Re: [WISPA] Widespread abuse of FCC rules, a list...was TV whitespaces

2007-02-07 Thread Tim Wolfe
Hey Gang, After reading this thread for a few hours, I told myself I would shut up and just go away, but I must say, after pacing around the house for awhile and reviewing all of the things that I know in my mind?, I must say something?(Not that anyone gives a rats behind?). Look, what Patrick

RE: [WISPA] Widespread abuse of FCC rules, a list...was TV whitespaces

2007-02-07 Thread Gino Villarini
Tim , Great post. I concur 100% with your statements, that's why I would prefer, instead of more unlicensed space, a Wisp Only band with coordination from a centralized organization and payable dues per pop/channel or something similaronly for bona-fide wireless operators Gino A. Villarini

[WISPA] Consultants making too much?

2007-02-07 Thread Dawn DiPietro
Dennis, Is this this the study you are speaking of? Below are quotes from the article that address some of your issues. There are a few corrections I would like to point out. This is a County wide deployment not just downtown St. Louis also the consulting firm was paid $67,000 not $90,000 as

[WISPA] Anyone have a clue as to who this may be??

2007-02-07 Thread Tim Wolfe
This a thread that is rolling over at the DSL Reports forum, and I must say, it is getting stranger by the moment? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,1391 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] Widespread abuse of FCC rules, a list...was TV whitespaces

2007-02-07 Thread Tom DeReggi
I wouldn't bypass the feasibility study, just the $90,000 to perform it. The feasibility study may also be to see who is already there and what impact it would have on existing providers. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message -

RE: [WISPA] Anyone have a clue as to who this may be??

2007-02-07 Thread Gino Villarini
Jeje seems like the same fishy story from etherlinx ... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Wolfe Sent: Wednesday, February 07,

Re: [WISPA] Widespread abuse of FCC rules, a list...was TV whitespaces

2007-02-07 Thread Tom DeReggi
What bothers me the most is the perception of many residential consumers. I can;t count how many sales leads I'm getting now, where the prospect is calling asking to buy service that they can just connect to without an installtion. And when I say its over $19 and has an Install fee, they

Re: [WISPA] Anyone have a clue as to who this may be??

2007-02-07 Thread Tim Wolfe
Thats what I thought?, but I wanted some more opinion as to what this person is up too? Gino Villarini wrote: Jeje seems like the same fishy story from etherlinx ... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original

Re: [WISPA] Anyone have a clue as to who this may be??

2007-02-07 Thread Dylan Oliver
Let's leave the wild speculation over at DSL Reports, thanks. No need to further muddy the waters in this river .. Best, -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:

Re: [WISPA] Anyone have a clue as to who this may be??

2007-02-07 Thread Tim Wolfe
Hmmm..., I am sorry if I ruffled Your feathers Dylan?. I really didn't want to start a major debate, nor do You need to reply and defend Your position, as I understand it and respect it 100%. I was simply looking to see if anyone had seen this sales pitch before?. I am thinking maybe an old

[WISPA] Alvarion Breeze Access

2007-02-07 Thread Carl A jeptha
Hi, Does the above equipment have some form of Spectrum Analyzer built in??? Reason more than a year of happy co-location, our Tranzeo equipment seem to be interfered with. Before I approached the other guys I wanted some more info, because maybe they don't even know that there is

[WISPA] Understanding STAROS with High Power cards.

2007-02-07 Thread Tom DeReggi
Can someone tell me how STAROS works in regards to setting power levels to cards that adapative modulate. Specifically related to Cards with on board AMPs. To be more clear A SR2 may be speced at 26db at 1-24 mbps, but 24db at 36mbps, and 22db at 48-56mb. My unconfirmed understanding is,

[WISPA] SF WiFi: Google Earthlink contract Municipal Broadband Hearing Today: Wed 1/7 3pm PST GMT-8

2007-02-07 Thread Kimo Crossman
Live Webcast SFGTV http://sfgov.org/site/sfgtv_index.asp?id=11463 ACLU is planning to present privacy concerns as well http://aclunc.org/issues/technology/bytes_and_pieces/asset_upload_file34_4522.pdf Or http://tinyurl.com/3de8hh -Original Message- From: Cassandra Costello

Re: [WISPA] Widespread abuse of FCC rules, a list...was TV whitespaces

2007-02-07 Thread Carl A jeptha
Live by example, gee does that I mean I cannot have that beer now (it is still morning here) :-) Serious, I have no ant. pointing over the biggest town in our county, to much noise. Local grocery store chain in the summer time powers up their wireless cash register for the outside garden

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Breeze Access

2007-02-07 Thread Tom DeReggi
Yes, the VL has a very good one. Actually to be more specific, it isn't actually a Spectrum analyzer, but a site survey tool to detect noise on channels. It picks up most everything, (with the exception of some rare Telco type grear), not just other basic 802.11 gear, which is the flaw of most

Re: [WISPA] Anyone have a clue as to who this may be??

