Re: [WISPA] Service Offerings, By Speed or All You Can Eat? Was: Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-25 Thread John J. Thomas
But, the model will work if you bill by the bytes If Joe is paying $40 per month for 6 Gig and gets throttled at 6 Gig, then he has a disincentive for keeping going. If he is paying $40 for unlimited access, he has no reason to slow down. Charter cable is doing 10 meg down/1 meg up in

RE: [WISPA] SmartPhone Happiness...

2007-01-25 Thread paul hendry
Nope. Does it add a tab key as this seems to be the only thing missing from the free Putty. -Original Message- From: Chad Halsted [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 25 January 2007 01:41 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] SmartPhone Happiness... have you tried mobile ssh? On

RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik 1 to 1 NAT question

2007-01-25 Thread paul hendry
You will need to add a srcnat rule for every dstnat rule you want to work. Cheers, P. Skyline Networks Consultancy Ltd www.skyline-networks.com -Original Message- From: Don Annas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 25 January 2007 04:52 To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik 1

Re: [WISPA] Service Offerings, By Speed or All You Can Eat? Was: Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-25 Thread KyWiFi LLC
Here are the plans I am working to make available in 2007 for our own subscribers: 5 Mbps / 1 Mbps for $59.99 10 Mbps / 2 Mbps for $69.99 15 Mbps / 3 Mbps for $79.99 20 Mbps / 4 Mbps for $89.99 Just because you give someone faster speeds, don't assume they will consume more bandwidth. Our subs

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik 1 to 1 NAT question

2007-01-25 Thread Jeremy Davis
Don Annas wrote: I have an office router/Mikrotik that has a wan IP that is set up as a global nat to an inside private range. Additionally, we have a /27 routed to the Mikrotik and are doing 1 to 1 nat translations using dstnat for certain servers. Our problem is that while traffic can get to

[WISPA] Tranzeo Wireless agrees to acquire Sensoria for cash and shares

2007-01-25 Thread Dawn DiPietro
Tranzeo Wireless agrees to acquire Sensoria for cash and shares Canadian Press Published: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 PITT MEADOWS, B.C. (CP) - Tranzeo Wireless Technologies Inc. (TSX:TZT) has agreed to acquire the assets of San Diego, Calif.-based Sensoria Corp. and hire most of its

[WISPA] More debate over the 700MHz spectrum..

2007-01-25 Thread Dawn DiPietro
High-tech interests come out against increased spectrum for public safety By Jeffrey Silva Story posted: January 23, 2007 - 1:46 pm EDT Mobile-phone and high-tech sectors urged the new Democratic-led Congress to oppose any effort to dilute the pool of auction-bound 700 MHz spectrum, a major

[WISPA] San Francisco Mayor Submits Wireless Proposal to Board of Supervisors

2007-01-25 Thread Dawn DiPietro
San Francisco Mayor Submits Wireless Proposal to Board of Supervisors Jan 24, 2007 News Release Mayor Gavin Newsom today submitted legislation that would codify the agreement the city has reached with a Earthlink/Google partnership that would make San Francisco the first major city in the

RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik 1 to 1 NAT question

2007-01-25 Thread Don Annas
Thank you very much Paul. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of paul hendry Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 4:15 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik 1 to 1 NAT question You will need to add a srcnat rule for every dstnat

Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-25 Thread Peter R.
Do any of you use caching to save on bandwidth consumption? Blair Davis wrote: The other point is, that with a good mix of residential and business customers, and a little creative thinking, one can match their usage patterns to minimize ones peak bandwidth requirements while still

Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth / ATT

2007-01-25 Thread Peter R.
Just so you know - Cingular is indeed a separate entity from BST and att. Assets from one are not found by the other. Heck, SBC assets can't be found by att. Level3 can't identify Progress or Telcove lit buildings. The bigger they get, the worse it gets. But the opportunity to steal customers

Re: [WISPA] Service Offerings - Competing

2007-01-25 Thread Peter R.
John J. Thomas wrote: But, the model will work if you bill by the bytes If Joe is paying $40 per month for 6 Gig and gets throttled at 6 Gig, then he has a disincentive for keeping going. If he is paying $40 for unlimited access, he has no reason to slow down. Charter cable is doing 10

