We have a stipulation in our AUP when the customer signs the initial
contract that prohibits maximizing their connection for a sustained
period of time. We enforce a 3 strike rule then kick 'em off-line if
violated. If they choose to go with another provider then good riddance.
Let the
fyi
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It's not about antenna size. It's about signal levels.
Most g radios need -60ish signal levels to work well. Use the antennas that
you need to make it work right.
Find the sensitivity levels of the product you are using, run the calcs, and
compute a 10 dB or so fade margin.
laters,
Mark,
What ap antennas are you using there?
marlon
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Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Typical OFDM CPE antennas
On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 15:38:04 -0500, Tom DeReggi
I have quite abit of G out there. All the clients and ap's I install
today are G.
60's is great, 70's work just fine too.
60's get top performance, 70' is still a great very fast connection and
even low 80's beat B.
B stands for Bad
G stands for Good
Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
It's not
I use pretty much all rootennas these days
5gig, 2 gig, and even 900 now.
There is times when I may still need a grid, It just does not happen
very often. I've got a bunch of them I just took down and I still would
rather spend the money and use a rootenna type antenna.
The way I figure it
Several things jump out at me:
The use of the following words: paltry 300 kbps and free. How can
anyone argue that a FREE 300 kbps service is paltry and unusable when
a large number of people only have access to 22 kbps dialup? that THEY
PAY for? The writer needs a dose of reality and real
Actually G mode works better than that. We have clients with -80 dB
and they can pull a steady 10 mbps on a X2 cloaked channel (10 MHz of
RF bandwidth). Even at -85 dB they can still pull 5 mbps and burst to
10 mbps.
Of course these results are with Atheros cards. I have no idea about
other
Totally agree. A bad G link will still give as good as a GOOD B link.
G will give 5 mbps even when it is close to not connecting and B
requires superb signals to get 5 mbps.
Lonnie
On 2/4/07, George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have quite abit of G out there. All the clients and ap's I
How are y'all running G in so many places? I would love to implement G,
but I have so many towers sectored out and then we have so many clients
running wireless routers close to the CPE that I feel like there would be
trouble in Paradise here!!
Are any of you running G on anything but an Omni
But George :-) answer my question:
Are you running G mode on towers with multiple broadcasts? Like a tower with
3 120* sectors?
Mac Dearman
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Yup
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On Wed, 31 Jan 2007, Jeff Broadwick wrote:
We do a lot of shows. For this
Has anyone found an amp that'll work CORRECTLY with g AND b?
marlon
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From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Typical OFDM CPE antennas
Nothing scientific Mac, but
Mac Dearman wrote:
But George :-) answer my question:
Are you running G mode on towers with multiple broadcasts? Like a tower with
3 120* sectors?
My Original main tower is 3 sectors of B, too many B clients to swap an
AP over and find out at that busy noisy site. Would be the ultimate
Amps?
The success of G is less noise and less power. IMHO
Never looked for a G amp or tried a G high powered card.
Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
Has anyone found an amp that'll work CORRECTLY with g AND b?
marlon
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We run as many as 4 G mode with 16 dB 60 degree sectors. The AP uses
WLM54SuperG Atheros radios with X2 cloaking so this means the 4
channels are not overlapping. We are in a valley and the AP sites are
typically on the sides, so that we do not require coverage on the back
side. Some of my
The days of amplifiers are over. We cover more than 70 miles along
our Valley. We build microcells for small pockets of users that are
too far to reach with normal antennas or have trees or hills, etc.
Blasting more power is the way we used to do it, remember? Attitudes
have to change and the
There is nothing wrong with an omni if the users are all around it.
You get better signals with a sector but a microcell is the perfect
place for an omni. The fact that your current sites can see each
other is awesome and you are part way to achieving a Mesh.
Lonnie
On 2/4/07, George Rogato
Right on with the OFDM, I put a 5.5 mile A shot in the other day, that
even with my binoculars, I can not see the water tank popping up above
the tree line and I have:
x1:xf xxx.94 99 -76 -72 48 48 C **
I would call that shot a Near LOS shot.
Reason I don't cloak G is because I want
Mac Dearman wrote:
See inline please
my noise floor is as I live in Louisiana and my
noise floor is just that - -MINE. I created the noise and I live with I have
created. That's one of the purposes for the sectors.
Maybe part of the difference is the city and the woods. I serve both and
Anyone seen this speed test?
http://www.numion.com/YourSpeed3/Run.php?QuickStart=SelectDefaults
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Mac,
You said:
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**This sounds like the answer I was looking for, but you failed horribly in
announcing that all the CPE would have to be StarOS as well. Why don't you
make something that will work with what we already have so many of? I am not
now nor will I ever be an
I am trying to wrap my head around calculation power consumption and run
time calculations. I used a Kill-A-Watt, plugged in a WRAP board w/ one
each CM-9 and WLM54g. The CM-9 is the backhaul and WLM54G is the AP with
two clients connected. The following data was collected.
330 Hours
1.85 KWH
.07
Mac, nothing I said should have been even remotely insulting. I have
read you trading insults with people and my post was quite tame in
comparison. Your response was actually quite insulting and shows you
can dish it out. Methinks you do this to get your way.
I did not say anything about X2
On Sun, 4 Feb 2007 11:59:18 -0800, Lonnie Nunweiler wrote
I know this goes farther than the B versus G debate that was started,
but the key thing in being able to do this is the cloaking with its
reduced RF spectrum use. A B mode AP cannot do cloaking, nor can
your AP do it if the AP is not
with sites that have 10 users in a 15 mile RADIUS, you have to have an
amp
marlon
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From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Typical OFDM CPE antennas
Amps?
I'm not so sure about that Marlon. I put in a 10 mile link the other day
just using a pair of cm9's and rootennas.
xxx x6:0e x5.688 -74 -66 48 54 C
Of course this was A.
I try to keep the long shots 5 gig and the short ones 2 gig.
The way I figure it, there's a lot of 2 gig out
I believe I said we use reduced X2 cloaking for reduced RF spectrum
usage, which you do not use because you have older gear or software
that does not support it. You even agreed that reduced bandwidth
works but that you chose not to use it. G mode does not have to play
nice with B gear and that
Anyone know the FCC power limits for point to multipoint 5.8Ghz communications?
Thanks
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No you don't.
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war-platform ~ starutil 10.10.251.1 password -rx
rx rate: 1220 KB/sec (Press Ctrl-C to exit)
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