Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz

2007-03-27 Thread Jack Unger
Marlon, Just for info... see inline... Marlon K. Schafer wrote: All due respect right back at ya! grin Anyhow, to think that manufacturers all have our best interests at heart is a bit naive I think. What's better for them? A 4' dish sale or a cheap and easy 2' or 1' dish? DISH SIZE

Re: [WISPA] IPTV

2007-03-27 Thread Sam Tetherow
Rich Comroe wrote: SNIP Yeah, but ... Location Free, Slingbox, etc., do quite nicely on much much less BW. Is IPTV really that much of a hog that it needs 1.25Mbps? How could it possibly compete against products out there already that use only a tenth of this BW? The items that use

Re: [WISPA] CALEA compliance methods

2007-03-27 Thread wispa
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 22:09:23 -0700, Marlon K. Schafer wrote Mark, your info is 3 years old We have to be ready to tap our lines. Even IMs. marlon I think you missed my point, Marlon... That being that not even the government is a reliable source of information about what the

RE: [WISPA] IPTV

2007-03-27 Thread Rick Smith
fyi, we just switched over a fios customer onto our trango 900 mhz system. they were so pissed at the up/down constant thrashing of their high speed fios service... quite happy with us now :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson

Re: [WISPA] CALEA compliance methods

2007-03-27 Thread Dawn DiPietro
Mark, wispa wrote: I have been attempting for how long now, to get across to you people that this whole CALEA flap for ISP's is NOT LAW, but opinion from the FCC, where it's attempting to write law instead of Congress. It's a mess, because it's NOT LAW, only Congress can write law and it

[WISPA] Service in York PA.

2007-03-27 Thread Tim Wolfe
I need to know if anyone can service the York PA area. I have a client there who needs bandwidth ASAP. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] IPTV

2007-03-27 Thread Peter R.
Remember that like the term wireless, iptv has way too many meanings. IPTV to the telcos is TV to the cablecos. By saying IPTV, they figure they get around a lot of stuff and make it sound better than broadcast TV. Broadcast TV isn't much of a bandwidth problem - they do it fine today. TV

Re: [WISPA] CALEA compliance methods

2007-03-27 Thread Peter R.
Mark, CALEA IS LAW. There are interpretations of that law, but they have been upheld by courts. CALEA is not the opinion of the DOJ or FCC. It is not far-reaching (like say the Patriot Act) or secret and possibly illegal like the NSA-ATT wiretapping / surveillance. It is part of the 2

RE: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz

2007-03-27 Thread Brad Belton
I don't think you would select 11GHz to go 100'. That's the whole point...let's hope FCC doesn't screw up 11GHz by allowing it's use for short haul applications. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent:

RE: [WISPA] IPTV

2007-03-27 Thread Patrick Leary
Speaking of IPTV... We are demo'ing IPTV with MobiTV and NDS at CTIA http://yahoo.reuters.com/news/articlehybrid.aspx?storyID=urn:newsml:reut ers.com:20070327:MTFH67307_2007-03-27_12-49-45_L27270281type=comktNews rpc=44 Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c

RE: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz

2007-03-27 Thread Brad Belton
Hello Jack, Good to see you're back on track with, IMO, a proper response to the 11GHz question/concerns. Your initial comment came off as who cares and we don't have time for this. John simply dittoed your comments, so what was the group left to believe? I apologize if I misunderstood your

Re: [WISPA] IPTV

2007-03-27 Thread Travis Johnson
Wow... that's good news... after reading PC Magazine's ISP comparison, they made it sound like Verizon's fiber was the end all for every customer they contacted. ;) Travis Microserv Rick Smith wrote: fyi, we just switched over a fios customer onto our trango 900 mhz system. they were so

[WISPA] Indy

2007-03-27 Thread Peter R.
Does anyone operate in Indianapolis? Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. - Telecom Agent 813.963.5884 www.rad-info.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:

RE: [WISPA] Indy

2007-03-27 Thread Rick Harnish
REAL Close to it. What do you need? Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 9:27 AM To: WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz

2007-03-27 Thread Dylan Oliver
The FCC already permits two classes of licensed antennas in Part 101.115: Standard A and Standard B. Antennas meeting performance standard A must be used except in areas not subject to frequency congestion (however that is defined). If Standard B antennas are used, the operator must replace them

