Re: [WISPA] OT: Small office VoIP phone systems -- SIP / IAX over the Internet

2007-02-06 Thread Peter R.
If you are going to offer Businesses VOIP service, try to build a better service than Vonage. I'm on calls all day with people on Vonage or home-grown VOIP that terminate calls via the Internet. 99% of those calls sound like a below average cell phone call. Jitter and latency beat up the

Re: [WISPA] Tele-Health Grants

2007-02-06 Thread Peter R.
Certainly, licensed wireless links and managed firewall delivered by your team would be cheaper to deliver; faster to deploy; and just as reliable as fiber? Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. John Scrivner wrote: I am afraid they will just build fiber business plans and not give

Re: [WISPA] OT: Small office VoIP phone systems

2007-02-06 Thread Jory Privett
I use TrixBox all the time. Lots of features and is easy to setup. I also recommend the GrandStream GXP-2000 Phones. The Trixbox endpoint manager works well with them. Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: C. Moses [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List'

[WISPA] Tropos Networks signed its 500th customer

2007-02-06 Thread Peter R.
http://www.telecomweb.com/tnd/21521.html Tropos Networks signed its 500^th customer - a milestone in the muni wireless-mesh-growth battle in which Tropos is battling Cisco for the Number One market position. Win Number 500 is Las Vegas, N.M. - a city of about 15,000 (gee, a single hotel in

RE: [WISPA] OT: Small office VoIP phone systems

2007-02-06 Thread Don Annas
That's the one. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of C. Moses Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 11:49 PM To: 'WISPA General List'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: Small office VoIP phone systems WWW.TRIXBOX.ORG IS WORHT A LOOK Chuck

RE: [WISPA] OT: Small office VoIP phone systems -- SIP / IAX overthe Internet

2007-02-06 Thread Don Annas
If you are looking for business class SIP or IAX VoIP services, please feel free to call us. We trunk directly to Level 3 communications for origination/termination and offer tier 1 business class service to many ITSPs and enterprise clients throughout most of the US. www.TriadTelecom.com or

[WISPA] St. Louis

2007-02-06 Thread Matt Liotta
We are looking for some local people to work with in St. Louis. Preferably, it would be an existing WISP, but local contractors would be acceptable as well. Let me know if anyone is in that area. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:

[WISPA] Please Welcome Our Newest WISPA Principle Member

2007-02-06 Thread John Scrivner
At this time I would like to welcome all of you to WISPA's newest Principle Member - Dave Brenton of Rural Tennessee Wireless Broadband. Principle Membership in WISPA generally requires that a WISP already have an operation running but from this guy's excitement I am sure he will be running

RE: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-06 Thread Patrick Leary
I hope it does go UL, but I have also heard some recent rumblings that the FCC is concerned with what seems like a widespread deterioration of WISPs following the rules. The phrase I recall is something along the lines of Damn it, these things are not guidelines. From my view it is true. I see it

RE: [WISPA] St. Louis

2007-02-06 Thread Rick Harnish
Try Mike Delp with Wisper. Victoria Proffer was a member of this list, but I haven't seen her for awhile. Both are old timers and well respected in the industry. Mike's email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Respectfully, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding

[WISPA] ...from the FCC (reinforces what I was just saying in the TV whitespace thread)

2007-02-06 Thread Patrick Leary
As I was saying, the FCC is getting a bit edgy about WISPs deciding for themselves what rules are important. I believe they were set off in this case (or made to respond) because former FCC policy chief, Robert Canary (now with Cisco), has been posting on the isp-wireless list that WISPs are not

Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-06 Thread Dawn DiPietro
All, Remember, it only takes a few bad apples to make the whole industry look bad. Think about that the next time anyone wants to complain about the rules. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Patrick Leary wrote: I hope it does go UL, but I have also heard some recent rumblings that the FCC is

