RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-13 Thread Butch Evans
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, wispa wrote: Uhmm, Butch... No, they're not asking for a means. They're insisting that we build the tap into our network, at our expense, prior to a request ( whether we got any requests or not ), to provide them data in a specific form. And what form is that data

RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-13 Thread wispa
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 02:40:07 -0600 (CST), Butch Evans wrote On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, wispa wrote: Uhmm, Butch... No, they're not asking for a means. They're insisting that we build the tap into our network, at our expense, prior to a request ( whether we got any requests or not ), to

RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-13 Thread Rick Smith
Was it being alarmist to shout the redcoats are coming! ? I understand no one knows the format of the data yet. But the truth is that CALEA is an attempt to put the trigger there, get us to go broke funding it, and let them pull it any time they want... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL

RE: [WISPA] anyone used high powered deliberant?

2007-02-13 Thread Harold Bledsoe
Actually we have recently added an LNA to this product that boosts the receive sensitivity to -91 @ 11Mbps (same as the DLB25xx). We haven't had time to update all the product docs yet but will hopefully get to it today or tomorrow. -Hal Harold Bledsoe Deliberant LLC 800.742.9865 x205 (office)

RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-13 Thread Jeff Broadwick
I misunderstood this initially also, but the Feds do NOT have access to your network. They have to provide you with a subpoena and then you have (generally) 48 hours to provide them with the traffic stream. I do agree that it is an unfunded mandate, but I don't see any way around it. You do get

RE: CALEA - HOW? RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-13 Thread Jeff Broadwick
Actually, the standard for connecting the mediation box to the LEA (known as LAES) has been finalized. The standard for connecting from the router to the mediation box (T1-IAS I believe) will be finalized later this month. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-13 Thread Dave Brenton
Include me in WISPA 445 Filing I Guess. I Mean we are not yet operational so there is nothing to monitor as of this date. So including us in may be the INCORRECT move at this time. it's RTWB, LLC dba Rural Tennessee Wireless Broadband Dave Brenton General Manager Rural Tennessee Wireless

Re: CALEA - HOW? RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-13 Thread Matt Liotta
We are just deploying a new IOS image that includes Cisco's SII architecture. Our only cost is time. -Matt Rick Smith wrote: OK, Don't point me to some confusing URL I don't have time (or patience) to read about how to comply with CALEA. What are YOU as a WISP doing to comply ? How much

[WISPA] Personal Attacks and CALEA

2007-02-13 Thread Rick Harnish
Ladies and Gentlemen, Please respect each other's opinions and avoid personal attacks of any nature. We have a challenge presented to us (CALEA) and we need to hear all sides and work towards developing a goal. The goal is to work through these mandated rules and develop a platform, maybe a

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-13 Thread Anthony Will
My understanding is that only broadband providers are responsible to be compliant. In order to be a broadband provider you have to offer symmetrical 200kb+ service. Anthony Broadband Corp. Jason wrote: 1. Here's a question: for those who don't have symmetric rates to/from the internet (I

RE: [WISPA] anyone used high powered deliberant?

2007-02-13 Thread Ralph
Marlon- We have three of them in testing. So far, I'm pretty impressed. They have a newer iteration that had a preamp built in, so the sensitivity is very good. Stay away from the Amp and try the Deliberant. That FCC sticker on the side is your friend if/when you get a visit from Uncle Charlie.

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-13 Thread RickG
HEAD ON - Apply directly to your forehead! On 2/13/07, Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Patients who experience an acute psychotic episode lasting longer than one day but less than one month and that may or may not immediately follow an important life stress or a pregnancy (with postpartum

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-13 Thread RickG
OK folks - Most of you are in rural areas where you are the only choice for broadband. You need to advise your subscribers and your congressional representatives of the hardship this will cause. Perhaps if they lose votes, they will help. -RickG On 2/13/07, Dave Brenton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

RE: CALEA - HOW? RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-13 Thread Russ Kreigh
Matt - Do you have a link to this, or an IOS train number? I couldn't find it on CCO. I know Cisco has a solution, just haven't been able to find much about it. Thanks, Russ Kreigh Network Engineer OnlyInternet.Net Broadband Wireless Supernova Technologies Office: (800) 363-0989 Direct:

Re: CALEA - HOW? RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-13 Thread Matt Liotta
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/routers/ps352/prod_bulletin0900aecd802d2ed0.html -Matt Russ Kreigh wrote: Matt - Do you have a link to this, or an IOS train number? I couldn't find it on CCO. I know Cisco has a solution, just haven't been able to find much about it. Thanks, Russ

[WISPA] RE: 445

2007-02-13 Thread Martha Huizenga
So what are people who are filing doing to become compliant by May? Are there specific products being used? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-13 Thread Mark Nash
Mark, You keep saying that the government is killing you, and yet we keep getting posts from you...indicating to me that you're still in business. What's up with that? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998-

Re: CALEA - HOW? RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-13 Thread Dylan Oliver
Looks like these platforms are supported: 1-pre2 1-pre3 7200 7301 as5350 as5350xm as5400 as5400hpx as5400xm as5850-ersc as5850-rsc -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] So what do you think

2007-02-13 Thread John Scrivner
Mark, With CFR Part-15 rules we did ask for and received relaxing of the qualifications for certification of systems to allow for lower cost certification of legal systems using multiple combinations of antennas with radios. We saved WISPs money and made it easier for WISPs to meet the rules.

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-13 Thread John Scrivner
Question 1. If WISPA develops an industry standard which meets all the technical and legal requirements of the law, will law enforcement accept our data stream from whatever standard we develop? Question 2. Will your office allow us to have a system or process certified as being CALEA

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-13 Thread Butch Evans
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, John Scrivner wrote: Question 1. If WISPA develops an industry standard which meets all the technical and legal requirements of the law, will law enforcement accept our data stream from whatever standard we develop? In addition to this, how about adding the idea of

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-13 Thread John Scrivner
Mark said: So, you think the big guys aren't going to lobby for things that benefit them, while we have no voice or consideration because don't have billions to lobby with? We have people going to D.C. to meet with the FBI directly to help get this all worked out. How much more

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-13 Thread John Scrivner
I have not spent one penny on CALEA yet. I know I will but I bet it will not be much and I bet this will all look like sky is falling dialog when it is all said and done. I remember the day that K-Mart said they were going to give away free dialup nationwide. I think that was around 2000. Now

Re: [WISPA] anyone used high powered deliberant?

2007-02-13 Thread John Scrivner
Harold, As with your other products, this is certified with the FCC with your antennas, correct? Thanks, Scriv Harold Bledsoe wrote: Actually we have recently added an LNA to this product that boosts the receive sensitivity to -91 @ 11Mbps (same as the DLB25xx). We haven't had time to

Re: CALEA - HOW? RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-13 Thread John Scrivner
What can you tell us about the mediation box? Is this something we can build a few of as WISPA and send to members who need it? Thanks, Scriv Jeff Broadwick wrote: Actually, the standard for connecting the mediation box to the LEA (known as LAES) has been finalized. The standard for

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-13 Thread Sam Tetherow
Me as well, if you didn't imply that from the private email this morning. Sandhills Wireless, LLC Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Tim Wolfe wrote: Get me in there!. Include me in WISPA 445 Filing WaveCrazy Communications Rick Herrmann wrote: Include me in WISPA 445 Filing Zing LLC

Re: [WISPA] RE: 445

2007-02-13 Thread John Scrivner
WISPA is working with the FBI and others to develop a plan for all of us. One of the first things we will do is request an extension of the deadline since the requirements have not even been fully developed yet. Scriv Martha Huizenga wrote: So what are people who are filing doing to become

Re: CALEA - HOW? RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-13 Thread Edward H. Winters
Butch, Here's a decient paper based on the european version of calea. http://www.aqsacomna.com/us/articles/LIIPWhitePaperv21.pdf Ed On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 13:33:55 -0600 (CST) Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SO..for a WISPA built mediation box, you could simply put together a Linux server

RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-13 Thread JohnnyO
John Scrivner said I think we can assume from this point forward that Mark wants nothing to do with this effort other than to derail the process if possible. I assure you we are trying to do our best to balance the needs of the government and the needs of our WISP operators who we serve. John -

Re: CALEA - HOW? RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-13 Thread John Scrivner
Let me ask a stupid question. Why is it not the FEDS job to translate data as they see fit? George, please ask that question when you see the FBI. This one is very important to me. I am also copying our attorney, Kris Twomey, on this particular issue. This sounds like a bunch of crapola if

