Re: [WISPA] CPI suing FCC to get at real state of broadbandcompetition in the US

2007-01-24 Thread Tom DeReggi
I disagree with that. Confidentiality was promised to the form fillers. If that confidentiality is breached, ISPs would never honestly fill them out again, after being betrayed. The FCC is holding firm, as they know, its the only way to keep getting accurate data, and standing behind its word

[WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-01-24 Thread Dawn DiPietro
All, This might clear up some confusion about which spectrum might become unlicensed. As quoted from the press release; The WIN Act specifically requires the FCC to permit license-free use of the unassigned broadcast spectrum between 54MHz and 698 MHz within

Re: [WISPA] CPI suing FCC to get at real state of broadbandcompetition in the US

2007-01-24 Thread Peter R.
That actually may be the head of the nail. Maybe not everyone DID fill it out honorably -- and hence the data is seriously flawed... Data that the FCC uses regularly to deregulate. Data that the FCC and the gov't uses regularly to grant so much to the ILECs. Someone needs to verify the

[WISPA] BelAir Networks VAR Program

2007-01-24 Thread Peter R.
Anybody using BelAir? They have made some stabs at doing Muni RFP's but had some capital issues. http://www.phoneplusmag.com/hotnews/71h17132810.html BelAir Networks, a mobile broadband multiservice wireless mesh network provider, today announced an expanded VAR channel program. BelAir

RE: [WISPA] SmartPhone Happiness...

2007-01-24 Thread paul hendry
I'm running putty on my E70. Is great to be on a roof with mobile in one hand whilst you pan your StarOS or Mikrotik cpe ;) Only down side seems to be the lack of a tab key. -Original Message- From: Chad Halsted [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 January 2007 19:32 To: WISPA General

Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-01-24 Thread Mario Pommier
Any info through the grapevine about the likelihood of this spectrum becoming unlicensed? Then, I suppose a standard will have to be drafted and approved before we see any gear. So is that a couple of years if we're lucky before we can use sub-700Mhz to penetrate through trees in rural

Re: [WISPA] CPI suing FCC to get at real state of broadbandcompetition in the US

2007-01-24 Thread John Scrivner
The government cannot request data with a note saying it is confidential and then turn around and say it is not. That is not going to fly. If my data is shared with others then I will file suit against the FCC myself. Peter, how can you possibly support the idea that it is ok for confidential

Re: [WISPA] CPI suing FCC to get at real state of broadbandcompetitionin the US

2007-01-24 Thread Jory Privett
I do not think Peters argument was that the data should be shared. I think he is against that as much as anyone. BUT what needs to happen is that someone needs to check and verify the data that is collected. The FCC does no review of what is submitted. A ILEC could have on DSL line in a

Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-01-24 Thread John Scrivner
The standard (as far as how gear can operate in the bands) has been created through the NPRM known as 04-186 which has gone through about 3 years of the FCC meat grinder. There is no IEEE standard or anything like that but the rules are as clear as any other unlicensed standard. Companies like

Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-01-24 Thread RickG
What kind of speed can be obtained on such low frequencies? -RickG On 1/24/07, John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The standard (as far as how gear can operate in the bands) has been created through the NPRM known as 04-186 which has gone through about 3 years of the FCC meat grinder. There

Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-01-24 Thread Steve Stroh
John: There IS an IEEE standard in the works for the TV whitespaces - 802.22 - http://www.ieee802.org/22/ Thanks, Steve On Jan 24, 2007, at Jan 24 07:55 AM, John Scrivner wrote: The standard (as far as how gear can operate in the bands) has been created through the NPRM known as

RE: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-01-24 Thread Mac Dearman
This spectrum is the Goose's Golden egg for all of us in VERY rural areas. It will absolutely revolutionize N. Louisiana as far as internet/intranet access. We cover about ~12% of Louisiana, but cant reach but about 4 out 10 when we do site surveys. Steve - - you are always full of info and

Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-01-24 Thread Jack Unger
Likelihood of unlicensed??? My guess is that the established communications carriers and the broadcasters will fight the concept of license-free use of this space. I expect it will come down to who lobbies Congress most effectively. Mario Pommier wrote: Any info through the grapevine about

[WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-24 Thread Jason
List, Several times in the last few weeks the topic of bandwidth management has been discussed, but I Still Haven't Found What I'm Lookin' For... Here's what I'd like to do: 1. Each user starts with a big Internet Pipe. This way casual surfing and emails, etc. happen nice and snappy.

