Re: [WISPA] Service Offerings - Competing

2007-02-04 Thread Eric Muehleisen
We have a stipulation in our AUP when the customer signs the initial contract that prohibits maximizing their connection for a sustained period of time. We enforce a 3 strike rule then kick 'em off-line if violated. If they choose to go with another provider then good riddance. Let the

[WISPA] Fw: High-tech to no-tech: San Francisco's troubled network ambitions

2007-02-04 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
fyi - Original Message - To: Marlon Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 11:11 AM Subject: High-tech to no-tech: San Francisco's troubled network ambitions The Register » Comms » Wireless » Original URL: http://www.theregister.com/2007/02/03/sf_city_network/

Re: [WISPA] Typical OFDM CPE antennas

2007-02-04 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
It's not about antenna size. It's about signal levels. Most g radios need -60ish signal levels to work well. Use the antennas that you need to make it work right. Find the sensitivity levels of the product you are using, run the calcs, and compute a 10 dB or so fade margin. laters,

Re: [WISPA] Typical OFDM CPE antennas

2007-02-04 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Mark, What ap antennas are you using there? marlon - Original Message - From: wispa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Typical OFDM CPE antennas On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 15:38:04 -0500, Tom DeReggi

Re: [WISPA] Typical OFDM CPE antennas

2007-02-04 Thread George Rogato
I have quite abit of G out there. All the clients and ap's I install today are G. 60's is great, 70's work just fine too. 60's get top performance, 70' is still a great very fast connection and even low 80's beat B. B stands for Bad G stands for Good Marlon K. Schafer wrote: It's not

Re: [WISPA] Typical OFDM CPE antennas

2007-02-04 Thread George Rogato
I use pretty much all rootennas these days 5gig, 2 gig, and even 900 now. There is times when I may still need a grid, It just does not happen very often. I've got a bunch of them I just took down and I still would rather spend the money and use a rootenna type antenna. The way I figure it

Re: [WISPA] Fw: High-tech to no-tech: San Francisco's troubled network ambitions

2007-02-04 Thread Lonnie Nunweiler
Several things jump out at me: The use of the following words: paltry 300 kbps and free. How can anyone argue that a FREE 300 kbps service is paltry and unusable when a large number of people only have access to 22 kbps dialup? that THEY PAY for? The writer needs a dose of reality and real

Re: [WISPA] Typical OFDM CPE antennas

2007-02-04 Thread Lonnie Nunweiler
Actually G mode works better than that. We have clients with -80 dB and they can pull a steady 10 mbps on a X2 cloaked channel (10 MHz of RF bandwidth). Even at -85 dB they can still pull 5 mbps and burst to 10 mbps. Of course these results are with Atheros cards. I have no idea about other

Re: [WISPA] Typical OFDM CPE antennas

2007-02-04 Thread Lonnie Nunweiler
Totally agree. A bad G link will still give as good as a GOOD B link. G will give 5 mbps even when it is close to not connecting and B requires superb signals to get 5 mbps. Lonnie On 2/4/07, George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have quite abit of G out there. All the clients and ap's I

RE: [WISPA] Typical OFDM CPE antennas

2007-02-04 Thread Mac Dearman
How are y'all running G in so many places? I would love to implement G, but I have so many towers sectored out and then we have so many clients running wireless routers close to the CPE that I feel like there would be trouble in Paradise here!! Are any of you running G on anything but an Omni

RE: [WISPA] Typical OFDM CPE antennas

2007-02-04 Thread Mac Dearman
But George :-) answer my question: Are you running G mode on towers with multiple broadcasts? Like a tower with 3 120* sectors? Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 1:22 PM To: WISPA

RE: [WISPA] WISPA Trade Shows...

2007-02-04 Thread Jeff Broadwick
Yup -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 1:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] WISPA Trade Shows... On Wed, 31 Jan 2007, Jeff Broadwick wrote: We do a lot of shows. For this

Re: [WISPA] Typical OFDM CPE antennas

2007-02-04 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Has anyone found an amp that'll work CORRECTLY with g AND b? marlon - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Typical OFDM CPE antennas Nothing scientific Mac, but

Re: [WISPA] Typical OFDM CPE antennas

2007-02-04 Thread George Rogato
Mac Dearman wrote: But George :-) answer my question: Are you running G mode on towers with multiple broadcasts? Like a tower with 3 120* sectors? My Original main tower is 3 sectors of B, too many B clients to swap an AP over and find out at that busy noisy site. Would be the ultimate

Re: [WISPA] Typical OFDM CPE antennas

2007-02-04 Thread George Rogato
Amps? The success of G is less noise and less power. IMHO Never looked for a G amp or tried a G high powered card. Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Has anyone found an amp that'll work CORRECTLY with g AND b? marlon - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA

Re: [WISPA] Typical OFDM CPE antennas

2007-02-04 Thread Lonnie Nunweiler
We run as many as 4 G mode with 16 dB 60 degree sectors. The AP uses WLM54SuperG Atheros radios with X2 cloaking so this means the 4 channels are not overlapping. We are in a valley and the AP sites are typically on the sides, so that we do not require coverage on the back side. Some of my