Re: [WISPA] IPTV

2007-03-27 Thread Sam Tetherow
Peter, do you have much information on Network DVR (like the term). I would think that if you could get DR owners to agreee to Network DVR it would just be a small jump to real VOD. But then again, I still struggle with the concept of them bitching about people copying stuff that they

RE: [WISPA] IPTV

2007-03-27 Thread David Hughes
One of the major cable systems just lost that fight. The studios and networks filed suit and won on the issue of copyright infringmement. Dave David T. Hughes Director, Corporate Communications Roadstar Internet 604 South King Street -Suite 200 Leesburg, VA 20175 -HOME OF INET LOUDOUN- Office -

Re: [WISPA] IPTV

2007-03-27 Thread Sam Tetherow
That agrees with most of the anecdotal information that I have on it, which is why I am very interested if Peter has information on someone doing it or, if like the rest of the world outside the digital rights holders, he see the immense value of being able to do so for your customer base.

Re: [WISPA] IPTV

2007-03-27 Thread George Rogato
It wouldn't happen to be this one: http://www.samsung.com/Products/ProAV/Plasmas/PPM50M5HBXXAA.asp?page=Specifications I was thinking of buying this last year. Held off looking for lower pricing, so I can buy 2. George Rich Comroe wrote: I myself don't want to watch a movie on my pc

Re: [WISPA] For George - just because you were thinking of me.

2007-03-27 Thread Sam Tetherow
Even worse than the Friday night phenomenon is say Saturdays in the fall. Layne Sisk had some pretty nasty things to say about the IPTV solution used in Utah on football saturdays and how the usage would honestly bring the fiber ring to it knees. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Dawn

Re: [WISPA] For George - just because you were thinking of me.

2007-03-27 Thread Sam Tetherow
Now Marlon, that's not why we ALL insult you ;) Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Marlon K. Schafer wrote: sigh having no viable options vs. having one's head buried in the sand are two totally different things. Boy I'm getting tired of being insulted for having a successful business!

Re: [WISPA] IPTV

2007-03-27 Thread George Rogato
Right, I was just reading this a couple days ago. It did not look good for the future of network based dvr and it sounded like it had implications for anyone wanting to cache primetime tv. David Hughes wrote: One of the major cable systems just lost that fight. The studios and networks filed

Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz

2007-03-27 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
- Original Message - From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 12:23 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz Marlon, Just for info... see inline... Marlon K. Schafer wrote: All

Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz

2007-03-27 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
I TOTALLY disagree with that. On two fronts. First, what's wrong with a short licensed link? If that's what I want to use that's up to me. Maybe I want to put a link that requires 100% uptime guarantee and has to be licensed but only has to cross the train tracks. Ever try to push a cable

RE: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz

2007-03-27 Thread Brad Belton
Marlon, 11GHz is intended for medium to long range links. That is why they require a relatively larger antenna to keep the beam narrow to increase the freq reuse ability. 6GHz requires a 6' minimum antenna and this is a GOOD thing otherwise there would be fewer 6GHz licenses available in any

Re: [WISPA] CALEA compliance methods

2007-03-27 Thread wispa
On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 07:31:56 -0400, Dawn DiPietro wrote Mark, wispa wrote: I have been attempting for how long now, to get across to you people that this whole CALEA flap for ISP's is NOT LAW, but opinion from the FCC, where it's attempting to write law instead of Congress. It's

Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz

2007-03-27 Thread Jack Unger
Marlon, I think you misunderstood Brad's comment. Nowhere does he say not to use a short licensed link. I think his point is that using 11 GHz for a 100-ft link is inappropriate. A higher frequency, like 23 GHz is the proper way to go because lower frequencies go further than higher

Re: [WISPA] CALEA compliance methods

2007-03-27 Thread wispa
On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 08:21:53 -0400, Peter R. wrote Mark, CALEA IS LAW. There are interpretations of that law, but they have been upheld by courts. YOu're arguing against things I'm not saying. CALEA is not the opinion of the DOJ or FCC. It is not far-reaching (like say the Patriot

