RE: SPAM ? RE: [WISPA] Understanding STAROS with High Power cards.

2007-02-08 Thread Marty Dougherty
Give me a break. I just joined WISPA in the past 60 days with intentions of HELPING THE INDUSTRY. In the 60 days I have been on this list I have seen all kinds of BS- Political grandstanding, rudeness and generally unprofessional behavior. The most recent discussions about operating illegally have

Re: [WISPA] Routers

2007-02-08 Thread Anthony R. Mattke
Where are you finding those boards for $22 a piece? -Tony cw wrote: We use WAR boards but if it's resi wireless LAN needed, these work fine http://www.pcbay.net/wgnewirowisu.html. They have Atheros chipset and are $22 delivered. Throw them away when they die. All the consumer grade stuff

RE: [WISPA] BGP Question

2007-02-08 Thread Jeff Broadwick
Hi Matt, I ran this past my support team. They don't agree with this: AS prepending is fairly effective method. Assuming you have more then just a /24 network, you also can use selective advertising of more specific prefixes through a preferred provider to influence inbound traffic. In this

RE: [WISPA] Understanding STAROS with High Power cards.

2007-02-08 Thread Cliff Leboeuf
Marty, What you have experienced is not the norm on the WISPA list IMO. 'Scuffles' occasionally do take place, but this list is well run and moderated. You will find a wealth of information sharing and support on this list. This my change for you 2 cents... :) - Cliff -Original

RE: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-08 Thread Chadd Thompson
Agreed.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 12:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces Well, either way, if it's an ap that talks to more than one client,

Re: [WISPA] Routers

2007-02-08 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, I currently have over 2,000 Linksys routers installed... probably closer to 3,000. They have the same failure rate as every other brand we tried (Belkin, Netgear, Dlink). The big advantage for us is Linksys' RMA procedure is all online, and you can do 20 or 200 at a time. We save them up

Re: [WISPA] BGP Question

2007-02-08 Thread Matt Liotta
Jeff Broadwick wrote: AS prepending is fairly effective method. Assuming you have more then just a /24 network, you also can use selective advertising of more specific prefixes through a preferred provider to influence inbound traffic. AS prepending is not as effective as it used to be. I

[WISPA] Little installation gotchas. SMA Connectors

2007-02-08 Thread Ralph
Does anyone else have an issue with the tiny little SMA connector that Trango and some others use for antenna connections? I have seen several failures where the mating connector on the antenna feed line self destructs due to leverage caused by the cable. Nothing kills an installation budget quite

RE: [WISPA] Understanding STAROS with High Power cards.

2007-02-08 Thread Ralph
AMEN to you, Marlon! The people (and there are some big names right on this list who are doing it) who are building their own stuff out of OEM boards are not operating under Part 15 properly and risk fines. The FCC can inspect ANY radio station, licensed or not, so all it takes is for them to

Re: [WISPA] MT hotspot

2007-02-08 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, I serve hundreds of users off this MT router... I can't turn on DHCP for a single location for a free hotspot. :( Travis Eric Muehleisen wrote: What if you have the the MT do the DHCP to the end user instead of the Linksys? Turn off NAT or do DHCP passthrough or something like that?

Re: [WISPA] Little installation gotchas. SMA Connectors

2007-02-08 Thread Travis Johnson
Ralph, When you are talking a 12 or 18 pigtail, using LMR-195 vs. LMR-400 or even LMR-600 there is going to be less than .5db difference. Why would you need such a large cable for just a small jumper cable? Travis Microserv Ralph wrote: Does anyone else have an issue with the tiny little

RE: SPAM ? RE: [WISPA] Understanding STAROS with High Power cards.

2007-02-08 Thread Brad Larson
I have kept pretty silent watching all the grandstanding. But Marty brings up an excellent point. The licensed operators are using the flaunting of the laws as good reason to not give you any more UL spectrum. I have seen and heard this first hand. You guys can throw all the darts you want but I'm

RE: [WISPA] Little installation gotchas. SMA Connectors

2007-02-08 Thread Ralph
Hi Travis- I understand (and agree with) your point- But Sometimes the installation calls for a longer one. I have seen 4-10 ft ones for various reasons. Sometimes the specification for the job calls for that size cable because the owner has it in his head that there may be .025 dB less of loss.