Re: [WISPA] CPI suing FCC to get at real state of

2007-01-25 Thread Peter R.
wispa wrote: The only time that makes sense, is when it pays to do it, that's why. So why and how would someone profit from doing it. Answer that question, and you'll answer why there are broadband problems in the US (if there really is any) and it won't require a single confidentiality

Re: [WISPA] Service Offerings, By Speed

2007-01-25 Thread Peter R.
John J. Thomas wrote: But, the model will work if you bill by the bytes If Joe is paying $40 per month for 6 Gig and gets throttled at 6 Gig, then he has a disincentive for keeping going. If he is paying $40 for unlimited access, he has no reason to slow down. Charter cable is doing 10

Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-25 Thread Peter R.
This will get harder as 4Q07 approaches and ATT rolls out it's $10 DSL and $19.95 Naked DSL - as per merger concessions. There will be a ton of disqualifiers. However, this will effectively put many Residential ISPs in the NFL cities out of business. I don't understand the race to the

[WISPA] Views of Downloading

2007-01-25 Thread Peter R.
Most Americans regard the illegal downloading and distributing of Hollywood movies as something on par with minor parking offenses, according to a report issued Wednesday. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070125/wr_nm/piract_dc_1 -- Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We

Re: [WISPA] More debate over the 700MHz spectrum..

2007-01-25 Thread Mario Pommier
Those analog converter boxes: where do people buy those and who offers them? How about an agency dispensing vouchers for Wireless CPE in order to transition users in rural areas into fixed wireless broadband at sub-700Mhz unlicensed spectrum? Is this too much to ask? Or too naive? or both?

Re: [WISPA] Service Offerings, By Speed or All You Can Eat? Was: Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-25 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, I've said this many times before (starting 5+ years ago when Cable first came to my area)... if you are going to try and compete on price alone, you are going to be out of business soon. The CableCo and Telco's are loosing money on internet services right now, but they don't care. They

Re: [WISPA] Service Offerings, By Speed or All You Can Eat? Was: Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-25 Thread RickG
At one time I sold by the byte but only to the high bandwidth users that I would carry otherwise. I've said since 1999 that one day bandwidth will be by the byte. I think this could be the case if once carriers bandwidth was better than anothers. Then someone would pay for it. -RickG On 1/25/07,

Re: [WISPA] Views of Downloading

2007-01-25 Thread Dylan Oliver
to a report issued Wednesday. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070125/wr_nm/piract_dc_1 -- Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://www.marketingIDEAguy.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik 1 to 1 NAT question

2007-01-25 Thread Scott Reed
And it probably needs to be above the global rule in the list. paul hendry wrote: You will need to add a srcnat rule for every dstnat rule you want to work. Cheers, P. Skyline Networks Consultancy Ltd www.skyline-networks.com -Original Message- From: Don Annas [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [WISPA] Service Offerings, By Speed or All You Can Eat? Was: Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-25 Thread Tom DeReggi
Charter cable is doing 10 meg down/1 meg up in some markets for like $99 per month, how can you compete with that? Don't sell bandwidth! I tell all my customers, bandwidth is cheap, and thats just a small percentage of the costs in a Broadband bundle. What I'm really selling them is a

Re: [WISPA] Service Offerings, By Speed or All You Can Eat? Was:Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-25 Thread Tom DeReggi
Travis, It also appears you also are not attempting to compete on Peak Speed either. I agree with you fully. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, January 25,

[WISPA] My comment (was bandwidth management)

2007-01-25 Thread Matt Liotta
I was out most of yesterday, so I missed responding to the bandwidth management thread. I don't want to respond to any of the individual emails at this point. Below is a summary of responses in not particular order. I believe customers should pay for the bandwidth they want/need and in turn

Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-25 Thread Tom DeReggi
But we can;t forget about delivery! Anyone can create a price sheet, but can they deliver? The day the competors delivers 10 meg for $10 per month, and consistently delviers to the majority of the population, it will be past the time to look into being in another business. But I'm betting on

