RE: [WISPA] Site Survey

2007-02-12 Thread Mac Dearman
Brian, Buy a Tranzeo TR-CPQ 19 and then all you have to do is lock onto the correct AP before going up. It's a lot easier to plug the POE in at the truck and drag up a 100' or so of CAT5 cable and just watch the lights on the CPE. Every light has a minimum db signal level associated with. Mac

[WISPA] State Leader's needed

2007-02-12 Thread Rick Harnish
As most of you know, we have a mailing list for every state designed specifically for WISPs to communicate with each other on a more local basis to keep up with legislative issues and local opportunities. We really need someone to step up in each state and try to organize each of these lists and

[WISPA] - What about insurance?

2007-02-12 Thread Dave Brenton
Hello Gang, and Happy Monday. I'm wondering what kind of insurance y'all use for your businesses? Particularly insuring towers and access points against weather damage, lighting, wind, etc. or do you self-insure. What about liability? Installer Accident? Any advise will be appreciated. Dave

Re: [WISPA] - What about insurance?

2007-02-12 Thread Blake Bowers
There is only one person to handle tower insurance. (Now to open that can o' worms) http://www.towerinsurance.net/ David Saul. The best. Tell him I said to call. He can handle most other insurance needs, but in the tower industry he is the person to call. - Original Message -

RE: [WISPA] - What about insurance?

2007-02-12 Thread Mac Dearman
Dave, It would be a MISTAKE to not check these folks out. I have had insurance here for years, but I can honestly say that I have never ha a claim so I can't tell you if they pay or not. LOL I do know they will take your money, give you a web log in that enables you to add ( print) your own

RE: [WISPA] - What about insurance?

2007-02-12 Thread Mac Dearman
I guess it wouldn't hurt to provide a link eh? :-) http://www.ccbsure.com/Home.aspx Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 10:20 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] - What

[WISPA] Need an all temp ap with very small size

2007-02-12 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Hi All, I have a water tower that's kicking my tail. I've been through a slug of sb and inscape and compex ap's. Everything works for a little while then either outright dies or starts flaking out. Power seems to be fine, and there are NO pumps at this local. I've got grounding and

Re: [WISPA] Need an all temp ap with very small size

2007-02-12 Thread Blake Bowers
Check to see if you have stray voltage from a good ground to the water tower itself. It is actually a very common thing - and can cause equipment to do very very strange things. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Cc:

Re: [WISPA] Site Survey

2007-02-12 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
No, the tx power won't help with a site survey. AND that little antenna can't have more than a couple of dB of gain... I still like my Lucent Gold card with a 24 dB grid. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)

Re: [WISPA] Need an all temp ap with very small size

2007-02-12 Thread George Rogato
Alvarion Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hi All, I have a water tower that's kicking my tail. I've been through a slug of sb and inscape and compex ap's. Everything works for a little while then either outright dies or starts flaking out. Power seems to be fine, and there are NO

RE: [WISPA] Site Survey

2007-02-12 Thread David Hughes
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Re: [WISPA] Need an all temp ap with very small size

2007-02-12 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
we're in a metal conduit that we're in, it ties my box at the bottom of the tower to the box on the top. I've looked at voltage and grounding issues as closely as I can. My thought has always been a grounding issue too. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181

[WISPA] Photo needed- sector or omni on elevated water tank

2007-02-12 Thread Ralph
I'm working on a small town project and need to come up with a photo or two for some council members to see at a meeting tonight. Can anyone send me a pic of either a 900 omni or sector on an elevated water tank (mounted on the railing). I'm planning on using a sector, but I'd like both pics to

Re: [WISPA] Site Survey

2007-02-12 Thread Mark Nash
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Re: [WISPA] Need an all temp ap with very small size

2007-02-12 Thread Scott Reed
Conduit is a terrible way to ground anything. I remember many years ago fighting a problem for over a year. System ran great in the summer, not worth a nickel in the winter. Finally determine a voltage difference between 2 units sitting 5 feet from each other. Had an electrician do some

Re: [WISPA] Photo needed- sector or omni on elevated water tank

2007-02-12 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
We use the railing. I suppose it depends on the rail. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [WISPA] Site Survey