Re: [WISPA] Little installation gotchas. SMA Connectors

2007-02-08 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, I can tell you that Trango is going to an N connector on their new series of radios (6-12 months out). However, they are not going to change anything with the existing radios. Travis Microserv Ralph wrote: Hi Travis- I understand (and agree with) your point- But Sometimes the

RE: [WISPA] Little installation gotchas. SMA Connectors

2007-02-08 Thread Ralph
If that's true, I'm glad to see that they have decided to use a more appropriate connector type. Ralph _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 10:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Little

Re: [WISPA] Little installation gotchas. SMA Connectors

2007-02-08 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Yeah, I hate trying to seal connectors that have such a large step up in cable size. It's hard to get the tape to set up right. I have had a LOT better luck with those little connectors by only buying 18 jumpers. I also have moved to using rg 58u instead of lmr 240 or something like that.

[WISPA] Another expert heard from.

2007-02-08 Thread Dawn DiPietro
All, I ran across this article and found it quite amusing. As quoted from the article; Newtowne Court public housing, chosen for its proximity to public buildings and its high percentage of school-age children, is already equipped with 20 to 30 antennae for WiFi, said Hart. Hart said the

RE: SPAM ? RE: [WISPA] Understanding STAROS with High Power cards.

2007-02-08 Thread Mac Dearman
Marty, That was not a dig :-) No offense intended. I agree 100% with what you said and most of what Patrick generally has to say. (That aint no dig either Patrick) hehehe I was just picking on my brother Leary!! As far as UL operators - it is no different for us than it is in any other

Re: SPAM ? RE: [WISPA] Understanding STAROS with High Power cards.

2007-02-08 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I get a kick out of these discussions. First, if the people that think we're all illegal operators think that the 5 or 10 very vocal ones on a couple of emails lists represent they whole industry they are being less than honest with anyone. MOST operators are good and honest. Not all of

Re: [WISPA] Little installation gotchas. SMA Connectors

2007-02-08 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
What do you want to bet they put it in a spot that's almost impossible to weather seal? What are the odds that they'll post a picture or 3 of a prototype here on this list and ask for OUR feedback before they release the product. Far too vendors fail to take advantage of our skills

[WISPA] yahoo Maps API ?

2007-02-08 Thread Rick Smith
Someone a bit back shared some code with a list, and I can't for the life of me find where I put it, developed some on top of it, and came up with something web based that was pretty cool. hehe. I've got like 7 machines here that I could've picked, and it was a tiny file... doh! If had

RE: SPAM ? RE: [WISPA] Understanding STAROS with High Power cards.

2007-02-08 Thread Marty Dougherty
It's simple Marlon- WISPA can affect this crowd- If WISPA demands all members be 100% legal operators or NO MEMBERSHIP allowed that would send a powerful message to the FCC and the WISP community. From the code of ethics- ARTICLE II We will conduct ourselves in such a manner as to bring credit

Re: SPAM ? RE: [WISPA] Understanding STAROS with High Power cards.

2007-02-08 Thread George Rogato
Marlon, Correct me if I am wrong, wasn't it you that was looking for an amp for a 15 mile link of an omni the other day? Fact is it's none of our business here at wispa what our members use for equipment. None what so ever. WISPA is not an enforcement group. We are a trade association.

Re: [WISPA] Routers

2007-02-08 Thread Ross Cornett
That is what I was looking for. We all serve the same interest and that is customer satisfaction. I did learn a great deal from you all providing me your feedback. Our scenario has been been using bulk ordered refurbs. We used to be all Linksys until we started seeing a high failure rate.

Re: [WISPA] MT hotspot

2007-02-08 Thread Anthony Will
I could be way off base here. I dont run a hotspot with MT at this time but I have played with it. You might want to try http://forums.mikrotik.com/ for help. If i remember correctly when you create a hotspot server it creates a DHCP server for this virtual interface and thus it is a

[WISPA] Re: Dealing with bad players (was SPAM ?...)