Re: [WISPA] CALEA compliance methods

2007-03-27 Thread Alan Cain
I, for one, welcome our new overlords. Our Canadian brothers and sisters are going to be dealing with their version of CALEA soon. This is a first reading of a bill in the Canadian legislative body. At least they address the issue of cost to ISPs; unfortunately, they also don't believe in

Re: [WISPA] CALEA compliance methods

2007-03-27 Thread Adam Greene
Hi, While I appreciate Mark's comments and point of view, I for one would like to also start looking for ways to possibly comply with CALEA in a cost-effective way. I'm afraid that if the conversation here is limited to whether we should comply or not, we might lose the opportunity to share

Re: [WISPA] CALEA compliance methods

2007-03-27 Thread George Rogato
I bet the technical aspects of how to comply will be emerging soon. I understand the wispa calea meeting went very well. So there must be some good news. Adam Greene wrote: Hi, While I appreciate Mark's comments and point of view, I for one would like to also start looking for ways to

Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz

2007-03-27 Thread Jack Unger
Brad, I see how my original comment could have been misinterpreted. There was an element of I don't have time for this. Now that I've taken the time (that I didn't have) and (hopefully) asked the right questions, I think it's time for others to follow up if they feel it's an important issue.

Re: [WISPA] CALEA compliance methods

2007-03-27 Thread Dawn DiPietro
Mark, Wireless providers DO have to comply with CALEA whether you like it or not. As quoted from the link I sent you earlier; Nor does our interpretation of section 332 of the Communications Act and its implementing regulations here alter either our decision in the CALEA proceeding to apply

Re: [WISPA] CALEA compliance methods

2007-03-27 Thread George Rogato
The best stratergy to take towards CALEA is to get familiar and get ready to comply. If for some reason it turns out some don't have to comply, then no loss. If it turns out that we all have to comply, then we're ahead of the game. Think positive! Dawn DiPietro wrote: Mark, Wireless

[WISPA] Wireless Credit Cards

2007-03-27 Thread George Rogato
Courtesy of ATT wireless. Just wave your cell phone at the cash register! What will they think of next? -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] Wireless Credit Cards

2007-03-27 Thread Dawn DiPietro
George, In Japan they have been doing this for quite awhile now. Regards, Dawn George Rogato wrote: Courtesy of ATT wireless. Just wave your cell phone at the cash register! What will they think of next? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:

Re: [WISPA] Wireless Credit Cards

2007-03-27 Thread George Rogato
Imagine a hacker type that could just drive downtown Tokyo and charge everyones cell phone at the same time. I bet they could rack up so much money, they couldn't move it fast enough. Dawn DiPietro wrote: George, In Japan they have been doing this for quite awhile now. Regards, Dawn

Re: [WISPA] CALEA compliance methods

2007-03-27 Thread wispa
On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 14:07:51 -0400, Adam Greene wrote Hi, While I appreciate Mark's comments and point of view, I for one would like to also start looking for ways to possibly comply with CALEA in a cost-effective way. I'm afraid that if the conversation here is limited to whether we

Re: [WISPA] CALEA compliance methods

2007-03-27 Thread wispa
On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 14:17:09 -0400, Dawn DiPietro wrote Mark, Wireless providers DO have to comply with CALEA whether you like it or not. As quoted from the link I sent you earlier; Nor does our interpretation of section 332 of the Communications Act and its implementing regulations

RE: [WISPA] CALEA compliance methods

2007-03-27 Thread Ralph
I have posted a couple of messages over on the Mikrotik forum over the last month or so. Mikrotik first basically said why should we care- we are in Latvia. After a little pressure from users, they began to ask for more information about the subject. I'm not at all knowledgeable enough to

RE: [WISPA] CALEA compliance methods

2007-03-27 Thread Jeff Broadwick
Mark, Right or wrong, Congress regularly delegates rule-making to the various agencies. They pass laws that are purposely vague and/or broad and they empower the various agencies (and the courts, ultimately) to fill in the blanks. It's questionable Constitutionally, if you believe that we

RE: [WISPA] CALEA compliance methods

2007-03-27 Thread wispa
On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:29:18 -0400, Jeff Broadwick wrote Mark, Right or wrong, Congress regularly delegates rule-making to the various agencies. They pass laws that are purposely vague and/or broad and they empower the various agencies (and the courts, ultimately) to fill in the blanks.

