[WISPA] New List Rules

2007-04-08 Thread Rick Harnish
This past week has brought two occurrences to the WISPA list servs that have shown WISPA in a bad light because of the actions of posters not following the Code of Ethics and current list rules. In both cases, a dispute developed in a private vendor/client relationship. Also in both cases, foul l

Re: [WISPA] NO new customers for VONAGE

2007-04-08 Thread Dawn DiPietro
Tom, Peter's blog has a pretty good post regarding which patents were infringed upon in the Verizon v. Vonage case. http://radinfo.blogspot.com/2007/03/case-106-cv-00682-cmh-brp.html I am not sure it will be of any help to how it may affect other VOIP providers but it is worth the read. Reg

[WISPA] CALEA FAQ-rant

2007-04-08 Thread Ron Wallace
To All, Thanks to all that participated. I know you worked hard and used valuable time which could have been spent on your business. However, Am I the only person in WISPA who disapproves of this 'STUFF'. This is the way Saudi Arabia is run, and that's a total police state. I know, I spent three

Re: [WISPA] CALEA FAQ-rant

2007-04-08 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Ron, you've lost me. What has Saudi got to do with anything here? Also, there's nothing at all wrong with CALEA. Did you read the FAQ or anything else about it? They have to come to US for the data. They won't be putting anything on our networks etc. They want us to be the ones to pull th

[WISPA] 900 MHz Help

2007-04-08 Thread Jim Stout
Folks, I'm just entering into the 900MHz space and would appreciate any advice on channel selection and channel width settings. TIA, Jim Jim Stout LTO Communications, LLC 15701 Henry Andrews Dr Pleasant Hill, MO 64080 (816) 305-1076 - Mobile (816) 497-0033 - Pager -- WISPA Wireless Lis

Re: [WISPA] 900 MHz Help

2007-04-08 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
That's a big question Jim. The first one is, that depends. You'll know what works and what won't when you fire them up and do your speed tests etc. Hopefully you'll be using a radio that has a spectrum checker in it too. On the channel width setting. As a rule, I suggest people use that mi

Re: [WISPA] 900 MHz Help

2007-04-08 Thread Erik Jansson
Don't know what equipment you are using but rule of thumb is horizontal pol unless you in the middle of no where or you have scanned the spectrum. Small channel size (5mhz) 10 or 20)only if you are if you have done a spectrum scan to make sure things are clear. You will find a lot more interfe

RE: [WISPA] 900 MHz Help

2007-04-08 Thread Mac Dearman
Jim, It may be totally different here than it is where you are, but the vertically polarized 900MHz spectrum in saturated down here. In the deepest, darkest woods down in the most remote parts of our area there are water towers, cell phone towers...etc that seem to trash the spectrum. We do ha

Re: [WISPA] CALEA FAQ-rant

2007-04-08 Thread Dawn DiPietro
Ron, I understand your concern but if you want to play in this game you have follow the same laws as everyone else. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Ron Wallace wrote: To All, Thanks to all that participated. I know you worked hard and used valuable time which could have been spent on your business.

Re: [WISPA] 900 MHz Help

2007-04-08 Thread Larry Yunker
Jim, A lot of channel selection is determined by case-specific considerations, but here are a few observations: The bottom end of the 902-928 spectrum is sometimes useless due to cell phone interference The top end of the 902-928 spectrum is sometimes useless due to pager system interference

Re: [WISPA] CALEA FAQ-rant

2007-04-08 Thread Ron Wallace
Yes,Marlon, I read the FAQ. I stand by my Evalution of the information that the Gov wants. Its over the top, none of their business, and I am working to change some of the laws like the ignorance of the Patriot Act. Saudi Arabia, collects the same type of info, we are becoming more like them, th