2007-02-08 Thread Steve Stroh
Mac: Aren't you one of those who wants to see dedicated WISP Spectrum become available, like 3650 or television broadcast whitespace? Do you think there's an incentive by the regulators to grant such spectrum exclusively to WISPs, when, as professionals you know about such behavior, and

RE: SPAM ? RE: [WISPA] Understanding STAROS with High Power cards.

2007-02-08 Thread Marty Dougherty
Why? Because our industry is getting hammered at the FCC by the licensed operators. They are telling the world that UL operators are running wild and giving them (us) more UL spectrum will result in the exact same issues in the new spectrum. The FCC does not intend to hire hundreds of inspectors

RE: SPAM ? RE: [WISPA] Understanding STAROS with High Power cards.

2007-02-08 Thread Cliff Leboeuf
Marty, I believe that this list of 'open to the public,' and therefore users are not subject to the code of ethics that a member agrees to when they join. The paid members have access to a private discussion group with added benefits over and above the public list. The private list is also where

[WISPA] - Can anyone tell me how many are we?

2007-02-08 Thread Dave Brenton
Gang, I've heard various numbers, but I'd like to put a finer point on it. How many WISPA members are there? How many independent WISPs are there? Thanks, Dave Brenton General Manager Rural Tennessee Wireless Broadband Bringing FAST Internet to the rest of us (sm) Dover TN (931) 232-0914

RE: [WISPA] Re: Dealing with bad players (was SPAM ?...)

2007-02-08 Thread Brian Webster
Steve, What you are suggesting here is very similar to what the ham radio community does now. I would add a step in your process, that first the offending WISP be contacted via official WISPA correspondence explaining what it is we are doing and the planned course of action through the FCC

[WISPA] Automated Wi-FI Attacks

2007-02-08 Thread Justin Wilson
Found on Slashdot: http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=19 ZDNet has a story about the public launch of Immunity's Silica, a portable hacking device that can search for and join 802.11 (Wi-Fi) access points, scan other connections for open ports, and automatically launch code execution exploits

RE: [WISPA] MT hotspot

2007-02-08 Thread Mac Dearman
That is almost perfectly correct, but you have to set up the DHCP server in MT for the Hotspot gateway/clients. Also choose which interface you would want the HotSpot to run from. MAC authentication is easy and very effective! You can shape the traffic as well within the Hotspot. Its just great

RE: [WISPA] Re: Dealing with bad players (was SPAM ?...)

2007-02-08 Thread chris cooper
Add a step before this- just contact the offender first, air your concern, try to work it out locally. Less trouble/intervention/attention for all parties involved. I still believe most people are decent. No need to call the dogs unless you are forced to. Chris -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] Automated Wi-FI Attacks

2007-02-08 Thread Jack Unger
Justin, Scary stuff... Thanks for the post. jack Justin Wilson wrote: Found on Slashdot: http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=19 ZDNet has a story about the public launch of Immunity's Silica, a portable hacking device that can search for and join 802.11 (Wi-Fi) access points, scan other

RE: [WISPA] Re: Dealing with bad players (was SPAM ?...)

2007-02-08 Thread Mac Dearman
That sounds like an excellent idea Brian! I don't think that WISPA has the money or the time to chase down illegal operators. I also don't think it is something that WISPA ought to get in to, but I don't think it would be a bad idea for WISPA to get behind its members and send out a letter

Re: [WISPA] Routers

2007-02-08 Thread cw
Follow the link I pasted http://www.pcbay.net/wgnewirowisu.html. Anthony R. Mattke wrote: Where are you finding those boards for $22 a piece? -Tony cw wrote: We use WAR boards but if it's resi wireless LAN needed, these work fine http://www.pcbay.net/wgnewirowisu.html. They have Atheros

RE: [WISPA] Re: Dealing with bad players (was SPAM ?...)

