Re: [WISPA] 5GHz Amps

2007-04-23 Thread Jack Unger
Lonnie, I have published a Certification FAQ http://ask-wi.com/certification.html that I believe addresses all of these questions. WISPA also has a Certification email list to further address these issues. That list is currently open only to WISPA members. Regarding using a copy of someone

RE: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition

2007-04-23 Thread Chris Cooper
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 11:39 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition Mark, This was one of the best emails you have ever

RE: [WISPA]FCC Admits Mistakes

2007-04-23 Thread Mac Dearman
I don't think a renegade attitude and anti government personality on the board of WISPA could possibly further our advancement at WISPA. I am not lashing out, but I have grown so weary of reading that the boogie man is gonna get us all. I sit here and wonder sometimes which Gov't official

Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition

2007-04-23 Thread Peter R.
I think many (half?) don't even know that they have to file. Many don't understand CALEA or know that they need to comply. So $500... it would probably get you about 400 more, but who will pony up the $200k? Peter John Thomas wrote: Pete, you hit on an interesting idea. What if the FCC were

RE: [WISPA] What about equipment providers?

2007-04-23 Thread Mike Bushard, Jr
Where did you see that equipment must be CALEA Compliant? We chose Vantage Point for a TTP, and all they were concerned about was the network layout and how routing was handled. The need to know where to put taps and probes. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477)

Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition

2007-04-23 Thread Peter R.
Mark Koskenmaki wrote: Never say never, they say.What will you do when the FCC or FBI comes and says we want you to help us enforce... blah blah?You're going to have a hard time saying no when you have already made a policy of always saying yes. You will have to blow that

[WISPA] Municipal Consultant Rips Broadband Activists

2007-04-23 Thread Peter R.
*Municipal Consultant Rips Broadband Activists http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=21010 * -- Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://www.marketingIDEAguy.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] 5GHz Amps

2007-04-23 Thread Lonnie Nunweiler
Jack, I am aware of your website, and also that you are available, on a paid basis, to help people with this process. It is a new business for you and I wish you well on it. As for the certs, yes, if a company chooses to keep some part of the process secret or proprietary, then the system

[WISPA] FCC Auction Of Low-Range Spectrum Could Open Broadband Doors

2007-04-23 Thread Peter R.
http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/index.htm?job=service_homeid=lower700 http://wireless.fcc.gov/auctions/default.htm?job=auction_summaryid=N2 The Lower 700 MHz Band is comprised of spectrum ranging from 698 MHz to 746 MHz. The spectrum is divided into five blocks.

Re: [WISPA] 5GHz Amps

2007-04-23 Thread George Rogato
What would be nice Lonnie, is if the original war board manufacturer went this rroute as well. Those 2 port boards fit nicely. It would also help if you took part and helped to open up the cert process with us for the products you are specifying. George Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: Jack, I am

RE: [WISPA] 5GHz Amps

2007-04-23 Thread Rick Harnish
Lonnie, Can your software code be adjusted to limit the country codes rather easily? Or, is this feature not delaying the certification process thus far? It would seem to me that the FCC would not certify the system if it can be adjusted by some operators to operate outside of US specifications

[WISPA] Mikrotik's (lame) answer to CALEA as of 4/23

2007-04-23 Thread ralph
I asked: I have 3 of your licensed routers (level 4) When do you plan to release a version of RouterOS that is CALEA compliant? Thank You They Replied: Hello, It already is, you simply have to enable sniffer of all traffic, and store the raw data on a server that captures it. You can

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik's (lame) answer to CALEA as of 4/23

2007-04-23 Thread Travis Johnson
Why is that lame? I don't see where this is Mikrotik's problem or issue. I'm going to keep saying this over and over and over (started over a year ago). Use a smart ethernet switch and mirror your main internet connection to a box that can capture the traffic. Then use something like

RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik's (lame) answer to CALEA as of 4/23

2007-04-23 Thread ralph
It is lame because it is a feature that the user community needs and wants, and the vendor is passing the buck. Not surprising, concerning their actions on FCC certification of other products. Mikrotik makes dandy router software and I support them on that. We do use the PC version in some

[WISPA] OPEN Access POint in Legal Case

2007-04-23 Thread Justin S. Wilson
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070422-child-porn-case-shows-that-an- open-wifi-network-is-no-defense.html Child http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070422-child-porn-case-shows-that-an -open-wifi-network-is-no-defense.html porn case shows that an open WiFi network is no defense

Re: [WISPA] 5GHz Amps

2007-04-23 Thread Jeromie Reeves
That is not much of a issue, or should not be. Atheros cards have a wide RF range (2.3ghz to 2.5ghz for most of the 2.4ghz cards) that they can do. The drivers they are certified with only allow the US spectrum. They likely use a custom driver for the FCC, as some Atheros gear is spec'ed in

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik's (lame) answer to CALEA as of 4/23

2007-04-23 Thread Frank Muto
I do have one question here... does the provider run the risk of privacy when capturing data that is not explicitly requested in the warrant or subpoena? When the connection is mirrored, will the provider be able to dissect the requested data? Because I would assume you can not give the

[WISPA] Community Wireless Summit May 18-20, 2007 -- Washington, DC.