2007-02-07 Thread Jack Unger
The wireless expertise that is claimed in the DSL Reports post certainly does NOT match the information shown on their website. At first glance, it looks pretty bogus. I agree with Dylan that there is no need to muddy these waters. Anyone who needs to thrash around on this is certainly free

Re: [WISPA] Funding fiber to the farm

2007-02-07 Thread George Rogato
I called the RUS guy for the Pac Northwest last fall inquiring about grant-loan funding for fiber. He said none except to telco's replacing copper to their pedestals. They did have money for wireless however. I would think the government would do us all a big favor and fund fiber and not

Re: [WISPA] Widespread abuse of FCC rules, a list...was TV whitespaces

2007-02-07 Thread Jack Unger
Tom, I'm just wondering who should perform the necessary feasibility study for free? jack Tom DeReggi wrote: I wouldn't bypass the feasibility study, just the $90,000 to perform it. The feasibility study may also be to see who is already there and what impact it would have on existing

Re: [WISPA] Widespread abuse of FCC rules, a list...was TV whitespaces

2007-02-07 Thread Tim Wolfe
There is one thing that I failed to mention, and I thought it very important to point it out?. While I do see all of this happening at some locations, I must say that it has not hampered my ability to deploy or to operate my business?.. There is a HUGE difference between a hack and a

RE: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-07 Thread Mike Delp
Chadd, I did some checking, and I found I have eight towers within 10 miles of your north tower at your house, and five towers within 10 miles of your Carlyle pop. You are at the edge of our coverage area, and I haven't had the opportunity to meet with you yet. I would be interested in finding

Re: [WISPA] Understanding STAROS with High Power cards.

2007-02-07 Thread Lonnie Nunweiler
Our driver sets the output power using an electronics volume control that is in the Atheros power out section. All drivers set the power using that control. The precise setting is in tables provided by Atheros for the various air rates and as you note it goes down as the rate goes up. This is

RE: [WISPA] Understanding STAROS with High Power cards.

2007-02-07 Thread Russ Kreigh
I'd be interested in the conclusive answer as well, I've heard several different theories. -Russ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 11:35 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA]

Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-07 Thread Dylan Oliver
Am I missing something, or is 36 dBm EIRP our limit? On 2/7/07, Mike Delp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chadd, I did some checking, and I found I have eight towers within 10 miles of your north tower at your house, and five towers within 10 miles of your Carlyle pop. You are at the edge of our

Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-07 Thread Jack Unger
+ 36 dBm EIRP Dylan Oliver wrote: Am I missing something, or is 36 dBm EIRP our limit? On 2/7/07, Mike Delp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chadd, I did some checking, and I found I have eight towers within 10 miles of your north tower at your house, and five towers within 10 miles of your

RE: [WISPA] Understanding STAROS with High Power cards.

2007-02-07 Thread Marty Dougherty
Since we have been on the subject- do these all qualify as 'certified FCC systems? I have often wondered how it's possible to build this all yourself and stay legal... Marty __ Marty Dougherty CEO Roadstar Internet Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] 703-623-4542

Re: [WISPA] Boeing Fails to Learn from WISPs

2007-02-07 Thread Steve Stroh
Marlon: I confess that my jaw dropped too, especially that the weight issue came out better for the wired system, but in fairness, read the story a bit more closely. It's not just Internet access that the wireless system was handling - it was also the seatback video, etc. Given that,

Re: [WISPA] Widespread abuse of FCC rules, a list...was TV whitespaces

2007-02-07 Thread Tom DeReggi
I didn't say free, I said Not $90,000. What should it cost to do a feasibilty study for a city? Why does every city need to start from Ground Zero? I'd rather $10,000-$20,000 go into a study with a competent engineer like you, and the other $$70-80,000 go into actually paying an integrator to

RE: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-07 Thread Chadd Thompson
Yes 36 dBm. Thanks, Chadd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dylan Oliver Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces Am I missing something, or is 36 dBm EIRP our limit?

Re: [WISPA] Understanding STAROS with High Power cards.