2007-02-08 Thread Brian Webster
Mac, There are many things the amateur radio community does that an organization like WISPA could use as an organization for examples on how to accomplish tasks. Frequency coordination and this voluntary policing of the airwaves are two situations that come to mind. Emergency

Re: [WISPA] Re: Dealing with bad players (was SPAM ?...)

2007-02-08 Thread George Rogato
Mac Dearman wrote: That sounds like an excellent idea Brian! I don't think that WISPA has the money or the time to chase down illegal operators. I also don't think it is something that WISPA ought to get in to, but I don't think it would be a bad idea for WISPA to get behind its members and

Re: [WISPA] Routers

2007-02-08 Thread Matt
We use WAR boards but if it's resi wireless LAN needed, these work fine http://www.pcbay.net/wgnewirowisu.html. They have Atheros chipset and are $22 delivered. Throw them away when they die. All the consumer grade stuff Those look like Netgear routers. We run PPPoE and have always had trouble

Re: [WISPA] Routers; OpenWRT

2007-02-08 Thread Matt
What I would like to know is what is the cheapest router that is supported by OpenWRT? http://wiki.openwrt.org/TableOfHardware Matt Hey guys, I hope some of you can enlighten me on what is the best line of router out there for home and small business. We have used linksys and netgear and

[WISPA] Ask not what WISPA can do for you

2007-02-08 Thread John Scrivner
I have seen many excellent ideas posed lately about ways in which WISPA can do this or WISPA can do that for the industry. I am sure WISPA will become the place where all of these things become a reality in the future. For now we have a more immediate need. People need to stop telling us what

Re: [WISPA] Re: Dealing with bad players

2007-02-08 Thread Steve Stroh
Brian: Amateur Radio processes was one of the mental models I used in my proposal. You were right on in noting the similarities. Thanks, Steve (N8GNJ) On Feb 8, 2007, at Feb 8 09:55 AM, Brian Webster wrote: Steve, What you are suggesting here is very similar to what the ham

RE: [WISPA] Re: Dealing with bad players (was SPAM ?...)

2007-02-08 Thread Forbes Mercy
Amen to that, it's called 'Vendor Protectionism'. I remember when the companies doing low voltage pre-wiring in buildings lobbied to make only certified contractors be able to do Cat5/6 work in housing and an Apprentice Program was required. They knew full well that if another company wanted

[WISPA] Indoor CPE for 900 mhz microtik

2007-02-08 Thread Ray Jean
Hello Everyone We have been a waverider shop for a couple of years but have recently installed a microtik 900 mhz AP and was wondering what is available for INDOOR CPE equipment.We would sure appreciate any input as to what is available.Outdoors we are using rootenna enclosures with

Re: [WISPA] Routers

2007-02-08 Thread cw
Those _are_ Netgear routers. The thread was looking for consumer grade routers. All sub hundred dollar wireless routers are going to lose their way periodically and require power cycling. This particular router has Atheros chipset and it's priced for throw away so you don't have to waste more

Re: [WISPA] Indoor CPE for 900 mhz microtik

2007-02-08 Thread Matt
We have been a waverider shop for a couple of years but have recently installed a microtik 900 mhz AP and was wondering what is available for INDOOR CPE No answer for you there but was just wandering how the Mikrotik 900 AP was working? Been using Canopy 900 due to its interference

RE: [WISPA] Indoor CPE for 900 mhz microtik

2007-02-08 Thread Rick Smith
I'll give you the time tested answer to that question. It depends. :) I've got 3 AP's up now, starting to have SOME luck, mostly LOS, a couple NLOS here but no leaf experience yet as the trees are naked... On one NLOS shot in town, around corner 3/4 mile away, I can transfer 18mbps through

RE: [WISPA] Re: Dealing with bad players (was SPAM ?...)

