is a link you might want to read up on. http://muniwireless.com/municipal/1556 Regards, Dawn DiPietro Brad Belton wrote: I'll agree with Mark on this. There are many that are exploiting city counsel's across the country to only line their own pockets. I have read about one

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
- Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly Mark, How does YOUR view address the real competition that towns have to attract new

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
There is some important info missing here. How many are actually running. What do they cost? How much do they generate/save? How many are under construction? How many are still in the planning stages? Calling the planning stage deployments, deployments seems less than genuine to me. I'm

RE: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Brad Belton
Hello Dawn, I appreciate the link. Pretty sure I've been there in the past, but nevertheless I'm sure the muniwireless website will offer completely unbiased viewpoints. grin I still believe the cellular guys will ultimately be the best choice for the mobile user. Even with today's technology

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
- Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly Mark, Many if not most RFP's today require a percentage of accounts be

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Dawn DiPietro
Marlon, Comments inline. There is some important info missing here. How many are actually running. What do they cost? How much do they generate/save? How many are under construction? How many are still in the planning stages? Calling the planning stage deployments, deployments seems

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
- Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly Mark, How does YOUR view address the real competition that towns have to attract new

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
Don't worry, Dawn :) I never for a moment thought you had any offense intended.And even if you did... heh, I certainly won't remember it tomorrow... You're all one install from being forgotten, as when I'm busy, I don't really think about the subjects on this list... Just the stuff I learn.

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
Interestingly enough, the town I used to live in, just a few miles from me, offers discounted water, garbage sewer, AND electricity as an economic incentive. Certainly, the wisdom of our forefathers in investing in future electrical production paid off handsomely in the lives of the people of

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Peter R.
Well, there is an a good book about the chicken and egg: The Rise of the Creative Class. Dr. Florida has studied what makes an urban area thrive. It involves what he describes as the Creative Class. Those are the people that drive the city - with events, charity work, spending, yada. These

[WISPA] [Fwd: WISP 60 Second Newsletter]

2007-01-10 Thread Peter R.
Is this a WISPA sponsored publication? Or just someone who snagged my email off the list? Original Message Subject:WISP 60 Second Newsletter Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 11:33:18 -0800 From: Rick Ricker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: WISP 60 Second Newsletter]

2007-01-10 Thread Dylan Oliver
I feel violated. Sponsored emails *to the list* are good; emails sent directly to me are not. On 1/10/07, Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this a WISPA sponsored publication? Or just someone who snagged my email off the list? -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List:

Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: WISP 60 Second Newsletter]

2007-01-10 Thread Dawn DiPietro
I am not sure but Ken and I just got the same thing. Peter R. wrote: Is this a WISPA sponsored publication? Or just someone who snagged my email off the list? Original Message Subject: WISP 60 Second Newsletter Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 11:33:18 -0800 From: Rick

Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: WISP 60 Second Newsletter]

2007-01-10 Thread Jeremy Davis
Peter R. wrote: Is this a WISPA sponsored publication? Or just someone who snagged my email off the list? I am getting it as well. Jeremy -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:

Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: WISP 60 Second Newsletter]

2007-01-10 Thread Butch Evans
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007, Peter R. wrote: Is this a WISPA sponsored publication? Or just someone who snagged my email off the list? If we all send 100 unsubscribe requests, then perhaps he will stop doing this. I've sent unsubscribe requests in the past, which were ignored, as I got this one,

RE: [WISPA] [Fwd: WISP 60 Second Newsletter]

2007-01-10 Thread Rick Smith
me 2. And it's all stuff we've discussed already. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeremy Davis Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 2:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: WISP 60 Second Newsletter]

RE: [WISPA] [Fwd: WISP 60 Second Newsletter]

2007-01-10 Thread Jeff Broadwick
I got it too...on a list only email addy...not only is he spamming, but he's not even targeting. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 3:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Cc: [EMAIL

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Rick Harnish
-Original Message- From: Dawn DiPietro[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 1/10/07 1:22:52 PM To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly Brad, Here is a link you might want to read up on.