Re: [WISPA] Tele-Health Grants

2007-02-06 Thread John Scrivner
As I have stated before, the health care providers in this area have it in their minds (and their policy manuals) that wireless of any kind will not be suitable for their needs, period. It has nothing to do with technical reality. It has to do with perception and corporate policy. Basically

Re: [WISPA] ...from the FCC (reinforces what I was just saying in the TV whitespace thread)

2007-02-06 Thread George Rogato
Patrick Leary wrote: because former FCC policy chief, Robert Canary (now with Cisco), has been posting on the isp-wireless list that WISPs are not obligated to file Form 477. You sure? I thought Robert Canary was a long time wisp? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Tele-Health Grants

2007-02-06 Thread George Rogato
I believe you John that they are scared of wireless and are shunning wireless. But I can't help but think that every hospital I go in has lots of wireless. I was up in Oregon Health Sciences and they must have had a cisco ap every 30' of cieling space. John Scrivner wrote: As I have stated

Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-06 Thread Mario Pommier
can you elaborate on HAD offers ... please? Thanks. Mario Steve Stroh wrote: You've HAD offers that have been refused... Thanks, Steve On Jan 24, 2007, at Jan 24 07:10 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: WISPA has been working on this for a couple of years now. Independently and with

Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-06 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Yeah, for sure. However, the FCC must take some credit for that problem Patrick. How many times have you been told that operator a has turned in operator b for an illegal network and never heard a peep out of the FCC? laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment

Re: [WISPA] ...from the FCC (reinforces what I was just saying in the TV whitespace thread)

2007-02-06 Thread Dawn DiPietro
Patrick, If I am not mistaken I think you meant Robert Pepper. Please correct me if I am wrong. It has been known to happen once or twice. ;-) Regards, Dawn DiPietro George Rogato wrote: Patrick Leary wrote: because former FCC policy chief, Robert Canary (now with Cisco), has been

RE: [WISPA] St. Louis

2007-02-06 Thread W.D.McKinney
Of course, Scriv isn't to far from St. Louis either. -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:

Re: [WISPA] St. Louis

2007-02-06 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
And John is close to there. So is Butch Evans. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [WISPA] ...from the FCC (reinforces what I was just saying in the TV whitespace thread)

2007-02-06 Thread John Scrivner
Patrick, We have an ex-FCC guy telling people NOT to file form 477? What is going on? Why would this guy be saying such things? Can you give us some background on this guy and why he is doing this? Scriv As I was saying, the FCC is getting a bit edgy about WISPs deciding for themselves what

Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-06 Thread John Scrivner
Feel free to complain all you like. It is advocating breaking the rules which will lead to problems. I do not like some rules either but you have to follow the rules or face losing your right to be in business. Scriv Dawn DiPietro wrote: All, Remember, it only takes a few bad apples to

RE: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-06 Thread Mac Dearman
That is a very true statement Dawn and the reason why I wouldn't be against paying something for the area or paying for using the spectrum. It would make everyone accountable for what they do/how they maintain/adhere to the agreement associated with the spectrum. This is the Golden Egg of wireless

Re: [WISPA] ...from the FCC (reinforces what I was just saying inthe TV whitespace thread)

2007-02-06 Thread Frank Muto
Dr. Robert Pepper joined Cisco in July 2005 from the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) where most recently he had been Chief, Policy Development. ... www.pulver.com/consumertech/schedule_fjsc1133872246.html Frank Muto Co-founder - Washington Bureau for ISP Advocacy - WBIA

Re: [WISPA] St. Louis

2007-02-06 Thread V Proffer
I am still here :-) Just building away... V. Proffer 314-974-5600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 11:13 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] St. Louis Try Mike Delp with

Re: [WISPA] ...from the FCC (reinforces what I was just saying inthe TV whitespace thread)

2007-02-06 Thread John Scrivner
So who is Robert Canary then? Patrick, any idea? And how do you know that this particular person is being talked about in the FCC? What about the other quotes you were making? What is being said by who at the FCC? Who at the FCC is talking to you about these things? If you are hearing it third