2007-02-08 Thread Patrick Leary
How many of you operate in farm country? You got any problem with illegal produce flooding your market? I bet your community might have something to say about that. Are you asking if those of us who have the ethics to make the required investments to operate legally in this country (and in every

Re: [WISPA] Indoor CPE for 900 mhz microtik

2007-02-08 Thread John Scrivner
What channel size for 18 mbps? Scriv Rick Smith wrote: I'll give you the time tested answer to that question. It depends. :) I've got 3 AP's up now, starting to have SOME luck, mostly LOS, a couple NLOS here but no leaf experience yet as the trees are naked... On one NLOS shot in town,

Re: [WISPA] Indoor CPE for 900 mhz microtik

2007-02-08 Thread Blair Davis
We stopped putting more than 1 radio card in the same box quite a while back. Even when the cards are on widely separated bands, there seems to be some mutual noise generation Our stuff all goes in grounded, metal enclosures now. As a side benefit, our level of static induced failures

RE: [WISPA] Indoor CPE for 900 mhz microtik

2007-02-08 Thread Rick Smith
that was at 10mhz channels. when I went to 20mhz, I was able to squeeze 22 mbps on a 36 meg connect rate, but that's too much freq usage... Seems to work ok - just need to start separating thse things. Might be interesting to find an enclosure that had two compartments - one on each side and

Re: [WISPA] Re: Dealing with bad players (was SPAM ?...)

2007-02-08 Thread Blair Davis
Inline Patrick Leary wrote: How many of you operate in farm country? You got any problem with illegal produce flooding your market? I bet your community might have something to say about that. I am rural. What is illegal produce? If I grew it in my backyard, is it illegal? Are you

[WISPA] So Let's DO something.

2007-02-08 Thread Dave Brenton
Fellow WISPAs I've been reading these threads here with some great interest, and as the new kid on the block (Well at 53, maybe the new geezer might be more correct ... ) maybe I've not yet earned the right to sound off, but what the heck. I am deeply concerned that a few (but likely

RE: [WISPA] Widespread abuse of FCC rules, a list...was TV whitespaces

2007-02-08 Thread Dennis Burgess - 2K Wireless
I actually talked to the guys that are involved with this. Several things now, is that they want to know if it is feasible, that is the 60 grand. Second, they want someone to do it, but mostly it is going to be some big company, and they don't think that they can get a local company to do it.

RE: [WISPA] Another expert heard from.

2007-02-08 Thread Dennis Burgess - 2K Wireless
If not mistaken, the proposed freq for wimax is in the 3gig range, with 2db more output than 2.4. So would wimax not have even more penetration issues? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 9:41

RE: [WISPA] Re: Dealing with bad players (was SPAM ?...)

2007-02-08 Thread Mac Dearman
Patrick, I am not sure where you olive, but I am in Louisiana. We grow Shrimp, oysters, crabs, catfish, Tilapia, redfish, Mahi-Mahi (Dolphin Fish) and hundreds more sea food items. I walked through Sam's/Wal-Mart yesterday and it chapped my ass (again) that in their freezers were all of these

[WISPA] New WISPA Member

2007-02-08 Thread John Scrivner
I would like to introduce all of you to Ross Cornett of Hofnet Communications, Inc.. They are WISPA's newest Principle Member. I have known Ross for a number of years and I am glad to see him make the step up to membership in WISPA. Here is some information about Hofnet Communications, Inc.:

RE: [WISPA] Re: Dealing with bad players (was SPAM ?...)

2007-02-08 Thread Cliff Leboeuf
Patrick, I agree and appreciate you frustration on this issue! I too remember when I had to compete in the computer business when we only offered FCC certified computer systems, but the 'shade-tree' computer builder was peddling his goods for less money. It wasn't fair to those following the

Re: [WISPA] Widespread abuse of FCC rules, a list...was TV whitespaces

2007-02-08 Thread Dawn DiPietro
Dennis, The reason given in the article for this was so the vendor could incur the cost of building the network. For coverage of the whole county to become a reality they need a company with the resources to do this. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Dennis Burgess - 2K Wireless wrote: I actually

Re: [WISPA] Routers

2007-02-08 Thread Ron Wallace
Shannon, Who elsefor example offers a lifetime warranty? Ron Wallace -Original Message- From: KyWiFi LLC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2007 11:33 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routers Yes, I'm serious. Lots of companies offer a lifetime