Re: [WISPA] CALEA compliance methods

2007-03-27 Thread Clint Ricker
Just as a general rule, CALEA monitoring is not something that you need to--or want to--do at each individual CPE or router. Likewise, although assistance from manufacturors is nice, it is not requisite and in some ways may complicate matters since you can end up with hundreds of different

Re: [WISPA] Wireless Credit Cards

2007-03-27 Thread David E. Smith
George Rogato wrote: Imagine a hacker type that could just drive downtown Tokyo and charge everyones cell phone at the same time. As Dawn mentioned, this has been big in Japan for a while, and AFAIK nothing like this has happened yet. Usually, you do have to confirm (via pressing buttons on

Re: [WISPA] Wireless Credit Cards

2007-03-27 Thread George Rogato
One of these days David David E. Smith wrote: George Rogato wrote: Imagine a hacker type that could just drive downtown Tokyo and charge everyones cell phone at the same time. As Dawn mentioned, this has been big in Japan for a while, and AFAIK nothing like this has happened yet.

Re: [WISPA] CALEA compliance methods

2007-03-27 Thread Peter R.
Mark, Enough with the analogies. CALEA is law - not once but twice - 1934 and 1996. Courts have upheld the FCC decision on what CALEA covers. The same laws that give the DOJ the right to wiretap, gives the FCC the right to create guidelines. I don't like it, any more than I like ATT letting

Re: [WISPA] CALEA compliance methods

2007-03-27 Thread Doug Ratcliffe
I've been looking over OpenCALEA - I can't really see any reason for a NON-VOIP provider that it wouldn't do everything properly needed from a Linux command prompt on a 700mhz old HP Presario, all for a cost of less than $100 for a used computer. And when OpenCALEA is done, it will solve 99% of

Re: [WISPA] IPTV Net DVR

2007-03-27 Thread Peter R.
Sam, The content rights owners are strong - and a PITA. There business model revolves around record once, sell thousands of times to the same consumer. That model of course is broken - and Gen Y disregards it. If the RIAA and the MPAA keep pushing, a group may get together and sue. Like

Re: [WISPA] IPTV

2007-03-27 Thread Clint Ricker
Travis, There is an important distinction to be made between IPTV and Internet TV; IPTV is simply television delivered over IP whereas Internet TV is IPTV delivered over the Internet. This is an important distinction because no service provider (that I know of) is actually providing Internet TV,

Re: [WISPA] CALEA compliance methods

2007-03-27 Thread George Rogato
Clint Ricker wrote: Just as a general rule, CALEA monitoring is not something that you need to--or want to--do at each individual CPE or router. Wouldn't it be cool, and cheap, if it was just that easy? Here's your encrypted access to xxx customers radio / port, it's yours to monitor...?

RE: [WISPA] CALEA compliance methods- For Clint

2007-03-27 Thread Ralph
Hello Clint. You are confusing me. When I mention MT, I said routers, not CPE. We don't use non type accepted CPE and therefore don't have MT in any form at the customer end. However our site routers and even the edge router ARE MT- even the edge router. Those are what I am talking about. I

Re: [WISPA] IPTV

2007-03-27 Thread Rich Comroe
Yeah, that's it! Naw it's not. I shouldn't be embarassed to tell the truth. The 48 display is the lowest tech thing in the livingroom. It's an almost 10yr old Toshiba rear-projection TV, and the PC simply uses a TV out. So when Sam Tetherow says the stuff that uses 1/10th of the bandwidth

Re: [WISPA] For George - just because you were thinking of

2007-03-27 Thread Clint Ricker
Mark, You make some good observations, but I think you miss the overall point. In the end, the technical details of who can deliver what Mb/s doesn't matter when your competitor wins customers because they can offer services that you can't. It is true that cable and telco backbones can't handle

Re: [WISPA] CALEA compliance methods - 3rd party

2007-03-27 Thread Peter R.
There are 3rd party vendors, like IP Fabrics with CALEA compliance gear. For data it shouldn't be that big of a deal since the Edge Router (connecting your WAN with your upstream) should be able to be tapped, if you use what I will call a brand name (Cisco, Juniper, Redback, blah, blah and