2007-02-07 Thread Tom DeReggi
Thanks Lonnie, that was helpful. Have you tested StarOS with the Teletronic's HighPower Card? Actually, I just looked at the Teletronic cards... They are Z-Com xg-622H (G-only) I was real surprise on the results that differed from SR2s. I'd love to use the Teletronics, just because they are

Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-07 Thread Tom DeReggi
Not sure what post referring to. Yes, 36 dbi is our limit for standard PtMP APs. But CPEs, and PTP links can go much higher in 2.4G and 5.8G. Mimo (smart antenna) Systems also now are allowed an additional 8db in AP TX power. Unfortuneately, the FCC defines PtP as a link that has 2 endpoints

RE: [WISPA] Alvarion Breeze Access

2007-02-07 Thread Patrick Leary
Carl, All BreezeACCESS products from the 900 MHz, 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz versions (VL) all have built in analyzers that can look at and record over time the interference environment from both the CPE and AU sides. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage:

Re: [WISPA] Widespread abuse of FCC rules, a list...was TV whitespaces

2007-02-07 Thread Jack Unger
The guys in the St. Louis area can correct me if I'm wrong but if my memory is correct, St. Louis County does not include the City of St. Louis (yeah, I know it sounds funny). As I recall, the two governments are distinctly different. This proposal may apply only to the area in the County

Re: [WISPA] Understanding STAROS with High Power cards.

2007-02-07 Thread Tom DeReggi
do these all qualify as 'certified FCC systems? Parts dont get certified, systems do. They have the capabilty to be certified. Depends if the integrator took the time and money to get them certified. Depends if the WISP took the care to buy them from an integrator that certified them. Tom

Re: [WISPA] Widespread abuse of FCC rules, a list...was TV whitespaces

2007-02-07 Thread Dawn DiPietro
St. Louis County champions regionwide wireless Internet By Clay Barbour ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH 01/29/2007 WiFi users CLAYTON — Tired of its provincial reputation, and hoping to gain an edge in the marketplace, St. Louis County is seriously considering a plan that could bring wireless Internet

[WISPA] FCC BB Numbers and the GAO

2007-02-07 Thread Peter R.
http://techdirt.com/articles/20070205/165735.shtml -- Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://www.marketingIDEAguy.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:

Re: [WISPA] Widespread abuse of FCC rules, a list...was TV whitespaces

2007-02-07 Thread Tom DeReggi
Whats the prupose of the feasibilty study? Sounds like grant money. Would the Earthlink, Google, or ATT use their own feasibilty study? Or is this a non-technical feasibity study? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Dawn

RE: [WISPA] Understanding STAROS with High Power cards.

2007-02-07 Thread Marty Dougherty
I don't seem much discussions about integrators or wisps going to the FCC to get these parts certified into a system. So, is it safe to safe that most microtik installs are NOT certified and are therefore not legal? Seems to me like this would be a big issue for us all to address?? Marty

Re: [WISPA] Widespread abuse of FCC rules, a list...was TV whitespaces

2007-02-07 Thread Jack Unger
http://www.westendword.com/moxie/news/county-looks-at-implement.shtml http://stlouis.bizjournals.com/stlouis/stories/2006/12/25/story13.html Elected officeholders,their staff, and local business leaders are not normally technology experts. They need help to understand how to proceed to build

Re: [WISPA] Understanding STAROS with High Power cards.

2007-02-07 Thread Lonnie Nunweiler
We have not tested with very many high power cards. Using the right antenna we can go 52 miles with a CM9, so high power is not a hot topic here. Our approach to NLOS is more to use microcells to fill in areas that cannot see the main towers. Since we can do a repeater with 1 msec ping times

[WISPA] BGP Question

2007-02-07 Thread Don Annas
When peering with multiple providers, is it a requirement that you pick a primary to send and receive traffic or can you not prepend AS hops and allow traffic to arrive to you via the 'best' BGP route. As a VoIP provider, it is important that traffic enter and leave via the same provider. We

Re: [WISPA] BGP Question

2007-02-07 Thread Matt Liotta
Prepending is not an effective way of forcing other providers to send their traffic through your preferred upstream. In fact, there is no good way to do it at all. It is far better to just have quality upstreams. -Matt Don Annas wrote: When peering with multiple providers, is it a

[WISPA] Routers

2007-02-07 Thread Ross Cornett
Hey guys, I hope some of you can enlighten me on what is the best line of router out there for home and small business. We have used linksys and netgear and their broadband routers have not held up very well. Anyone have any ideas as to what they are using and what works best? I am tired of

Re: [WISPA] Routers

2007-02-07 Thread George Rogato
Ross Cornett wrote: Hey guys, I hope some of you can enlighten me on what is the best line of router out there for home and small business. We have used linksys and netgear and their broadband routers have not held up very well. Anyone have any ideas as to what they are using and what