Re: [WISPA] CPI suing FCC to get at real state of broadband competition in the US

2007-01-24 Thread Jack Unger
And yet another point of view: http://www.thenation.com/doc/20061016/nichols Yes, there has been an Abolish the FCC movement alive for at least 10 and probably 20 years. FOMHR (For Our Many Happy Readers) here are two (of the many) points of view:

Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-24 Thread Matt Liotta
Have you thought about selling the customer a pipe that works for any and all traffic at the speed the customer signed up for as opposed to deciding for the customer? -Matt Jason wrote: List, Several times in the last few weeks the topic of bandwidth management has been discussed, but I

Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-01-24 Thread John Scrivner
It depends on the depth of modulation used and other factors. In a 6 meg TV channel space I am guessing you could easily see 15 to 20 megabit aggregate throughput over a good coverage area. (Maybe 3 miles radius?) NOTE: The above are generalized best guesses on my part as I have never even

Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-24 Thread Mike Pearson
I believe what you would be looking for is something like a NetEqualizer. This device works to equalize all your traffic to make sure one user is not using up all the pipe. It works by tracking active connections by IP address, if it finds a user hogging the bandwidth it puts a delay on

RE: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-24 Thread Brad Belton
grin...read my mind. Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 11:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management Have you thought about selling the customer a

RE: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-24 Thread CHUCK PROFITO
We haven't used them but they do have an impressive client list, here's the link http://netequalizer.com/indexgoo.php Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-01-24 Thread John Scrivner
I knew there was an 802.22 effort but I had no idea that it was geared for any particular spectrum until now. Glad to hear the efforts are underway. Isn't Flarion's IP based closely on what will be 802.22? Was there an earlier effort for 802.22 standards development that was spectrum agnostic?

Re: [WISPA] CPI suing FCC to get at real state of broadbandcompetitionin the US

2007-01-24 Thread John Scrivner
I can agree that over-sight is in order. I think the General Accounting Office actually did this. Didn't the report get sent out here a while back? I know Tom De Reggi and some of the rest of the WISPA board were involved in helping fine tune this report. What became of that one guys? Thanks,

Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-24 Thread Mike Ireton
I'm with you jason - the subject of bandwidth management is an important one, and the fact is that new applications (crapplications?!) are appearing all the time which are pushing the business model into a tight spot. We have competing forces - on the one hand, we purchase expensive dedicated

Re: [WISPA] CPI suing FCC to get at real state of broadbandcompetition in the US

2007-01-24 Thread wispa
On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 09:36:49 -0600, John Scrivner wrote The government cannot request data with a note saying it is confidential and then turn around and say it is not. That is not going to fly. If my data is shared with others then I will file suit against the FCC myself. Peter, how can

Re: [WISPA] CPI suing FCC to get at real state of broadbandcompetitionin the US

2007-01-24 Thread wispa
On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 09:52:37 -0600, Jory Privett wrote I do not think Peters argument was that the data should be shared. I think he is against that as much as anyone. BUT what needs to happen is that someone needs to check and verify the data that is collected. The FCC does no review

Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-24 Thread Butch Evans
On Wed, 24 Jan 2007, Matt Liotta wrote: Have you thought about selling the customer a pipe that works for any and all traffic at the speed the customer signed up for as opposed to deciding for the customer? When your head dips below the cloud cover, you will realize that not everyone has

Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-24 Thread Rich Comroe
This thread should not hit a nerve, as I think it has. I've read a lot of your stuff, so I know you're a bright guy. You know that while telephone talk-time may not be metered for many phone services that if everyone picked up their phone that the chances of getting a trunk out of your local

RE: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-01-24 Thread Patrick Leary
Flarion's (QCOM) IP was to be the basis for 802.20, not 802.22. The effort by 802.22 has ALWAYS been rural-focused, and thus the sub 1 GHz bands, specifically the white spaces/TV bands. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL

[WISPA] DNS Timeout supposedly

2007-01-24 Thread Carl A jeptha
Sorry for the cross-post I am getting this report from dns reports.com: quote A timeout occurred getting the NS records from your nameservers! None of your nameservers responded fast enough. They are probably down or unreachable. I can't continue since your nameservers aren't responding. If

RE: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-24 Thread Mac Dearman
Matt, What an asinine comment! You sound like you ought to be giving bandwidth away with the pride and carefree attitude that you portrayed with such indignant comment. If the truth was known you aren't any different than anyone else on this list - - the sub gets what they pay for. You can

RE: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-24 Thread Patrick Leary
Rich, --- Here is the detail from the manual. I have first cut pasted the graceful degradation math detail: Graceful Degradation Limit (AU only) Sets the limit on using the graceful degradation algorithm. In cases of over demand, the performance of all SUs is degraded proportionally to their

RE: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-24 Thread Patrick Leary
Matt (Liota) and the rest of us need to remember that Matt sells only dedicated ptp links. He does not deploy a PMP, so his inputs and answers generally do not reflect a pmp environment or its many orders higher complexity. That's not a dig Matt, it is just reality. Ptp is a far different world