2007-02-12 Thread Brett Meier
Your idea of using the PDA/AP should work very well. We are in the process of building such a set of equipment. We don't use Tranzeo, only Alvarion and Mikrotik, so I'm not sure of its configuration interface and protocol, but for platforms like the LiteStation2/5 or any unit with a web-based GUI,

Re: [WISPA] Need an all temp ap with very small size

2007-02-12 Thread Lonnie Nunweiler
Compex was fully certified for the antennas you used? hmmm Lonnie On 2/12/07, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I have a water tower that's kicking my tail. I've been through a slug of sb and inscape and compex ap's. Everything works for a little while then

RE: [WISPA] Photo needed- sector or omni on elevated water tank

2007-02-12 Thread Mac Dearman
DONE Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 12:50 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Photo needed- sector or omni on elevated water tank I'm working on a small town project and need

[WISPA] Advertising Expenses

2007-02-12 Thread Rick Smith
I know this question will get a lot of varied response, but I figured I'd throw it out there. I'm in the middle of investing / biz plans, etc... Trying to come up with a number for what we would theoretically spend to reinvent the company so-to-speak and get the name known. Looking at radio /

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread Mark Nash
Include me in WISPA 445 Filing. UnwiredOnline.Net, LLC Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED];

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread rabbtux rabbtux
Please include me in the WISPA 445 filing Rabbit Meadows Technology, LLC On 2/12/07, John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are a paid WISPA Principal Member then you do not have to worry about filing your CALEA Form 445. Kris Twomey is handling it for all paid WISPA Principal

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread John Scrivner
Kris Twomey says he can handle our filing on behalf of all WISPA members and that he can do it with just a company name for now. He will file for all of WISPA operators who wish and include company names of those who want to be included. No names will be included who have already filed

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread Matt
Kris Twomey says he can handle our filing on behalf of all WISPA members and that he can do it with just a company name for now. He will file for all of WISPA operators who wish and include company names of those who want to be included. No names will be included who have already filed themselves

[WISPA] New WISPA Member

2007-02-12 Thread John Scrivner
Mark Nash from UnwiredOnline.Net has been part of this WISPA list for a while and now he has made his connection to WISPA official by becoming a Principal WISPA Member. We thank you, Mark, for formalizing your relationship with WISPA and for making your contribution to the efforts which will

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread cw
No, thank you. I've already wasted most of the day completing the forms but our post office run for the day is already gone. So, I was wondering if our forms could be post marked Tuesday instead of Monday. - cw John Scrivner wrote: Kris Twomey says he can handle our filing on behalf of all

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread Bill Gaylord
John please include us, COLI Inc. Bill Gaylord COLI Inc John Scrivner wrote: If you are a paid WISPA Principal Member then you do not have to worry about filing your CALEA Form 445. Kris Twomey is handling it for all paid WISPA Principal Members who want it done for them. They are allowing

RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread Don Renner
Include NetsurfUSA, Inc. in the WISPA 445 filing for CALEA. Don Renner NetsurfUSA, Inc. 812-936-4514 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 2:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED];

RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread chris cooper
Ok I paid up Please include us in CALEA filing Intelliwave, LLC Thanks Chris Cooper Intelliwave, LLC 740.592.0322 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread Rick Smith
Just paid up... include RTPS Networks, Inc. d/b/a Near You Networks THANKS! AWESOME IDEA! R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 4:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 445

RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread Cliff Leboeuf
Boy...if that's not a valuable service justifying my dues. - Cliff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 2:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Form 445 If you are a

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread Eric Merkel
On 2/12/07, John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are a paid WISPA Principal Member then you do not have to worry about filing your CALEA Form 445. Kris Twomey is handling it for all paid WISPA Principal Members who want it done for them. They are allowing later filing now. Kris will be

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread Tim Kerns
John. Include CV-Access, Inc. Thanks, Tim Kerns - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 445 Kris Twomey says he can handle our filing on behalf of all

RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread Jeff Broadwick
A Canadian company that I was talking to thought it was just a matter of time until they had the same sort of regs. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 4:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA]