[WISPA] i-phone

2007-01-10 Thread chris cooper
How do you feel the rise of the i-phone (either cisco or apple) will affect your business? Will this be positive because it drives more customers onto your wi-fi networks with their dual mode phone? Or, will it be negative as more devices become standardized on cellular carrier's networks? Will

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
- Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly Marlon, Comments inline. There is some important info missing here. How many

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Dawn DiPietro
Marlon, Interesting. Only 7500 b/g ap's in 50 square miles. Anyone care to run the radio mobile map of that? hehehehe At least they should almost all be indoors. But that's still 150 ap's per square mile Yikes. That does NOT count microwave ovens, non wifi devices, phones, cameras etc.

[WISPA] Hey I need to quickly find

2007-01-10 Thread Forbes Mercy
Where can I get the best price on the parabolic dish that goes with the Motorola Canopy 2.4 radios? I need to get some and my sysadmin is unavailable. See what happens when the boss is in charge? :) Feel free to contact me off list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] there so no need to start a thread out

[WISPA] AutoNet and the Cellphone Networks for 95% Coverage

2007-01-10 Thread Dawn DiPietro
Brad, This article posted below might validate your point of view but we will have to see how this system actually works. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Cellular phone network used as backhaul for WiFi hotspot in cars by Guy J Kewney | posted on 05 January 2007 Autonet coverage Two 3G (sort of)

RE: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Ralph
Yep- you are correct, sir- I have it from a very reliable source. * EL locates on City (or whatever utility it is) poles. * They pledge that they will allow other ISPs to wheel their service over the network (many spare SSIDs are available) * They foot the bill for the install (I'd say 2 million

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Oy! You are right. What I MEANT to say, was that there were 7500 that are NOT on channel 6. My bad. marlon - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Muni

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Now for the next phase that should happen. EL should come to WISPA and work a deal with wisps nationwide. WE provide access to them on OUR networks. Then EL stops loosing dialup customers in Ephrata and Moses Lake. But no need to spend the 2 million :-) Hmmm, maybe I'm still ahead of the

RE: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Brian Webster
If WISPA is serious about this someone hit me off list and I'll investigate the internal EL contacts to start any negotiations. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: Marlon K. Schafer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:

RE: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Rick Smith
well, I for one converted 3 EL customers this week. 2 more next week so far. the DSL plant they're working with up here (Sprint local) is just my best advertising. Fastest they offer is 512 / 90. lol. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Tom DeReggi
Which is why tax dollars should pay for it, and not The winning bidder. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 9:13 AM

[WISPA] Re: [MikroTik] Anyone actually done wireless municipal networks yet ?

2007-01-10 Thread Butch Evans
On Tue, 9 Jan 2007, Rick Smith wrote: Looking at a great possibility here, for a whole county in NJ installing a municipal driven wireless network, operating a public safety network as well as a broadband delivery component for other ISPs and Customers... I've done this part. The network I

Re: [WISPA] crown castle

2007-01-10 Thread Tom DeReggi
Structural analasis fee is appropriately priced. But most likely the structural is NOT needed. When Telco's put up elaborate infrastrucure it is often needed. It is not likely needed for a small WISP installtion. Its also likely that existing gear can come down. If the gear going up is less

Re: [WISPA] churn, double play and why WLP is key - I finallyunderstand it

2007-01-10 Thread Tom DeReggi
Agreed. I bought a CPE once and it was a 30 day wait. They clearly didn't have funds to do production, and were looking for their clients to fund the production. I didn't know Towersteam dumped Aperto. What did they switch to? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless

Re: [WISPA] sr5/wrap

2007-01-10 Thread Pete Davis
I deployed a WRAP 2C with a Sr5 and Prism2511mp, 18VDC POE, and I had a constant problem with it rebooting until I replaced the WRAP with a Routerboard 532A. I put the little MiniPCI riser card thing on it, and put 2x Prism2511's, 1x SR5 and 1x Sr2. Its been running pretty reliably since then.