Re: [WISPA] CALEA FAQ-rant

2007-04-08 Thread Ron Wallace
Thanks Dawn, I don't have to like the infringement on "our" "freedom of speech & expression" or my interpretation of it. >-Original Message- >From: Dawn DiPietro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2007 11:32 AM >To: 'WISPA General List' >Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA FAQ-rant

Re: [WISPA] 900 MHz Help

2007-04-08 Thread Dylan Oliver
Mac, What 900 MHz gear do you use? On 4/8/07, Mac Dearman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: One more thought - my experience with 900MHz is that "it is not a silver bullet" and it never does what I think it ought to. It has been a real bummer fooling with it, but it does give me a piece of mind wh

RE: [WISPA] 900 MHz Help

2007-04-08 Thread Chadd Thompson
My advise is to stay away from it if you can. The noise in most areas is horrible, and I have not seen any gear yet that can deal with it. I have some customers running on it still but any chance I get I take users off 900 and put them on 2.4 or 5.8. The equipment is expensive the antennas are huge

RE: [WISPA] CALEA FAQ-rant

2007-04-08 Thread Jeff Broadwick
CALEA is actually a MAJOR improvement over Carnivore. With Carnivore, they took the whole stream of traffic from everyone, with CALEA, they only get the info that the judge approved. Do you have an issue with all wiretaps (judge approved), or just this sort? Jeff -Original Message-

RE: [WISPA] 900 MHz Help

2007-04-08 Thread Mac Dearman
Behalf Of Dylan Oliver Mac, What 900 MHz gear do you use? 100% Trango :-P The dual electrically selectable polarity and their reliability just keep me coming back to them! Mac -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirele

Re: [WISPA] CALEA FAQ-rant

2007-04-08 Thread George Rogato
However, Am I the only person in WISPA who disapproves of this 'STUFF'. This is the way Saudi Arabia is run, and that's a total police state. I know, I spent three years there. Are we just supposed to just swallow whatever the Bureaucrats 'shovel' our way? Man, this scares the bejesus out o

Re: [WISPA] 900 MHz Help

2007-04-08 Thread Travis Johnson
I agree with Mac. Trango 900mhz just works. Travis Mac Dearman wrote: Behalf Of Dylan Oliver Mac, What 900 MHz gear do you use? 100% Trango :-P The dual electrically selectable polarity and their reliability just keep me coming back to them! Mac -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wi

[WISPA] Re: Wireless Digest, Vol 26, Issue 11

2007-04-08 Thread Dave Hulsebus
Jim, I echo feelings that sectors and an in depth look at the spectrum already in use in the areas you wish to serve. You must become familiar with your landscape. Sometimes hills that block signals can be a good thing because they also block a lot of interferences. 900MHz tends to travel 50

Re: [WISPA] CALEA FAQ-rant

2007-04-08 Thread wispa
On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 14:07:01 +, Ron Wallace wrote > To All, > Thanks to all that participated. I know you worked hard and used > valuable time which could have been spent on your business. However, > Am I the only person in WISPA who disapproves of this 'STUFF'. This > is the way Saudi Arabi

[WISPA] PPPoE The good, the bad and the ugly please

2007-04-08 Thread John Scrivner
Are any of you running PPPoE on your client connections back to a PPPoE concentrator? Is this a good approach? I have heard that one big advantage of this is that you can setup Radius to set everything up for authentication very easily and that you can set every client up as their own individua

RE: [WISPA] 900 MHz Help

2007-04-08 Thread Chadd Thompson
Im experience it depends on what you consider "works". If you consider being able to transfer a decent amount of data with 5% packet loss working then yeah it works, if you have anything that is latency sensitive then no it doesn't work well in noisy environments. Our area is noisy on both H and V

RE: [WISPA] PPPoE The good, the bad and the ugly please

2007-04-08 Thread Mac Dearman
Scriv, PPPOE is a great approach and is very affective, but it does have its disadvantages as well. The only thing I don't like about it is you need to have better than an "average" wireless connection. We try to do this on every install any way, but stuff just happens sometimes after the install