RE: [WISPA] Photo needed- sector or omni on elevated water tank

2007-02-12 Thread Ralph
I don't know what he means, for sure by bad. I guess as far as physical strength goes, it depends on the railing. As far as signal pattern goes, if he means an omni, then that isn't a really great use of your RF. And if he means having a sector on the railing is somehow bad- I don't know. My

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread John Scrivner
Kris Twomey has told me he can do this and that it will meet the requirements for filing. It is not a terribly difficult thing to do but it is just easy to use an attorney for anything like this. I do not bother trying to meet every legal filing requirement. I consider that my attorney's job

RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread JohnnyO
Erik - are you a paid member of WISPA ? JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Merkel Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 5:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 445 On 2/12/07, John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread Eric Merkel
On 2/12/07, John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kris Twomey has told me he can do this and that it will meet the requirements for filing. It is not a terribly difficult thing to do but it is just easy to use an attorney for anything like this. I do not bother trying to meet every legal filing

RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread Rick Smith
I think I'm going to be the first to say this, but I don't have time to give a crap about calea. I'm taking advantage of an industry organization to do something on my behalf, because I can't have the time to give a crap later when the FCC comes knocking after finding out I DIDN'T file... Now,

[WISPA] So what do you think

2007-02-12 Thread wispa
So, what do you think CALEA compliance will cost you? Got a number yet, or have you promised compliance without knowing the price tag? I said that not resisting regulation would kill us. The process has begun. We marched in to be fleeced, smiling and bleating softly. Been nice knowing

RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread wispa
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 23:46:13 -0500, Rick Smith wrote I think I'm going to be the first to say this, but I don't have time to give a crap about calea. I'm taking advantage of an industry organization to do something on my behalf, because I can't have the time to give a crap later when the

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread George Rogato
I predict the little guy will end up giving all his subs publics and passing the ball to their upstreams, and probably-most likely for a price. I find it hard to believe this is not going to be an option. We'll find out more Thursday when we meet at the Hoover Building in DC to talk to the

RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread JohnnyO
Doom and Gloom eh Mark ? Damn man - the big pessimist (sp?) JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wispa Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 10:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Form 445 On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 23:46:13 -0500,

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread wispa
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:04:37 -0800, George Rogato wrote I predict the little guy will end up giving all his subs publics and passing the ball to their upstreams, and probably-most likely for a price. I find it hard to believe this is not going to be an option. You actually think that the

RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread wispa
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 23:22:12 -0600, JohnnyO wrote I'm not a pessimist at all. I just know what federal regulation means. It means WE GO AWAY. Federal regulation is the DEATH of small business. I have no doubt the Telcos and Cablecos are no doubt celebrating big time. What they could not

RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread Mac Dearman
Patients who experience an acute psychotic episode lasting longer than one day but less than one month and that may or may not immediately follow an important life stress or a pregnancy (with postpartum onset). This illness usually comes as a surprise as there is no forewarning that the person is

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread George Rogato
wispa wrote: You actually think that the big guys will actually let that happen? Yeah, I can see it now, our upstreams turning CALEA compliance into a profit center. Anyways if you want to bring your own tape recorder up to the feds and ask them some questions, go for it. But the

CALEA - HOW? RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread Rick Smith
OK, Don't point me to some confusing URL I don't have time (or patience) to read about how to comply with CALEA. What are YOU as a WISP doing to comply ? How much is it costing you ? What technology ? How would you provide the hook in so the FBI could just listen in at any time (is that

[WISPA] anyone used high powered deliberant?

2007-02-12 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Hi All, I have to put in a system that'll do 17 miles ptp. I can do it today with a 500mw amp and 8dB omni. Anyone used one of these? http://www.gnswireless.com/DLB2700.htm Is there any receive gain on them? If it's only -80ish receive sensitivity it won't be able to do the same range as

Re: [WISPA] anyone used high powered deliberant?