[WISPA] Intel Announces Tremendous Breakthrough

2007-03-27 Thread Jack Unger
...one of the big differences between standard Wi-Fi and Intel's long-range version lies in the fact that the long-range signals are directional: they are tuned to travel from one antenna to another one and nowhere else. A standard Wi-Fi antenna broadcasts its signal in a 360-degree

Re: [WISPA] For George - just because you were thinking of

2007-03-27 Thread Peter R.
Clint Ricker wrote: It is true that cable and telco backbones can't handle a simultaneous sustained 1Mb/s to all of their subscribers; last mile is the most talked about limitation; however, transport to the node is a major limitation although less so as many service providers are upgrading to

Re: [WISPA] CALEA compliance methods

2007-03-27 Thread Blair Davis
I've been watching this discussion for a bit. Up front, I have to say I agree with Mark. Say the FBI and DOJ wanted a way to track any automobile in the country in real time, (so the bad guys can't hide their movements). They go to the DOT and the the DOT decides that the way to do this is

[WISPA] why join when you disagree?

2007-03-27 Thread Peter R.
One reason would be so that your voice and opinion are heard. Maybe you and Mark can take Board seats and WISPA would take a turn towards your view of how things should be. Rarely does an ISP association represent the views of the louder minority. Since it is volunteer and made up of

Re: [WISPA] why join ... a rant

2007-03-27 Thread Peter R.
I haven't joined yet either. Three reasons: (1) I would have to join as a vendor, since I am a consultant - and I can't as yet see the ROI. (2) I see the similarities here to another group that I belonged to ... and I don't want to go down that path again. (3) I have a real problem with

[WISPA] price

2007-03-27 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, Anyone happen to know the MSRP of the new Redline AN-80 5.4ghz p2p system? Travis Microserv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] CALEA compliance methods

2007-03-27 Thread Adam Greene
Thanks all for the interesting posts ... Regarding tapping at the edge between my upstream provider and me, I'm of the understanding that I need to be able to capture all of my customer's data, even that which passes between one customer and another, or between my customer and my mail server,

Re: [WISPA] why join when you disagree?

2007-03-27 Thread Blair Davis
Peter R. wrote: So, Blair, none of what WISPA has done, you agree with? Did not say that. Then why are you still on the list? I monitor this public list, and others, to get an idea where things are going in the industry. Also, to lobby and fight takes effort, energy, time and money. And

Re: [WISPA] CALEA compliance methods

2007-03-27 Thread Dawn DiPietro
Blair, Two months ago, we were ready to join WISPA. At the time, I felt that WISPA had proven its longevity and was becoming a mature voice for the WISP's. But, after the form 477 issue, FCC sticker issue, and now the CALEA issue, I'm pretty sure that I disagree with the majority of the

Re: [WISPA] CALEA compliance methods

2007-03-27 Thread George Rogato
Blair Davis wrote: Because at WISPA, we don't have to all think the same and have the same opinions all in step. We're not clones. We're individuals who each have our own beliefs and run our operation individually, sometimes uniquely And fortunately WISPA is an organization made up of

Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz

2007-03-27 Thread Bob Moldashel
11 Ghz.Short distance hops.NO There is spectrum for short hops. There is spectrum for medium hops. There is even spectrum for long hops. 11 Ghz. is not appropriate for short hops. Not when there is 18, 23, 24, 38, 60 and 80 Ghz. Even smack in the center of NYC I can get

Re: [WISPA] CALEA compliance methods

2007-03-27 Thread wispa
On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 19:20:15 -0400, Blair Davis wrote I've been watching this discussion for a bit. Up front, I have to say I agree with Mark. Say the FBI and DOJ wanted a way to track any automobile in the country in real time, (so the bad guys can't hide their movements). They go to

Re: [WISPA] CALEA compliance methods

2007-03-27 Thread Blair Davis
George As to form 477 and CALEA, no, no one has spoken of making membership contingent on their position on these issues. But, I do recall a discussion, on this list, 'Dealing with bad players', starting on Feb 8, that basically proposed requiring the use of stickered equipment to be a