RE: [WISPA] Service Offerings, By Speed or All You Can Eat? Was: Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-25 Thread Jeff Broadwick
Well stated Tom. I can't tell you how many ISP sites I've been to that don't have phone numbers, or bury them so that they are hard to find. Comcast is the worst with this. Answering the phone is the next issue of course... :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [WISPA] Service Offerings, By Speed or All You Can Eat? Was: Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-25 Thread Travis Johnson
Which is a whole other issue... we still answer EVERY phone call with a live person... always. No auto attendant. We also don't allow our customers to hold for tech support. They are placed in a call back system and we return the call with a live tech ready to help. You would be surprised how

Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-25 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Yeppers, one size does not fit all. Out here, I have customers that get 30 meg for $50 per month. I also have customers that pay $350 for 6 megs. We don't bill for speed out here though. Everyone gets to go as fast as I can make them go. I bill per bit. MOST of our customers get REALLY

Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-25 Thread Jason
I do. I run a squid cache (that way filtering comes easy too). I get a hit rate of 40% (40% of requested items come from the cache), and this accounts for 20% of the bandwidth (the 40% are usually small graphics, etc). So I stretch my bandwidth by about 20%. Jason Peter R. wrote: Do any

Re: [WISPA] Service Offerings, By Speed or All You Can Eat? Was:Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-25 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
We have a customer that signed up for a service on the net that allowed him to download all of the movies he wanted for almost nothing. His kids were getting 2 to 3 movies per DAY. He chewed up 70 gigs of data per month. He was willing to pay $100 per month to us but I'd have had to put in

Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-25 Thread Rich Comroe
Wow! Thanks much. So linux bandwidth management implements the Token Bucket Algorithm in its queue controls, which is similar to, but not the same as the Leaky Bucket Algorithm I'm familiar with. I'm trying to understand the subtle diference, but it'll take some time: Now that I've read

Re: [WISPA] More debate over the 700MHz spectrum..

2007-01-25 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
all of those companies, especially Aloha, have a lot of balls saying any such thing! Let them utilize at least 50% of what they've got before them come back to the table for more spectrum! Unlicensed is where the future is Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment

[WISPA] Gist of SF/Earthlink/Google Report

2007-01-25 Thread Dawn DiPietro
All, For anyone who did not get a chance to read the SF/Earthlink/Google report that was posted a few weeks back here is an article that summarizes of what the report had to say. Link to 3 page article below;

RE: [WISPA] More debate over the 700MHz spectrum..

2007-01-25 Thread Gino Villarini
I concur ... Aloha holds lots of 700 spectrum, under utilized ... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181

RE: [WISPA] More debate over the 700MHz spectrum..

2007-01-25 Thread Patrick Leary
Aloha was the biggest bidder in the lower 700 MHz auction a few years back. Later, they bought up all the lower 700 MHz spectrum from two of the other large bidders, Cavalier Wireless (2nd largest bidder) and Datacom Wireless (3rd). The only other remaining large bidder from that auction is Paul

[WISPA] Form FCC477

2007-01-25 Thread Cliff Leboeuf
Hehe!!! I just received my reminder that my new 'confidential' FCC 477 form will be due shortly. Cliff LeBoeuf www.cssla.com www.triparish.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:

Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-25 Thread Rich Comroe
Great reference and I've learned a tremendous amount from this list. I learned that I have been mis-using the term Leaky Bucket. I now understand that what Jason described to the list is Token Bucket (I was totally wet in my earlier reply calling it Leaky Bucket). Radios that implement bw

Re: [WISPA] Form FCC477

2007-01-25 Thread Joe Laura
Ya, I just got a notice as well. I wonder what the response rate will be this time around? Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Cliff Leboeuf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 2:02 PM

Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-25 Thread Jason
From what I understand, there are many types of qdisc (HTB, CBQ, Prio, on and on) that you can invoke with the 'tc' linux command. HTB is the 'Hierarchical Token Bucket' that you hear a lot about because it works well. HTB should not be confused with 'Hierarchical TOLKIEN Bucket' that has

Re: [WISPA] Service Offerings, By Speed or All You Can Eat? Was:Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-25 Thread George Rogato
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: He's back down, close to a normal user now and loves his netflix. It's a FAR more cost effective mechanism for getting his movies to him. Netflix has started doing an online download your movie deal. The dvd's will eventually go out of favor.

Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-25 Thread Rich Comroe
My precious! It further occurs to me that even if you have radio built-in bw management you would also be pretty smart to have bw management enabled at the head-end, too. Why? Radio built-in bw management will block customer excess rate inbound customer traffic from wasting your rf capacity

Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-25 Thread George Rogato
And this is the benefit of using Star-Os at the customer end. We cbq them there. It would be great if thee was some advanced bandwidth management features available as well. Rich Comroe wrote: My precious! It further occurs to me that even if you have radio built-in bw management you

Re: [WISPA] Service Offerings, By Speed or All You Can Eat? Was:Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-25 Thread Sam Tetherow
Atleast in my neck of the woods, the DSL and Cable system aren't going to handle it much better than my wireless network will. They already are having issues with their upto 6M accounts and the fact that you don't very often get that 6M. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless George Rogato

Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-25 Thread Peter R.
They aren't saying 10MB for $10. They are saying DSL for $10 -- most likely DSL Lite. It will probably be felt my the dial-up providers like NetZero, since the price is used to add subs. New subs added is the metric that Wall St. is watching. SBC learned that at $10 they can convert dial-up

RE: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-25 Thread Dennis Burgess - 2K Wireless
Mikrotik can do this. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 11:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management List, Several times in the last few weeks the topic of

[WISPA] Fw: FCC Form 477 Reporting Reminder (Due March 1, 2007)

2007-01-25 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
RE: FCC Form 477 Reporting Reminder (Due September 1, 2006)Just a reminder! marlon - Original Message - From: FCC477 To: FCC 477 Contact Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 11:22 AM Subject: FCC Form 477 Reporting Reminder (Due March 1, 2007) Good afternoon, Since you were the contact

Re: [WISPA] Form FCC477

2007-01-25 Thread Tom DeReggi
Yeah, I think I'll wait to see the results of how the legal battle turns out before I file. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Cliff Leboeuf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday,

Re: [WISPA] Form FCC477

2007-01-25 Thread David E. Smith
Tom DeReggi wrote: Yeah, I think I'll wait to see the results of how the legal battle turns out before I file. The current form is due on March 1st, and the odds of the case being tied up before then are asymptotically close to zero. Besides, you're probably required to file either way.

Re: [WISPA] Form FCC477

2007-01-25 Thread George Rogato
The way I see it is, I already gave them this information, whats the use of now saying no you can't have it again. So I'll file again, why subject myself to possible liabilities. I just went through something similar with the oregon PUC and our clec status. And I alsmost lost my status

Re: [WISPA] Form FCC477

2007-01-25 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I'm not particularly worried about my info getting into anyone's hands. I've got nothing to hide. We'll fill it out again. I'm far more worried about the fines than competitors learning anything useful from the 477. Someone else brought up a great point. You can't market your company and

[WISPA] Re: [WISP] New report on Muni Wifi

2007-01-25 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
MessageFunny how so few press outlets will ever talk about anything at all negative about muni networks. This is clearly biased, but it's still a breath of fresh air to me! marlon - Original Message - From: Cameron To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 7:28

Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-25 Thread Sam Tetherow
Good point, but it is my understanding that with a well behaved TCP/IP stack the flow control is handled end to end on TCP traffic, so if it is just the last hop (AP to CPE) that is 'dropping' packets the rate is backed up stream so the sender will not continue to slam your connection, the

Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-25 Thread Sam Tetherow
Here is a link that does a decent job describing the Mikrotik implementation using burst-limit, burst-threshold and max-limit. Scroll down to the section labeled Burst (second to last section). http://www.mikrotik.org.pl/jakto.php?g=13PHPSESSID=5193496d65073e909b1f130b2e234135 Sam Tetherow

Re: [WISPA] Service Offerings - Competing

2007-01-25 Thread Sam Tetherow
There actually are some of us out here that don't have this luxury in our markets. My total market is approximately 3000 people (not households) and I have to go 45 miles in any direction to find another town with more than 80 people in it. I'm not saying this in a 'woe is me' tone, just