If memory serves, the Resistance is futile; you will be assimilated threat
was first uttered by one of the Borg, those galaxy hopping cyber-locusts
introduced in one of the Star Trek TV series. It became poignant and
memorable when Captain Picard (I can't remember the actor's name but I think
it
So I guess once a unique connector gets a shelf spot in the local radio
shack your radio certification is void and requires a new unique
connector to be developed followed by a trip back to the certification
lab. I just love the FCC sometimes. I guess the FCC could outlaw the
sale of certain
There will be a WISPA reception at ISPCON on Wednesday May 23rd at 6:30
to 8:30 pm. I hope to see many of you there. We will have free drinks
and appetizers thanks to Secure Email Plus (Frank Muto) and BearHill
Security (Tim Kery). These Vendor Members put up the money for the
reception.
We're looking to provide service to a school nearby, using Mikrotik and
SR5 / SR9 cards.
Anyone have proposals to a school with info in it addressing the issue
of will you fry our children ?
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The first thing I'd do in a case like that, is use an FCC approved system to
start with. The fact that you don't plan to leaves you open for controversy
from the beginning.
Why would you do anything else?
Ralph
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Rick,
I have to agree with Ralph on this one. Since you have admitted on a
public list that you believe there are no certified Mikrotik systems out
there it would not be in your best interest to start off with such a system.
Regards,
Dawn DiPietro
ralph wrote:
The first thing I'd do in a
Who makes that?
How does it work?
Is it expensive?
Mike Bushard, Jr wrote:
We are using VantagePoint.
Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
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I plan to use an FCC Certified solution. That's not the issue. The
issue is, is standard documentation from Ubiquiti good enough as to
radio strengths, etc for the documentation to prove it's not harmful
?
isn't there a standard FCC document that states all this ?
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...yet.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 9:12 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?
Rick,
I have to agree with Ralph on this one. Since you have admitted
How about the fact that 1000 other schools around the country are using
it? :)
Travis
Microserv
Smith, Rick wrote:
I plan to use an FCC Certified solution. That's not the issue. The
issue is, is standard documentation from Ubiquiti good enough as to
radio strengths, etc for the
If you cannot Google it out of the FCC website then I would make a call
to a telecom attorney and ask for the legal docs from the FCC that state
what emissions are considered to be legal for good health. There should
be docs on this some place on the FCC website. You could show the docs
along
Smith, Rick wrote:
I plan to use an FCC Certified solution. That's not the issue. The
issue is, is standard documentation from Ubiquiti good enough as to
radio strengths, etc for the documentation to prove it's not harmful
?
isn't there a standard FCC document that states all this ?
No
Trango's mesh box uses rb532 plus daughter bd and mikrotik OS. It's in thier
manual.
Frank
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From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 5:12 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?
Rick,
It is clearly a logical quandary to prove a negative and it is known by
those who have other agendas as a technique to inject fear, uncertainty, and
doubt.
Non-ionizing electromagnetic radiation has the death word, radiation,
and easily causes fear due to the lack of response to the request to
ATLANTA - EarthLink Inc. said Thursday it will study the performance of
its municipal wireless Internet networks in four cities — Philadelphia,
New Orleans and California's Anaheim and Milpitas — before deciding how
to move forward with similar Wi-Fi networks elsewhere.
I would suggest going there with some pretty pictures. You can tell
anyone anything, and they may say they understand, But as House says
people lie. Go there with some graphs of Spectrum Analysis of things
like a AP at 25' versus a Microwave at 25'. Ask the parents how many of
their kids care
Probably gets anonymously injected into the media by the cell companies
trying to make muni-Wifi a worse alternative to paying $59 a month for
mobile data service...
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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, April
On 4/26/07, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My personal concern would be turning over my IP block to my competition.
They would have to have enough control to allow BGP routes from their
upstream. Technically they could misconfigure a router accidentally and
take your entire network
John,
You're being sarcastic here, right?
I'd be really surprised to hear that any certification ever was voided
because a connector became more available.