RE: [WISPA] price

2007-03-27 Thread Charles Wu
Depends on the config -- per end @ LIST (2 sides = 1 link), you're looking at 9 Mb: 1940 18 Mb: 2245 27 Mb: 2840 36 Mb: 3340 54 Mb: 4540 108 Mb: 5440 -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original

Re: [WISPA] CALEA compliance methods

2007-03-27 Thread George Rogato
Sounds vagely familiar, Like I said, from my opinion, wispa would not be an industry association Remember once had a guy selling jock straps with the wispa logo thinking that was a good idea too. Blair Davis wrote: George As to form 477 and CALEA, no, no one has spoken of making

RE: [WISPA] Intel Announces Tremendous Breakthrough

2007-03-27 Thread Rick Smith
yeah, I was reading this article, and I believe it to be FUD. They were bragging about the ability to backhaul wirelessly between towers...whoopee... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 7:03 PM To:

Re: [WISPA] CALEA compliance methods

2007-03-27 Thread Blair Davis
Inline wispa wrote: On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 19:20:15 -0400, Blair Davis wrote I've been watching this discussion for a bit. Up front, I have to say I agree with Mark. Say the FBI and DOJ wanted a way to track any automobile in the country in real time, (so the bad guys can't hide

RE: [WISPA] Intel Announces Tremendous Breakthrough

2007-03-27 Thread Charles Wu
Ugh...KarlNet? --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 6:03 PM To: wireless@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Intel Announces Tremendous Breakthrough

2007-03-27 Thread George Rogato
I think you missed the technology. They weren't talking about just repeaters, they were talking about making a radio talk to just one other radio at a time through a beam pointed only at that customer radio and no body else's. I think they were talking Vivato or Navini with their beam forming

Re: [WISPA] Intel Announces Tremendous Breakthrough

2007-03-27 Thread Blair Davis
Yep! KarlNet/TurboCell all over again With phased array antennas? Or with servos on the antennas? Charles Wu wrote: Ugh...KarlNet? --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] CALEA compliance methods

2007-03-27 Thread George Rogato
Mark, Right in time. WISPA will be having elections in the very near future. Now is the time to join WISPA and be eligible to cast your vote or run for a board seat. Membership is a very low 250.00 per year. And you get to vote! Try the new automated sign up:

Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz

2007-03-27 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
And exactly HOW do you suppose that a very low power link will somehow screw up the band? Using higher power kills off everything on BOTH ends of the link. The signal doesn't just stop, it continues on past the rec. antenna. Your argument make no sense to me. Not from a frequency reuse

Re: [WISPA] CALEA compliance methods

2007-03-27 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
We're close guys. Just waiting to get a doc fine tuned and double checked. marlon - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA compliance methods I bet the

Re: [WISPA] CALEA compliance methods- For Clint

2007-03-27 Thread Clint Ricker
Ralph, My apologies for the confusion. I think we are more or less on the same page method-wise for gathering that information; I made some assumptions that may have been applicable to your network. Now, as far as the pretty red package and bow for transferring the information to a law

Fw: Fw: [WISPA] CALEA compliance methods

2007-03-27 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
From the lawyers marlon Congress creates legislation, approves it, and then sends it to the President for signature. After that occurs, you have a federal law. In those laws, Congress may delegate authority to carry out the goals of the legislation. CALEA is a federal law and

Re: [WISPA] Service in York PA.

2007-03-27 Thread Patrick Shoemaker
I have seen CPEs on a few commercial buildings in the York area near I-83, so there is likely a WISP in the area. I don't know what company owns them though. Patrick On Tue, March 27, 2007 7:45 am, Tim Wolfe said: I need to know if anyone can service the York PA area. I have a client there

Re: [WISPA] CALEA compliance methods

2007-03-27 Thread Clint Ricker
Adam, Regarding tapping at the edge between my upstream provider and me, I'm of the understanding that I need to be able to capture all of my customer's data, even that which passes between one customer and another, or between my customer and my mail server, or my customer and one of my other

Re: [WISPA] FCC requests .. Bob M. what about FSO

2007-03-27 Thread George Rogato
Hey Bob M. Seeing your on list and talking about short PtP sots. What do you think about FSO, Plaintree? Have you installed much and do you like? I'm thinking that I might have to go that way and figured you could advise. George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org