RE: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-24 Thread Mac Dearman
My hat is off to you John! You possess skills that I don't in saying things that I should have said in a different fashion :-) I am not now - nor have I ever been in a class that is politically correct and unless something serious happens - - - - - never will be :-) Mac -Original

Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-24 Thread Travis Johnson
Butch, That's not correct. About 5 years ago, we were paying $1,500 per T1 and selling T1 speed wireless for $250 per month. Seven to eight years ago we were paying $3,000 per T1 and selling wireless T1 for $250 per month. This is the entire ISP business model. Travis Microserv Butch Evans

Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-24 Thread Travis Johnson
OR, we could stop playing the Cable Co. and Telco games with their up to 3meg and up to 7meg connections for $34.95 and just start selling what they get. We started selling 512k, 1meg, 1.5meg and 2meg connections (up and down, guaranteed speed 24x7) about 3 years ago. It was the best thing we

Re: [WISPA] SmartPhone Happiness...

2007-01-24 Thread Chad Halsted
have you tried mobile ssh? On 1/24/07, paul hendry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm running putty on my E70. Is great to be on a roof with mobile in one hand whilst you pan your StarOS or Mikrotik cpe ;) Only down side seems to be the lack of a tab key. -Original Message- From: Chad

Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-24 Thread Butch Evans
On Wed, 24 Jan 2007, Travis Johnson wrote: That's not correct. About 5 years ago, we were paying $1,500 per T1 and selling T1 speed wireless for $250 per month. Seven to eight years ago we were paying $3,000 per T1 and selling wireless T1 for $250 per month. This is the entire ISP business

Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-24 Thread Rich Comroe
Thanks much. I love it when you talk technical! Sorry, couldn't help it... No really, the devil is always in the details in these things. This is just the detail I was looking for. After I digest I hope I may send questions your way off-list. Still hoping operators using other brands will

[WISPA] Service Offerings, By Speed or All You Can Eat? Was: Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-24 Thread RickG
Sorry guys for hijacking the thread but this hit a chord... I've sold bandwidth in all sorts of ways but the most prevalent is by speed which is the way am currently doing it. My question is this: What if you played the cable game and just sell all you can eat? Would that not free up your

Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-24 Thread Jason Wallace
That is exactly the issue I have. The system I need this for is an extremely rural retirement community, satellite-connected WISP with 1meg down 128k up and 266megs total per day limit (8gig spread over 30 days). Just one all night P2P session will cause the upstream provider to cut the

Re: [WISPA] BelAir Networks VAR Program

2007-01-24 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Talk to David Wilson about this. He used to work for them. - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 5:49 AM Subject: [WISPA] BelAir Networks VAR Program Anybody using BelAir? They have made

Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-01-24 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
WISPA has been working on this for a couple of years now. Independently and with Cisco, New America, Media Access Project and I've recently had talks with the 802.22 (ieee white spaces standards group) folks. As always, we need more bodies to go a better job. laters, marlon - Original

RE: [WISPA] Service Offerings, By Speed or All You Can Eat? Was: Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-24 Thread Brad Belton
Holy cow! Stepped away from the 'puter for a bit and see that everyone's beating up on poor 'ol Matt for making a perfectly correct statement! No surprise as to some of the people commenting here that largely promote best effort gear, but others that have commented should know better. Rick,

Re: [WISPA] Service Offerings, By Speed or All You Can Eat? Was: Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-24 Thread Travis Johnson
No... I don't think that model works... because Joe Surfer sees how fast this last movie downloaded and decides to grab 3 more while he's at it... The model of the customer will use what they are going to use and then get off is not true... imagine if Joe Surfer figures out he can download the

Re: [WISPA] Service Offerings, By Speed or All You Can Eat? Was: Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-24 Thread RickG
Ya, thats my gut feeling and why I havent done it. Thanks! On 1/24/07, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No... I don't think that model works... because Joe Surfer sees how fast this last movie downloaded and decides to grab 3 more while he's at it... The model of the customer will use

[WISPA] Mikrotik 1 to 1 NAT question

2007-01-24 Thread Don Annas
I have an office router/Mikrotik that has a wan IP that is set up as a global nat to an inside private range. Additionally, we have a /27 routed to the Mikrotik and are doing 1 to 1 nat translations using dstnat for certain servers. Our problem is that while traffic can get to these devices

Re: [WISPA] Service Offerings, By Speed or All You Can Eat? Was: Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-24 Thread John Scrivner
I have a funny story to share which is along these lines. My son is in college now at U of I in a fraternity. (President of his Frat I might add!) When he was in high school he would use our wireless connection at home to download using Bit Torrent and other P2P packages. At that time we had

Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-24 Thread Ryan Langseth
On Jan 24, 2007, at 8:25 PM, Rich Comroe wrote: Thanks much. I love it when you talk technical! Sorry, couldn't help it... No really, the devil is always in the details in these things. This is just the detail I was looking for. After I digest I hope I may send questions your way