[WISPA] Widespread abuse of FCC rules, a list...was TV white spaces

2007-02-06 Thread Patrick Leary
Here are few raw comments that might fray some nerves: 1. The FCC is not a baby sitter. 2. Mature operators (and industries as a whole) follow the rules as a matter of course and expected cost of business. 3. You are not the public, you are commercial operators financially benefiting off the

Re: [WISPA] OT: Small office VoIP phone systems -- SIP / IAX overthe Internet

2007-02-06 Thread John Scrivner
It would be best if these direct advertisements were directed to the party requesting the information as opposed to being published straight to our list. Don has apologized and will move any further direct questions regarding VOIP services to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If anyone has direct information

[WISPA] - Hello Group! - Can we talk towers?

2007-02-06 Thread Dave Brenton
Hello WISPA! It's great to be aboard. I have several questions about towers, but I'm going to try to hold it to TWO, starting out. 1) Does anyone on the list have experience with the FCC/FAA maze? Our Network Operations Center will be at the base of an as-yet-to-be-constructed 300 foot

RE: [WISPA] - Hello Group! - Can we talk towers?

2007-02-06 Thread Forbes Mercy
Dave, Not to rain on your parade but the cost of a Wireless tower should be around $5,000-$10,000, the cost of a Cell qualified tower $50,000 to $100,000 by the time you are finished. Engineering is the biggest costs, foundations, wind loading, lighting, etc. etc. Then you might get $2000 a

RE: [WISPA] ...from the FCC (reinforces what I was just saying inthe TV whitespace thread)

2007-02-06 Thread Patrick Leary
Major brain cramp on my part. I misrecalled the name. Damn, that's major chemo brain. Sorry all. I retract earnestly that this came from a former senior official at the FCC. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[WISPA] OTARD and Wireless Broadband

2007-02-06 Thread Kelly Shaw
Folks, http://wireless.fcc.gov/siting/otard.html I just heard about a local Virginia WISP who used the OTARD rule to site a tower. Has anyone else used this ruling to apply to Wireless Broadband where a tower is placed on a property owner's land and then service offered to the property

RE: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-06 Thread Patrick Leary
I understand and agree, but that's all the more reason why WISPs need to police themselves because the public impression and liabilities are there just as well. Sometimes I wonder if the FCC is not content to let WISPs sort of stay partially self-destructing. It gives them and the major operators

RE: [WISPA] ...from the FCC (reinforces what I was just saying inthe TV whitespace thread)

2007-02-06 Thread Patrick Leary
I was wrong. Big wrong. Huge wrong. Regrettfully and stupidly wrong. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent:

RE: [WISPA] ...from the FCC (reinforces what I was just saying intheTV whitespace thread)

2007-02-06 Thread Patrick Leary
Again, I was very mistaken. Dr. Pepper is not involved at all, nor has he made ANY posts on the subject to any of these lists. He is a long time and highly respected leader there who basically set the tone of the commission policy wise for years. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL

Re: [WISPA] ...from the FCC (reinforces what I was just saying inthe TV whitespace thread)

2007-02-06 Thread Dawn DiPietro
Patrick, It happens to the best of us. We still love you. Not all of us in that way of course. ;-) Regards, Dawn DiPietro Patrick Leary wrote: I was wrong. Big wrong. Huge wrong. Regrettfully and stupidly wrong. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c:

RE: [WISPA] ...from the FCC (reinforces what I was just saying intheTV whitespace thread)

2007-02-06 Thread Patrick Leary
I repeat: Dr. Robert Pepper made no posts. I was grossly mistaken. Robert Canary made the posts. Let's kill the thread and if I had the ability I'd delete them from the server. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [WISPA] - Hello Group! - Can we talk towers?

2007-02-06 Thread Blake Bowers
https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaaEXT/portal.jsp Will get you going for the FAA airspace determination. That is your first step. - Original Message - From: Dave Brenton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 1:30 PM Subject: [WISPA] -

Re: [WISPA] - Hello Group! - Can we talk towers?