[WISPA] 445 Filing forWISPA Members

2007-02-13 Thread John Scrivner
The list of those to include on the WISPA group 445 filing has been sent to Kris Twomey who is our attorney for CALEA issues. If others here wish to be included you will need to contact me via telephone at 618-237-2387 as soon as possible to be included. If you are a WISPA Principal Member

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-13 Thread Dawn DiPietro
Anthony, I hate to burst your bubble. This is a quote from the following page; http://www.fcc.gov/calea/ Common carriers, facilities-based broadband Internet access providers, and providers of interconnected Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) service – all three types of entities are

[WISPA] IMPORTANT

2007-02-13 Thread John Scrivner
If you are a paid member of WISPA and your company is not listed below or needs edited please let me know immediately. This is the final edited list of those which will be included in the 445 filing unless I hear something right away from others. My cell number is 618-237-2387 if you email me

[WISPA] New WISPA Member

2007-02-13 Thread John Scrivner
Please help me welcome Chris and Kathryn Cooper of Intelliwave LLC. They are one of WISPA's newest Principal Members. We have quite a run of new membership of late. We thank each and every one of you for taking this important step to help show support for your industry. WISPA is the voice of

Re: [WISPA] State Leader's needed

2007-02-13 Thread Sam Tetherow
One thing I noticed is the state lists aren't mentioned or linked from the web pages at www.wispa.org. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Rick Harnish wrote: As most of you know, we have a mailing list for every state designed specifically for WISPs to communicate with each other on a more local

RE: [WISPA] Thanks Butch, What about VLAN Packet Loss on the RB44

2007-02-13 Thread Butch Evans
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007, Don Annas wrote: Thank you very much for the clarification. I have also noticed that we have MUCH better luck w/ the GIG RB syncing w/ a gig port on the Cisco 2960. This is good news, too. I wonder if it is because of the chipsets that are used for the Cisco or on the

Re: [WISPA] Personal Attacks and CALEA

2007-02-13 Thread Butch Evans
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, Rick Harnish wrote: Please respect each other's opinions and avoid personal attacks of any nature. We have a challenge presented to us (CALEA) and we My comments were personal attacks and I should not have done that on the lists. They were intended to offset the FUD

[WISPA] WA State WISPS

2007-02-13 Thread D. Ryan Spott
Hello all! I am looking at leasing space on the ground or on a tower owned by WA State Department of Natural Resources. When I look at the leasing brochure they list wireless broadband providers and cellular telephone carriers as a you must negotiate rate. So.. do any of you have

RE: [WISPA] Personal Attacks and CALEA

2007-02-13 Thread Rick Harnish
Butch, We are in total agreement. The prices I quoted are very out of line, typical get it while the getting's good pricing. Competition will solve that. You are working on a solution as well as others. I commend all vendors who see an opportunity here in the WISP and small ISP market niche.

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-13 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
The form does not mean that you are compliant. It's simply to let the FCC know where you are at in the process. Just tell them where you are at in getting compliant. You need to tell them what your plan is. Laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Martha Huizenga [EMAIL

Re: [WISPA] IMPORTANT

2007-02-13 Thread Jim Stout
John, I'm sorry but I just read this email thread. If it's not too late, please include me in the 445 filing. Thanks, Jim in KC Jim Stout LTO Communications, LLC 15701 Henry Andrews Dr Pleasant Hill, MO 64080 (816) 305-1076 - Mobile (816) 497-0033 - Pager - Original Message -

Re: [WISPA] Routers

2007-02-13 Thread KyWiFi LLC
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[WISPA] Calling Forbes Mercy

2007-02-13 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Hiya Forbes, I tried calling you but you didn't answer. All I got was a message from a poor lost sole lamenting the loss of a loved one! baawhahahahahahahahahhaa ducking -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

[WISPA] Last Call for 445 filing

2007-02-13 Thread John Scrivner
If you guys want to be listed on the WISPA joint 445 filing and you were not in this first round 445 filing we sent earlier today then please get paid up and send me your request. It should say Include 'your company name' in the WISPA 445 Addendum. I will accept additions until noon on Friday