Re: [WISPA] Typical OFDM CPE antennas

2007-02-04 Thread Lonnie Nunweiler
The days of amplifiers are over. We cover more than 70 miles along our Valley. We build microcells for small pockets of users that are too far to reach with normal antennas or have trees or hills, etc. Blasting more power is the way we used to do it, remember? Attitudes have to change and the

Re: [WISPA] Typical OFDM CPE antennas

2007-02-04 Thread Lonnie Nunweiler
There is nothing wrong with an omni if the users are all around it. You get better signals with a sector but a microcell is the perfect place for an omni. The fact that your current sites can see each other is awesome and you are part way to achieving a Mesh. Lonnie On 2/4/07, George Rogato

Re: [WISPA] Typical OFDM CPE antennas

2007-02-04 Thread George Rogato
Right on with the OFDM, I put a 5.5 mile A shot in the other day, that even with my binoculars, I can not see the water tank popping up above the tree line and I have: x1:xf xxx.94 99 -76 -72 48 48 C ** I would call that shot a Near LOS shot. Reason I don't cloak G is because I want

RE: [WISPA] Typical OFDM CPE antennas

2007-02-04 Thread Mac Dearman
See inline please Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lonnie Nunweiler Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 1:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Typical OFDM CPE antennas We run as many as 4 G mode with 16 dB

Re: [WISPA] Typical OFDM CPE antennas

2007-02-04 Thread George Rogato
Mac Dearman wrote: See inline please my noise floor is as I live in Louisiana and my noise floor is just that - -MINE. I created the noise and I live with I have created. That's one of the purposes for the sectors. Maybe part of the difference is the city and the woods. I serve both and

[WISPA] Speed test site

2007-02-04 Thread George Rogato
Anyone seen this speed test? http://www.numion.com/YourSpeed3/Run.php?QuickStart=SelectDefaults -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

RE: [WISPA] Typical OFDM CPE antennas

2007-02-04 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Mac, You said: -- **This sounds like the answer I was looking for, but you failed horribly in announcing that all the CPE would have to be StarOS as well. Why don't you make something that will work with what we already have so many of? I am not now nor will I ever be an

[WISPA] Powerconsumption

2007-02-04 Thread Mark McElvy
I am trying to wrap my head around calculation power consumption and run time calculations. I used a Kill-A-Watt, plugged in a WRAP board w/ one each CM-9 and WLM54g. The CM-9 is the backhaul and WLM54G is the AP with two clients connected. The following data was collected. 330 Hours 1.85 KWH .07

Re: [WISPA] Typical OFDM CPE antennas

2007-02-04 Thread Lonnie Nunweiler
Mac, nothing I said should have been even remotely insulting. I have read you trading insults with people and my post was quite tame in comparison. Your response was actually quite insulting and shows you can dish it out. Methinks you do this to get your way. I did not say anything about X2

Re: [WISPA] Typical OFDM CPE antennas

2007-02-04 Thread wispa
On Sun, 4 Feb 2007 11:59:18 -0800, Lonnie Nunweiler wrote I know this goes farther than the B versus G debate that was started, but the key thing in being able to do this is the cloaking with its reduced RF spectrum use. A B mode AP cannot do cloaking, nor can your AP do it if the AP is not

Re: [WISPA] Typical OFDM CPE antennas

2007-02-04 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
with sites that have 10 users in a 15 mile RADIUS, you have to have an amp marlon - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Typical OFDM CPE antennas Amps?

Re: [WISPA] Typical OFDM CPE antennas

2007-02-04 Thread George Rogato
I'm not so sure about that Marlon. I put in a 10 mile link the other day just using a pair of cm9's and rootennas. xxx x6:0e x5.688 -74 -66 48 54 C Of course this was A. I try to keep the long shots 5 gig and the short ones 2 gig. The way I figure it, there's a lot of 2 gig out

Re: [WISPA] Typical OFDM CPE antennas

2007-02-04 Thread Lonnie Nunweiler
I believe I said we use reduced X2 cloaking for reduced RF spectrum usage, which you do not use because you have older gear or software that does not support it. You even agreed that reduced bandwidth works but that you chose not to use it. G mode does not have to play nice with B gear and that

[WISPA] 802.11a power limits

2007-02-04 Thread rabbtux rabbtux
Anyone know the FCC power limits for point to multipoint 5.8Ghz communications? Thanks -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] Typical OFDM CPE antennas

2007-02-04 Thread Lonnie Nunweiler
No you don't. wpci1: atheros100 -73dbm -96dbm 23 2442 sta,U1,x200:80:48:39:8e:42 war-platform ~ starutil 10.10.251.1 password -rx rx rate: 1220 KB/sec (Press Ctrl-C to exit) war-platform ~ war-platform ~ traceroute -n 10.10.251.1 traceroute to 10.10.251.1 (10.10.251.1), 30