2007-02-06 Thread Mario Pommier
1. I know an engineer who may be able to help you on this one. Knows FAA personnel if I recall correctly from when he helped us with out antenna. He's a certified engineer in NYS, AFAIK, but also does work in CT, VT, FL. 2. Same engineer, had us install a solid-rod Pyrod tower. He designed

Re: [WISPA] Tele-Health Grants

2007-02-06 Thread Carl A jeptha
Hi John, Just a thought, go and dig up all the horror stories about the back hoe operators that dig up lines and truck drivers that run over poles. And send that to them. I am lucky the fibre that I use belongs to the utility and my NOC is at their Water tower that they need to monitor, so I

Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-06 Thread John Scrivner
Patrick, what is Alvarion doing as a corporation to police the majority of BWIA vendors who now pollute our industry with uncertified gear? These are your peers. Do you like being stereotyped with them? Your stereotyping of WISP operators as being predominantly illegal and the source of the

Re: [WISPA] ...from the FCC (reinforces what I was just saying inthe TV whitespace thread)

2007-02-06 Thread John Scrivner
I think you need to take a little more time before you hit the send button. I have seen two posts from you in the last few hours that made me want to switch vendors. Calm heads need to prevail. Your's has not been very calm. Scriv Patrick Leary wrote: I was wrong. Big wrong. Huge wrong.

RE: [WISPA] ...from the FCC (reinforces what I was just saying intheTV whitespace thread)

2007-02-06 Thread Patrick Leary
I am calm John. I'm just not fond of the steepening slippery slope nor the oh-no-bigee tolerance of it from many WISP leaders. Friends can differ in opinion. Perhaps I do my employer a disservice by daring to mention it, but what of the industry at large? Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion,

Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-06 Thread Dawn DiPietro
Scriv, The squeaky wheel gets the attention. Not the kind of attention this industry needs. Some seem so adamant about these rules you have to wonder if they are following them or not. Even if this is not the case, why add doubt? Regards, Dawn DiPietro John Scrivner wrote: Feel free to

[WISPA] Consumers Demand ISP with Zero Child Porn Tollerance

2007-02-06 Thread Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor
Team, There's an anti child porn movement brewing right now where consumers are boycotting any isp that doesnt cooperate with the feds. If your wisp has a zero tollerance policy for child abuse, put yourself on the map at http://www.child-safe-isp.com hopefully, the good guys will steal all the

RE: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-06 Thread Patrick Leary
John, I have railed against illegal vendors for years -- before you put up your first link. I (in official corporate capacity) have met with officials on the topic. I (in official corporate capacity) have met with lawyers on the topic. I have publicly spoken out at events on the topic. Who is

RE: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-06 Thread Forbes Mercy
Patrick, Does your boss know you are taking on the industry you are trying to sell to? I agree with John, know when to back off and realize what a vendor is supposed to know buyer is right. Not to speak for John but you taking on John again should really make him want to return equipment

[WISPA] Disagree with me and I won't buy your product

2007-02-06 Thread Jack Unger
I've been following the increasingly threatening discussions on this list that are saying (I'm paraphrasing here) - Disagree with me and I won't buy your product. These threats are IMHO, out of line. Even more disturbing, these comments are coming from people that I know and who I greatly

RE: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-06 Thread Brad Belton
Somebody turn the flip'n moderation back on! Patrick, let's be clear; you're motivation is driven only by pushing more Alvarion boxes off the shelf. Don't try to play the white knight here under the guise of looking out for everyone. You're a company man simply after what puts food on your

RE: [WISPA] Disagree with me and I won't buy your product

2007-02-06 Thread Brad Belton
Agreed. Crazy. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 3:51 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Disagree with me and I won't buy your product I've been following the increasingly

Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-06 Thread John Scrivner
I got my blood pressure up. I am sorry. Say whatever you like. One condition please. Make sure you have some basis in fact for saying many or most WISPs do anything illegal or we will have this battle another day. Scriv Patrick Leary wrote: John, I have railed against illegal vendors for