2007-02-12 Thread George Rogato
Why don't you do it in 5 gig and skip the 2 gig - amp? The more I do this stuff the more I think 2 gig is short and 5 gig is long. Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, I have to put in a system that'll do 17 miles ptp. I can do it today with a 500mw amp and 8dB omni. Anyone used one of

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
George, I'm not sure if you got the note yet. But you guys are going to the Hoover building for that meeting! Into the belly of the beast! grin What *I'd* like to see happen is two fold. A: What the heck do we really have to do, in plain English please, in order to be compliant. B: You

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Rick, I've been talking with both the FCC and FBI. It's up in the air yet, but it looks like calea compliance won't be that big of a deal. We'll know much more after the Thursday meetings our guys are having. Here's what I understand so far I've gotten this from the head of the FBI's

Re: [WISPA] anyone used high powered deliberant?

2007-02-12 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
30+ existing subs from that tower. Besides, I'm not putting up ANY WiFi based 5 gig gear. I'm not gonna go down that interference road again. I may change my mind for some really small systems, but those ones aren't likely to have spectrum issues anyway so why bother? I'm really

RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread Rick Smith
thanks Marlon... Got one more for you - what about the hotels that hook up to me for virtual hotspot authentication / billing services through Mikrotik's hotspot mechanism... am I or the Hotel responsible for capture ? heh. I'm sure there's many more questions... -Original Message-

Re: CALEA - HOW? RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread wispa
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 00:49:52 -0500, Rick Smith wrote OK, Don't point me to some confusing URL I don't have time (or patience) to read about how to comply with CALEA. How would you provide the hook in so the FBI could just listen in at any time (is that the way it works ? Or do they

RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread JohnnyO
George - who decides what is reasonable or not ? Is this a personal decision ? Sorry to stick a thorn in here, but, I think Mark's questions are valid and should be asked on behalf of WISPA. JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George

RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread wispa
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 23:55:19 -0600, Mac Dearman wrote It's going to be to easy Rick. If everyone will hold their horses and just trot for a short time they will get everything lined out. The ability to stream live data is already in place here and it's cheap. I don't know why it wouldn't be

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread wispa
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:44:20 -0800, George Rogato wrote wispa wrote: You actually think that the big guys will actually let that happen? Yeah, I can see it now, our upstreams turning CALEA compliance into a profit center. Anyways if you want to bring your own tape recorder up to the

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread Joe Laura
My only question is if we do not know for sure exactly what we need to be compliant by 5/14/07 is it smart to sign on the dotted line saying we will be compliant? Am I missing something? Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread George Rogato
Well ask a question and we'll see. Guess if I'm supposed to be the messenger, it's me. If someone wants me to go and ask ridiculous politically radical questions, then forget about it. They can just dial the number and ask themselves. But a non political real question is no problem. George

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread wispa
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 01:03:27 -0600, Joe Laura wrote My only question is if we do not know for sure exactly what we need to be compliant by 5/14/07 is it smart to sign on the dotted line saying we will be compliant? Am I missing something? The part that gets me... You have to state that

Re: CALEA - HOW? RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread Butch Evans
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, Rick Smith wrote: OK, Don't point me to some confusing URL I don't have time (or patience) to read about how to comply with CALEA. The most difficult thing about the CALEA compliance issue is that the format of the data has not, yet, been finalized. This makes it

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread George Rogato
I don't know the answer, I would assume us the isp would be the responsible party. I suppose you will have to charge more as well. But thats a legit question that will be asked. And a good one too. Rick Smith wrote: thanks Marlon... Got one more for you - what about the hotels that hook

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread Jason
1. Here's a question: for those who don't have symmetric rates to/from the internet (I have 1meg down and , supposedly 128k up, but often it's something like 24 up, satellite you know...) streaming just will not work. Can we store and forward? Or in general, are they taking into account the

RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread Butch Evans
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007, wispa wrote: This is the FCC declaring that EVERY MEANS OF COMMUNICATION BE PRE-TAPPED at the expense of industry. WHAT? You are not correct. This is the LEA asking for a means to collect data on suspected criminals. They will have to have a subpoena to gather the

RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread wispa
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 01:40:41 -0600 (CST), Butch Evans wrote On Mon, 12 Feb 2007, wispa wrote: This is the FCC declaring that EVERY MEANS OF COMMUNICATION BE PRE-TAPPED at the expense of industry. WHAT? You are not correct. This is the LEA asking for a means to collect data on