I'm starting to feel sorry for the poor, old FCC. First off, certain
business elements want to eliminate them. Second, certain
This report is almost a year old.. anything more recent?
On 4/26/07, Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.crblaw.com/news/201369_1kc-5-18-06.pdf
(forwarded from Bearhill)
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Mark/WISPA- Thank you for the link. My team recently
deployed a MuniWIFi network but also installed a mesh
system that enabled utility and muni services in
addition to normal WiFi. The utility/muni services
are offered via the mesh box that has 4 radios. We
offered the normal WiFi on the 2.4Ghz
This is not correct. Let's do an example:
WISP-A is getting bandwidth from Provider A. They have a /20 network.
Provider A has to allow that /20 in their BGP filters.
WISP-B is getting bandwidth from Provider B. They have a /20 network.
Provider B has to allow that /20 in their BGP fitlers.
That's where peering agreements come into play.
Last case scenario you (WISP-A) just want to drop peering entirely but
WISP-B doesn't stop advertising your route, then call up whoever their
upstream is and talk to their NOC. If the /20 is your allocation from
ARIN, and you aren't peering
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From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Modifications of Parts 2 and 15 of the...
John,
You're being sarcastic here, right?
I'd be really surprised to hear that any
You make it sound like that can happen in a matter of minutes or even
seconds. Not likely the case. All the while your clients are getting hosed
due to the negligence of another.
Best,
Brad
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Behalf Of Adam
Frank,
Then I would suggest Rick go the Trango route.
Regards,
Dawn DiPietro
Frank Crawford wrote:
Trango's mesh box uses rb532 plus daughter bd and mikrotik OS. It's in thier
manual.
Frank
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Yes... but this process takes 10-20 minutes or more. Our backbone (which
also serves customers via redundant fiber lines) can't be down for that
long or we have VERY upset customers requesting credits, refunds, etc.
Travis
Microserv
Adam Kennedy wrote:
That's where peering agreements come
anyone have the FCC Cert# for the Trango Mesh ? I might just do that.
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Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 3:21 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?
Frank,
Jory,
One thing you'll learn if you haven't allready is that although this is a
world of fiece competitors, but even the fireces of competitors will partner
with their other competitors, if there is a mutual benefit and no risk. The
problem when most ISPs attempt to work togeather is that one
Take note that there is no need to use BGP to do peering.
If the goal is to just peer to have an optimal single path to the other's
network.
It can be done with a Static Route on each side. (of course would use
something liek OSPF to re-route it through your network, depending where the
peer
It could also be argued that the direction of the traffic may not matter
relating to fees, when it is all primarilly local traffic.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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From: Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General
If the mesh box that is a MT box is legit and certified, why not just
drop trango from the picture?
What is the purpose of trango ?
Dawn DiPietro wrote:
Frank,
Then I would suggest Rick go the Trango route.
Regards,
Dawn DiPietro
Frank Crawford wrote:
Trango's mesh box uses rb532 plus
The Trango MESH box uses Trango radios (thus FCC certified) and an RB532
for doing the routing. The RB is NOT providing any wireless service.
Travis
Microserv
George Rogato wrote:
If the mesh box that is a MT box is legit and certified, why not just
drop trango from the picture?
What is the
Travis Johnson wrote:
The Trango MESH box uses Trango radios (thus FCC certified) and an RB532
for doing the routing. The RB is NOT providing any wireless service.
Travis
Microserv
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That could also happen anywhere on the net, though.
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From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 12:24 PM
Subject: Re:
Yes, but my upstreams are people like ATT, Qwest, Level3, etc. and I am
dealing with trained and experienced engineers (especially once you
mention BGP). Yes, mistakes happen all the time... but _intentional_
errors to cause outages could be a different thing.
Travis
Microserv
Mike Hammett
Edward I think you got lost, or I was clear as mud, par normal.
That would be Patrick Stewart as Locutus, in the two part ep named Wolf 359
I meant I had no memory of Mr Henry saying the words that started the
thread. As in my
first reply to George, I had a end sarcasm, indicating I knew well
196 page decision
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-07-72A1.pdf
SERVICE RULES FOR THE 698-746, 747-762, AND 777-792 MHZ BANDS, ET. AL.