Re: [WISPA] Routers

2007-02-07 Thread Ross Cornett
I too have that idea in action, but the port forwarding options are non existant... There has to be something out there that works... Thanks for the feedback. - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday,

Re: [WISPA] Routers

2007-02-07 Thread N.W.
When we used bridged CPEs, we installed TrendNet, Linksys, or Netgear routers. All of them have held up for about 4 years now. Several failures on the Netgears, which were the majority, but we also bought them in bulk and as refurbs. That's what is cheapest and appears to work well. We now

Re: [WISPA] Routers

2007-02-07 Thread Tom DeReggi
Nothing. We have to deal with low quality in a commodity world. However another way to approach it might be, who has the best RMA policy. Linksys's RMA policy is non-existent, and a provider needs to be prepared to eat any failures. That comment is based on, the many hoops linksys makes you

Re: [WISPA] Routers

2007-02-07 Thread cw
We use WAR boards but if it's resi wireless LAN needed, these work fine http://www.pcbay.net/wgnewirowisu.html. They have Atheros chipset and are $22 delivered. Throw them away when they die. All the consumer grade stuff lasts the same length of time. Ross Cornett wrote: Hey guys, I hope

Re: [WISPA] Routers

2007-02-07 Thread Butch Evans
On Wed, 7 Feb 2007, Ross Cornett wrote: Hey guys, I hope some of you can enlighten me on what is the best line of router out there for home and small business. We have used linksys and netgear and their broadband routers have not held up very well. Anyone have any ideas as to what they are

Re: [WISPA] BGP Question

2007-02-07 Thread Butch Evans
On Wed, 7 Feb 2007, Don Annas wrote: When peering with multiple providers, is it a requirement that you pick a primary to send and receive traffic or can you not prepend AS hops and allow traffic to arrive to you via the 'best' BGP route. There is no way to insure that traffic will come

[WISPA] Speedtest with BGP

2007-02-07 Thread Don Annas
OK.. So now that we are running BGP between multiple providers, we have noticed that none of the Internet speedtest are measuring results anywhere close. One of our circuits are 100MB and the other is 45MB. When running a speed test, it typically shows less than 2MB up or down. When I do a file

RE: SPAM ? RE: [WISPA] Understanding STAROS with High Power cards.

2007-02-07 Thread Mac Dearman
Oh my lord Marty! I think you are trying to get Patrick back in high gear on his soap box!! :-) SHAME SHAME!! Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marty Dougherty Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 12:15 PM To: 'WISPA General

[WISPA] MT hotspot

2007-02-07 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, We have several free hotspots that we use Linksys firewall/access points. The Linksys also serves the DHCP address and lease time, etc. Is there a way with a Mikrotik to have a simple splash screen appear with each new MAC address that comes from the same IP address? Each real IP on

Re: [WISPA] Routers

2007-02-07 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, Are you serious? You honestly expect a company to honor a warranty for a lifetime, especially on a $30 item? How do you expect them to stay in business? Travis Microserv KyWiFi LLC wrote: We use the Belkin F5D7230-4 wireless router exclusively and I'm proud to report that both us and

Re: [WISPA] Routers

2007-02-07 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Imagestream has a great one that's under $600. Another $250 will get them to set it up for you as I understand it. MT routers are also nice. I just don't like the idea of using a PC out where I can't keep an eye on it. Fans go out etc. marlon - Original Message - From: Ross

Re: [WISPA] Routers

2007-02-07 Thread KyWiFi LLC
Yes, I'm serious. Lots of companies offer a lifetime warranty. If they have a good product, they should stand behind it. If their product is junk, then... Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky Your Hometown Broadband Provider http://www.KyWiFi.com Call Us Today:

Re: [WISPA] Widespread abuse of FCC rules, a list...was TV white spaces

2007-02-07 Thread John J. Thomas
inline... -Original Message- From: Patrick Leary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2007 10:52 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Widespread abuse of FCC rules, a list...was TV white spaces Here are few raw comments that might fray some nerves: 1. The FCC is

RE: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-07 Thread Chadd Thompson
Sorry, The signal was in the -70's not right at -70. It was mid to upper -70's from what I figured up they were putting out around 43dBm EIRP. I could also see the SSID of the AP so I know what town it was located in and it was/is a sectorized POP that would be around 30dBm radio input to a

Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-07 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Well, either way, if it's an ap that talks to more than one client, it's max eirp is 4 watts. 36dB laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Chadd Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 10:00 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] TV