Re: [WISPA] OTARD and Wireless Broadband

2007-02-06 Thread Tom DeReggi
Otard rules do not apply to any structure or mast over 10 feet in height (or above the roof line) Towers are not covered. Towers are strictly ruled by local zoning laws. With the exception of HAM towers, which have some federal guidance, but specifically state no commercial use allowed. Tom

RE: [WISPA] Disagree with me and I won't buy your product

2007-02-06 Thread Rick Harnish
Cool it everyone, including you John. There is no reason that we can't calmly discuss Illegal vs Legal in an appropriate and professional manner. I personally feel that it is a sorry dilemma that our industry faces in that, so many of the areas underserved by broadband are the same areas where

Re: [WISPA] Widespread abuse of FCC rules, a list...was TV white spaces

2007-02-06 Thread Tom DeReggi
Well said. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 1:52 PM Subject: [WISPA] Widespread abuse of FCC rules, a

Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-06 Thread Tom DeReggi
Scriv and contributers to thread, I think you are off base on your replies to Patrick. Patrick made fair points. He made a generalized comment based, and did not make specific accusation to specific individual. I am personaly aware of many WISPs and vendors that bend the rules both

Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-06 Thread Tom DeReggi
I agree that MOST wisps are likely compliant. Unfortuneately, it won't stay that way, if we let the industry slowly deteriorate and slide. I think compliance is a message that continually needs to be revisited, sorta like speed bumps. Its easy to not realize you are speeding, yet we all know

Re: [WISPA] Disagree with me and I won't buy your product

2007-02-06 Thread Blake Bowers
Agreed. Seems kind of strong-arm. Threats against ones employer because you disagree with an employee, that ain't right. - Original Message - From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 3:50 PM Subject: [WISPA] Disagree with me and I

RE: [WISPA] Disagree with me and I won't buy your product

2007-02-06 Thread Forbes Mercy
Whoa WHOA I SAY BESSIE! I never threatened anyone's employer, I was just pointing out that if my System Administrator was on here making me look bad I'd have a word to say. I said my piece just like Patrick and John did and you all have too. But threaten Patrick with telling his boss boss?

Re: [WISPA] Disagree with me and I won't buy your product

2007-02-06 Thread Blake Bowers
The comment was made that people were considering buying other products than Patricks employers products, due to Patricks comments. Sounds like a threat. Voice your opinion again, and I won't buy what you are selling. That passes the smell test to me. - Original Message - From:

RE: [WISPA] Disagree with me and I won't buy your product

2007-02-06 Thread Brad Belton
Crazy as an astronaut with a BB gun in a diaper on a road trip on a mission to kill someone. grin Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 5:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE:

[WISPA] This USA Thing

2007-02-06 Thread Carl A jeptha
PLEASE NOTE VERY CAREFULLY, THAT THIS IS NOT AN ANTI-USA STATEMENT. For the past few months, I have noticed and commented that this organization has become very much USA orientated. I remember when we use to get posts from the UK, South America, New Zealand, Australia and Africa. We don't get

Re: [WISPA] Disagree with me and I won't buy your product

2007-02-06 Thread Blake Bowers
You saw that too? Amazing Of course, (trying desperatly to wrench this on topic,) I do understand that she has service through a fully legal WISP. http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/ASTRONAUT_ARRESTED?SITE=MOSTPSECTION=HOMETEMPLATE=DEFAULT for those trying to follow - I guarantee it

RE: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-06 Thread Chadd Thompson
In our area So IL/metro St.Louis there are some large guys who are in no way shape or form legal, over power limits and the whole 9 yards. I can see other WISP Omni POP's with signal levels in the -70's from over 20 miles away using a 9dBi on my end, figure up what the EIRP on that is. The one in

RE: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-06 Thread Patrick Leary
I never used the word most my friend, I said many and being on the receiving side of these questions and monitoring about 8 lists total I see them there as well. One makes a phenomenon, several a coincidence, numerous examples I've personally encountered and from Clearwire-sized WISPs to the