RE: [WISPA] New WISPA Member

2007-02-08 Thread Mac Dearman
HIP HIP HOORAY! Welcome to WISPA Michael and crew. I look for great things to take place due to OUR industry organization. of the WISPs, by the WISPS, for the WISP Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent:

[WISPA] My Hypothetical Conversation with Julius Knapp, Chief of OET

2007-02-08 Thread Patrick Leary
What should I say next time I'm before people like Julie Knapp, who heads OET. Here is a potential script: Me - Good morning sir, congratulations on earning the Chief position. Julie - Thank you Patrick. What's on your mind? Me - Julie, we could really use more spectrum for UL. Julie - Well,

Re: [WISPA] Widespread abuse of FCC rules, a list...was TV whitespaces

2007-02-08 Thread Jack Unger
Dennis, Thanks for taking the time to talk to the local government officials. I can understand them paying 60 grand to see if it's feasible. I'm sorry that they don't believe that a local WISP could do it. In an ideal world, there would be a local WISP who is open-minded enough and

RE: [WISPA] Re: Dealing with bad players (was SPAM ?...)

2007-02-08 Thread Patrick Leary
I'm not talking about migrant workers at all (not sure how you read that). I'm talking about produce shipped from elsewhere sitting in a stall at your local fair for sale without paying the stall fee or otherwise going through those things your local growers had to do to bring their product to

RE: [WISPA] Another expert heard from.

2007-02-08 Thread Patrick Leary
WiMAX will create better link budgets, power for power and band for band, because the technology employed is more sophisticated -- both more efficient on Mhz by Mhz basis and more directive (e.g. fast-switching and adaptive beam-forming plus MIMO). Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o:

Re: [WISPA] Routers; OpenWRT

2007-02-08 Thread Brian Whigham
On Thu, 2007-02-08 at 12:50 -0600, Matt wrote: What I would like to know is what is the cheapest router that is supported by OpenWRT? I'd almost guarantee it's the Buffalo WHR-G54S. I've only one so far. It's been at grandma's house doing a 300' link in client mode. It's been installed almost

Re: [WISPA] Widespread abuse of FCC rules, a list...was TV whitespaces

2007-02-08 Thread George Rogato
Jack Unger wrote: To answer your second question, yes - if Dennis paid me to appear at his City Council meeting to lobby for his company I would be happy to do that. The only requirement would be that I talk with Dennis first to be sure that I was knowledgeable enough about his company to

[WISPA] Part 15 Certification Lab Questions

2007-02-08 Thread Jack Unger
Who's already used a Part 15 certification lab? What was good or bad about your experience? How much did the certification cost? Would you use that lab again? Do you want to find a certification lab? Here's the link that I got right off of WISPA's homepage:

Re: [WISPA] Routers; OpenWRT

2007-02-08 Thread Matt
What I would like to know is what is the cheapest router that is supported by OpenWRT? I'd almost guarantee it's the Buffalo WHR-G54S. I've only one so far. It's been at grandma's house doing a 300' link in client mode. It's been installed almost a year now, without a hiccup (not even a

RE: [WISPA] Part 15 Certification Lab Questions

2007-02-08 Thread Patrick Leary
We have for years, though I am not personally involved in those processes. Our 3-digit grantee code is LKT and all equipment authorizations for all brands) are easily and comprehensively searchable even if you do not know the grantee code via

Re: [WISPA] Widespread abuse of FCC rules, a list...was TV whitespaces

2007-02-08 Thread Dawn DiPietro
All, If you are speaking of downtown St. Louis. They already chose ATT. But on the other hand if you are speaking of St. Louis County then that is an awful lot to take on considering they want the vendor to eat the cost of the hardware. Regards, Dawn DiPietro George Rogato wrote: Jack

Re: [WISPA] Widespread abuse of FCC rules, a list...was TV whitespaces

2007-02-08 Thread Dawn DiPietro
All, Also I forgot to mention they want to cover the whole county. But if you read the article you already knew that and I apologize. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Dawn DiPietro wrote: All, If you are speaking of downtown St. Louis. They already chose ATT. But on the other hand if you are

[WISPA] The need to broaden public understanding of our industry's service to the community

2007-02-08 Thread David Hughes
/ __ NOD32 2046 (20070208) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

[WISPA] way OT: Did I mention I love the WISP business?