2007-04-23 Thread Sascha Meinrath
FYI: Contact: Sascha Meinrath Executive Director CUWiN Foundation [EMAIL PROTECTED] 217-278-3933 x31 INTERNATIONAL SUMMIT TO ADDRESS FUTURE OF BROADBAND -- Community Technology Leaders from Six Continents to Participate -- Champaign-Urbana, I.L., April 18 -- The CUWiN Foundation and the Center

RE: [WISPA] OPEN Access POint in Legal Case

2007-04-23 Thread Brandon Brownlee
The article should be named ... an open WiFi network is no defense ... when you have burned CDs of illegal content in your room[, expletive-pronoun]. Would it have been a valid defense if the illegal content wasn't found in this man's room, though? Thanks for the link! The links from that

Re: [WISPA] OPEN Access POint in Legal Case

2007-04-23 Thread Peter R.
This proves the point that most laws can only catch the stupid. The smart ones usually only get caught when they deal with a stupid associate. Brandon Brownlee wrote: The article should be named ... an open WiFi network is no defense ... when you have burned CDs of illegal content in your

Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes

2007-04-23 Thread John Scrivner
Peter said: That being said. Since 1999, the RBOCs have been charging us for a DS3 fiber network that they have yet to build. That's right - 45MB to the home - as promised in 1999. Do you have proof of this in some document form? If you do can you share it? I would love to read this. I

Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition

2007-04-23 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
- Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 7:00 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition Mark Koskenmaki wrote: Never say never, they say.What will you do

Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes

2007-04-23 Thread Peter R.
Bruce Kushnick wrote a book about it: http://www.newnetworks.com/broadbandscandals.htm Here's the summary: http://www.newnetworks.com/ShortSCANDALSummary.htm In case you think he made this up, Bruce has pages and reams and pages of documents from VZ's own press releases and FCC and state

Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition

2007-04-23 Thread David E. Smith
Peter R. wrote: So $500... it would probably get you about 400 more, but who will pony up the $200k? For five hundred bucks, I could easily create a few new business entities that serve one or two customers each, do the paperwork, and turn a tidy profit from the affair. I heartily encourage

Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition

2007-04-23 Thread Peter R.
Mark Koskenmaki wrote: I know you've repeatedly complained that I don't put my money where my mouth is, because I can't buy plane tickets and hotel nights and can't run for office in WISPA. But I WILL put EVERYTHING on the line. I'll fight the FCC by myself if I have to. And, it sounds like

[WISPA] Hotels for ISPCON

2007-04-23 Thread Peter R.
ISPCON on May 23-25 is at the Rosen Centre Hotel (@ 9840 International Dr) Nearby is the Rosen Plaza Hotel @ 9700 International Dr Both have openings as of right now on Kayak.com between $126 and $133 per night. Comfort Inn, Best Western and Quality Inn are $59-$69 per night. (The only Comfort

[WISPA] Switch that will surrive outdoors

2007-04-23 Thread Andrew Niemantsverdriet
I am in need of a switch that can live outdoors in an enclosure. It needs to be small (5 ports) and cheap as the customer dose not want to any more that he has to. It also needs to surrive the hot and cold temps that it will experiance. Any reccomendations? -- WISPA Wireless List:

Re: [WISPA] Switch that will surrive outdoors

2007-04-23 Thread Travis Johnson
Netgear 5 port. I've had several in boxes for 2-3 years with temps from -30F to 100F. Travis Microserv Andrew Niemantsverdriet wrote: I am in need of a switch that can live outdoors in an enclosure. It needs to be small (5 ports) and cheap as the customer dose not want to any more that he has

Re: [WISPA] Switch that will surrive outdoors

2007-04-23 Thread Andrew Niemantsverdriet
Model Number?? On 4/23/07, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Netgear 5 port. I've had several in boxes for 2-3 years with temps from -30F to 100F. Travis Microserv Andrew Niemantsverdriet wrote: I am in need of a switch that can live outdoors in an enclosure. It needs to be small (5

Re: [WISPA] Switch that will surrive outdoors

2007-04-23 Thread dave
I am in need of a switch that can live outdoors in an enclosure. It needs to be small (5 ports) and cheap as the customer dose not want to any more that he has to. It also needs to surrive the hot and cold temps that it will experiance. Any reccomendations? Most of our towers are running on

Re: [WISPA] Switch that will surrive outdoors

2007-04-23 Thread Travis Johnson
FS105 Andrew Niemantsverdriet wrote: Model Number?? On 4/23/07, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Netgear 5 port. I've had several in boxes for 2-3 years with temps from -30F to 100F. Travis Microserv Andrew Niemantsverdriet wrote: I am in need of a switch that can live outdoors in