RE: [WISPA] All good Forbes, et al

2007-02-06 Thread Patrick Leary
I never took your comments as threatening Forbes. Not at all. Everything you said was totally above board and I appreciate the candor. And I'm completely cool with blunt language, obviously! :) Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of

RE: [WISPA] Disagree with me and I won't buy your product

2007-02-06 Thread Patrick Leary
Brad, aren't you describing that woman astronaut busted in FL today! (was it really wrapped in diaper?) Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

[WISPA] Re: Hard truths (was TV white spaces)

2007-02-06 Thread Steve Stroh
John: It's a hard truth that any industry association defacto represents their ENTIRE industry... not just the ones who deign to become dues- paying members of that industry association. In the eyes of lawmakers, regulators, the public, investors, analysts, etc., if WISPA purports to

RE: [WISPA] St. Louis

2007-02-06 Thread Dennis Burgess - 2K Wireless
I am in the South St. Louis Area. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 9:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] St. Louis We are looking for some local people to work with in St. Louis.

OT...RE: [WISPA] Disagree with me and I won't buy your product

2007-02-06 Thread Brad Belton
Just keeping up with current events... Yes, SHE was wearing a diaper so as to refrain from having to stop during her 900 mile drive from Houston to Orlando. lol Then again what car or truck with a factory sized fuel tank has the legs to go 900 miles on one tank? Pretty funny story though.

Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-06 Thread cw
I don't know how you expect the industry to police itself when the FCC acts deaf. Next time you encounter a damnit remark, add state government to the list of not playing nice. Our footprint is the Florida Keys. Last year the department of transportation decided to erect giant poles down the

RE: OT...RE: [WISPA] Disagree with me and I won't buy your product

2007-02-06 Thread Jeff Broadwick
Alien takeover? :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 8:10 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: OT...RE: [WISPA] Disagree with me and I won't buy your product Just keeping up with current

RE: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-06 Thread Patrick Leary
All too true and I hate that for you -- as if your business is not tough enough to manage. Surely the work of some trusted consultant. That's why I cringe when I hear someone talks about cities or states going to the historic consultants to get design, etc. help. The only qualified consultants I

Re: [WISPA] Re: Hard truths (was TV white spaces)

2007-02-06 Thread Rich Comroe
Amen, and well said. There is a lot that an industry org can do in this respect. I'm familiar with APCO and find many similarities. (key: APCO = Association of Publicsafety Communications Officials ... www.apcointl.org) Here's some examples. 1.. Speak for the industry to the FCC.

Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-06 Thread Rich Comroe
DOT is ***supposed*** to switch to DSRC for this. DSRC was allocated 75MHz at 5.9Ghz just above the U-NII band based on roadway highway needs such as this DOT application. I participated in DSRC formulation enough to know that DOT had been experimenting with UL for years for highway signage

Re: [WISPA] Widespread abuse of FCC rules, a list...was TV white spaces

2007-02-06 Thread George Rogato
Well this was an exiting day on the lists. I would find it hard to believe that the wisp industry is in worse shape now than before concerning abuse. 5 years ago when most were new and choices were far and few between, there was a lot of pringles type wisps. Hey, they were the inovators.

Re: [WISPA] Widespread abuse of FCC rules, a list...was TV whitespaces

2007-02-06 Thread Tom DeReggi
George, Thats a good point. WISPs are maturing and as they grow they start to demand name brand type gear that will let them scale, which inadvertently is usually certified. Thus larger providers using certified gear. With no disrespect meant, I could argue that some of WISP's straying to

RE: [WISPA] Widespread abuse of FCC rules, a list...was TV whitespaces

2007-02-06 Thread Dennis Burgess - 2K Wireless
Interesting thread, very good points on all fronts. I wanted to point out something, something that the guy who was talking about consultants etc. You are correct in that many people who are consultants don't know the real world implications. Us WISPs have first hand knowledge of what these