The Commission adopted rules governing wireless licenses in the 698-806
MHz spectrum band, commonly referred to as the 700 MHz Band. (Dkt
I hate to say it, but it looks like the FCC is going to squander massive
opportunity, and instead, settle for some money...
(sigh).
This nationwide broadband network for public safety is absurd.
Yet another means of communication that won't be around when it's needed,
because it'll be down or
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Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 700 MHz decision at FCC
I hate to say it, but it looks like the FCC is going to squander massive
opportunity, and instead,
Getting the data for the LEA is just one part of compliance. What about
the more practical issues?
CALEA requires:
Establishment of policies and procedures for supervision and control of
officers and employees
Designating a 24/7/265 POC for the LEA
Validating legal authorization for the ELSUR
Justin... I am aware of the problems revolving around the inability to talk
to each other via voice radio. I would tend to agree that frequency
coordination seems to be a terrible issue. The cited reasons for this
was the 9-11 problems with coordination of emergency services, and NO
hurricane
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From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 4:03 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Re: CALEA
Getting the data for the LEA is just one part of compliance. What about
the more practical issues?
...well, first of all, the obsession with full duplex via a non-failsafe
centralized system was a substantial part of the blame. The same-service
radios in the Katrina debacle couldn't talk to each other except through the
full-duxer...which, of course, drowned.
. . . J o n a t h a n
O ... Interesting. I had always wondered exactly why mobile units
were isolated.
Now I know. Perhaps the fancy technology is a hindrance, rather than a
help.
Plain old PTT half duplex would work wonders, it seems.
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Indeed.
But, of course, as a 2X QCWA observer, it has been noted that
it has been a hard fight to get attention for reliability over
snazzy function.
Somewhere, a balance may be indicated.
Snazzy is, of course, helpful. It can save lives.
Reliablity is, of course, paramount. It, also,
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From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISP Peering
Why wouldn't you just put up your own AP's and service the same area
rather than give that customer away to
Grin
It's certainly a fuzzy one. A unique connector was defined a few years
back. As I recall, It's one that's not commonly available to the average
consumer. It's one of the reasons that the old Orinoco cards had those
goofy connectors on them. They had to come up with something that
Travis, and all.
If this were in MY area YOU could service that customer! How cool is that.
I'm tellin ya, if you want a cell phone type value (or something at least
better than the average isp) we have to find a way to build national
coverage. And that means cooperation with other wisps.
Thanks guys! Way to go!
marlon
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From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 5:26 AM
Subject: [WISPA] ISPCON WISPA Reception
There will be a WISPA reception at ISPCON on Wednesday May 23rd at 6:30 to
8:30 pm. I hope
Well, I seem to be holding my own ground pretty well... and I DON'T turn
customers over to my competition... over 65 towers in operation, over
3,000 wireless subs, hundreds of DSL subs, almost 50 fiber subs (banks,
hospitals, insurance, etc.)... and NO outside investors, stock holders,
or any
Travis;
The router board also connects to a MiniPCI CM9 wireless board that
functions as a WiFi Access Point.
Page 5, Section 2, Paragraph 1 of trango's mesh manual, the trango atlas
radios are for backhaul.
hope this helps
frank
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From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL
Good point. They must have gotten FCC approval as a complete system
over a year ago.
Travis
Microserv
Frank Crawford wrote:
Travis;
"The router board also connects to a MiniPCI CM9 wireless board that
functions as a WiFi Access Point."
Page 5, Section 2, Paragraph 1 of trango's mesh
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ISPCON Spring 2007
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From: Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ug.
Won't be reading THAT one anytime soon!
marlon
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From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 3:00 PM
Subject: [WISPA] 700 MHz decision at FCC
196 page decision
I have to come to Marlon's defense a bit here.The idaho falls /
pocatello area has DRAMATICALLY more people than the central washington
wasteland Marlon serves.
You serve the populated areas of Bonneville, Bingham and Bannock Counties,
if I estimate your coverage. This approaches a quarter
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