Re: [WISPA] Switch that will surrive outdoors

2007-04-23 Thread Andrew Niemantsverdriet
Thanks Travis and David, Those look like they will do the trick and at $13 +shipping can't beat the price! On 4/23/07, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FS105 Andrew Niemantsverdriet wrote: Model Number?? On 4/23/07, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Netgear 5 port. I've had

RE: [WISPA] Switch that will surrive outdoors

2007-04-23 Thread Cliff Leboeuf
Spray paint orange. Hide the box and packaging and charge $230! Don't give away trade secrets. :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Niemantsverdriet Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 4:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA]

Re: [WISPA] Switch that will surrive outdoors

2007-04-23 Thread Blair Davis
I've been using these outdoors since 2001. Only failure I've had has been due to lightning. Travis Johnson wrote: FS105 Andrew Niemantsverdriet wrote: Model Number?? On 4/23/07, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Netgear 5 port. I've had several in boxes for 2-3 years with temps from

Re: [WISPA] Switch that will surrive outdoors

2007-04-23 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
I'm trying out the newer linksys gigE switches. I've lost a LOT of netgear switches over the years. Usually the metal case ones but not always. I don't think there's a good cheaper one out there anymore. They've gone REALLY cheap. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)

Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition

2007-04-23 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
OK, I'm in a pissy mood today so don't anyone take this too personally. WISPA HAS taken up the fight against the FCC when it makes sense to do so. I've been back to DC a couple of times per year since 2001 or so. Recently I've gotten teams from WISPA into the FCC to talk to folks about all

Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition

2007-04-23 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
- Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition OK, I'm in a pissy mood today so don't anyone take

Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition

2007-04-23 Thread Blair Davis
Mark said it better than I can. The only thing I would add it this.. Some have mentioned getting some 'goodwill' from the gov. for doing this Get real. There is no such thing. Mark Koskenmaki wrote: - Original Message - From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" [EMAIL

RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik's (lame) answer to CALEA as of 4/23

2007-04-23 Thread Smith, Rick
You're reading too much into it. They're right. The ability is there to mirror every packet to/from a IP address onto disk. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 12:23 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE:

Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition

2007-04-23 Thread David E. Smith
Mark Koskenmaki wrote: Law? Hell, no. It's the FCC's wishes. And we're discussing how stupid the whole damn thing is as well. And here you are defending it. You wonder why I'm in a pissy mood??? It's indirectly a law - the FCC is granted broad powers under current law to request things

Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition

2007-04-23 Thread George Rogato
David E. Smith wrote: Mark Koskenmaki wrote: You pay some property taxes, you get to use all those roads they built. . It's all trade-offs. Basic freshman-year-of-college economics. I just wanted to point out an error you just made mark, you said : The government doesn't give you

Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition

2007-04-23 Thread Ryan Langseth
On Mon, 2007-04-23 at 21:19 -0700, George Rogato wrote: David E. Smith wrote: Mark Koskenmaki wrote: You pay some property taxes, you get to use all those roads they built. . It's all trade-offs. Basic freshman-year-of-college economics. I just wanted to point out an error you

RE: [WISPA] Switch that will surrive outdoors

2007-04-23 Thread Gino Villarini
Mikrotik Routerboard ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Niemantsverdriet Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 5:01 PM To:

Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition

2007-04-23 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
- Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition Mark Koskenmaki wrote: Law? Hell, no. It's the FCC's wishes. And

Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition

2007-04-23 Thread George Rogato
you don't give them stuff for free Yes we do. Care to quantify this statement? Sure, the government has never paid me to give them taxes. George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:

Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition

2007-04-23 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
Whoa... I think someone's goofed slightly here. I said i don't owe them my services, skills, etc, for free. David said that we don't get stuff given to them, and we should not be giving them things for free.However, I think his point was that he's viewing the mandates on us as payment for

Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition

2007-04-23 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
Heh... Is this an argument that taxes are a violation of the 5th Amendment? Especially the part that says ...nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation. ? That's where I derive my idea that we do not owe them any services or spending money to provide services

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik's (lame) answer to CALEA as of 4/23

2007-04-23 Thread Jeromie Reeves
But does that meet CALEA specs? Not really, since it does not do the MD5 hash and such. At least that is what I get from reading about CALEA. Basically if a TTP doesn't sign off on it you might be at the wrong end of a investigation when the lawyers start saying it was not captured correctly. You

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik's (lame) answer to CALEA as of 4/23

2007-04-23 Thread Clint Ricker
You also might be on the wrong end of CALEA if a TTP does sign off on it. Use of a TTP does not provide any legal cover, btw--in the end, the service provider, not the TTP, is responsible--read the official statements and legalese on the matter. Still, for all the scare tactics getting thrown