2007-02-08 Thread Patrick Leary
Fair warning, a post like this reflects a large ego by its very nature, but it comes from a committed champion of WISPs none-the-lessFor God's sake, please don't post any thanks for your efforts type replies. I'm not fishing for them or public appreciation in general, though I do appreciate

Re: [WISPA] Part 15 Certification Lab Questions

2007-02-08 Thread Jack Unger
Patrick, What lab does Alvarion currently use? Do you have any specific labs that you would recommend to WISPs who may want to get their own equipment combinations certified? Thanks, jack Patrick Leary wrote: We have for years, though I am not personally involved in those

[WISPA] WaveIP 900 MHz OFDM or DSSS

2007-02-08 Thread Joshua M. Andrews
Does anyone have any experience with either of these products and can provide some range and speed readings NLOS and LOS? Thanks. Sincerely, Joshua -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:

Re: [WISPA] Widespread abuse of FCC rules, a list...was TV whitespaces

2007-02-08 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
A few years ago I ran up a network design that would cover over 80% of my whole country. Redundant feeds, high speed backhauls etc. It would have cost around $1million. AND that would have purchased the first 500 cpe units. It doesn't have to cost as much as people somehow seem to keep

Re: [WISPA] My Hypothetical Conversation with Julius Knapp, Chief of OET

2007-02-08 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
There is a critical difference Patrick. WE (us, the wisps) are SPECIFICALLY asking that the whitespaces rules include smart radio technology. It won't be easy for anyone to run illegal networks. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA

Re: [WISPA] Another expert heard from.

2007-02-08 Thread John Scrivner
So can we get some real world data on how well it is working? Is the terrain flat? Wooded? What kind of coverage area are you seeing? Power levels up and down? Speeds up and down per client? Maximum CPE per sector currently? Bandwidth used per sector? Is this 802.16 d or e? FDD or TDD? Can

Re: [WISPA] My Hypothetical Conversation with Julius Knapp, Chiefof OET

2007-02-08 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I remember clear back in 2001 or so. I was fortunate enough to have breakfast with Michael Marcus. Patrick, i think you were there for this. I remember him telling the story about FCC certified computers. Back in the day, it was only legal to sell a computer as a complete certified system.

Re: [WISPA] Another expert heard from.

2007-02-08 Thread W.D.McKinney
As soon as I can this info, I will answer these questions Scriv. So far we we only see 1.5M for coverage with the current rev of software. -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net - Original Message - From: John

RE: [WISPA] Part 15 Certification Lab Questions

2007-02-08 Thread Patrick Leary
I don't know, but I'll check and report back Jack. I know we have used several. The standards and rules are tight for them, so I think our decision may be based on locality. Stay tuned please. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243

RE: [WISPA] Another expert heard from.

2007-02-08 Thread Patrick Leary
Yes, but that's with the self-install indoor CPE, right? Nothing outdoors except the wilderness :) Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

Re: [WISPA] My Hypothetical Conversation with Julius Knapp, Chiefof OET

2007-02-08 Thread Jack Unger
Marlon, Thank you for your very interesting post. I would have to say that I agree with most of the sentiments that you've expressed. There is however ONE point that perhaps you would clarify. You said that you have operators in your area running illegal networks... and the WHOLE market is

Re: [WISPA] My Hypothetical Conversation with Julius Knapp, ChiefofOET

2007-02-08 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
- Original Message - From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] My Hypothetical Conversation with Julius Knapp, ChiefofOET Marlon, Thank you for your very interesting post. I would

Re: [WISPA] My Hypothetical Conversation with Julius Knapp, ChiefofOET

2007-02-08 Thread Jack Unger
Marlon, I was just trying to determine if the problems you're experiencing were due to: a) Equipment Certification Issues - Use of equipment that had dirty transmitters. b) Overpower Issues - Running too much power. c) Uncoordinated Frequency Issues - Legal power and clean transmitters