And who is the NDA with?
On 5/16/07, Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What part of the CALEA stuff requires an NDA?
Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
Law enforcement stuff.
Google hasn't signed the needed NDA so we can't host the docs
LOL, glad to know the big guy is human too! :-)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 1:36 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Waltonville Ethernet Run
John Scrivner wrote:
We need to
Frank - Muto had a very valid reason to whin as you say it. Muto pays
WISPA a good amount of $$ to be a Vendor Member of WISPA. Dee has
contributed nothing other then for his own personal gain.
For Dee to make an appology and then change his signature to reflect another
free plug was a bit
I think Dee's input was greatly relevant to the thread. It wasn't a random
post.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Frank Muto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007
I think some kind of moderation action is needed here! Any suggestions? :)
Rick Harnish
President
OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc.
260-827-2482
Founding Member of WISPA
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
Sent:
I agree Harnish, but severity will all depend if Ron can actually make an
ethernet cable that will fit through the pass through in the box at the base
of the tower!
Mac
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rick Harnish
Sent:
Sorry guys. Long day. Bad case of sleep-typing I am afraid.
:-)
Scriv
Rick Harnish wrote:
I think some kind of moderation action is needed here! Any suggestions? :)
Rick Harnish
President
OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc.
260-827-2482
Founding Member of WISPA
-Original
Mike does have a point here, I am a subscriber of the list, and I have
pondered this as well, I have seen direct promotion and links in plenty of
signatures, I don't think the link to their site is bad, you can determine
the site of most posters by their address, some you can't because they use a
I have seen a demo of this product and think it might work the way you are
talking..
http://www.trusteli.com/business/isp.php
Zack
On 5/15/07, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is there any device on the market that would monitor that would sit
between my network and my internet feed
I won't be there, to many damn installs to little time and to think
there was when I thought I would be thankful for this. :-)
Oh well no party for me. But we are working on a solution.
You have a Good Day now,
Carl A Jeptha
http://www.airnet.ca
Office Phone: 905 349-2084
Office Hours:
You are right Johnny, I was not trying to be harsh, but I right to the
point.
As a member of the WISPA Board of Directors, you all should know that
if you are a paying WISPA member I'm going to cover your back and give
you as much benefit as possible.
Membership has privilege. If you are a
Zack Kneisley wrote:
I don't feel that ANY promotion of products or services in a signature of
this particular list should be allowed unless you pay for it.
That gets into the incredibly fuzzy question of what counts as
promotion, though.
Let's take the email thread, as an example.
If I'm
Our mail server is problem free. Keith at Talon built it for us.
For spam and virus' we use Postini.
I'm also looking at BOSS. http://intrameta.com/ Very close to the WNoc
system I was involved in years ago. I've been talking to them for quite a
while, I'm pretty impressed.
Marlon
(509)
Ross, you need to come up here and use my AR-15 to do the shooting
Much more fun to blow 30 small holes though the POS in a few seconds than a
few big ones in a couple of minutes! big grin
Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)
I received a SPAM e-mail for a company that offers mass e-mailing
http://pws.prserv.net/describe/RFQsales.html
I traced the domain back to ATT Global Services., abuse is back to ATT also.
So is ATT Global Service the SPAMMER?
Anyone know anything about this company?
Just what we need
On Thu, 17 May 2007, Zack Kneisley wrote:
I don't feel that ANY promotion of products or services in a
signature of this particular list should be allowed unless you pay
Not sure I'd go that far. I think email sigs are acceptable,
regardless of the content or poster. I can tell you that I
I think the big problem here is that Dee almost never posts unless he's got
something to sell folks.
Naturally, people have to be able to talk about what they know. And when a
person is selling a product he'd better know that better than anyone else
eh? grin
WISPA needs funds to
This wouldn't be the first time that ATT has been caught involved in SPAM.
Anyone else remember the Blue Contracts?
Big companies are all about the money first. Doing what's right second.
Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)
LOL
I'll get right on that John!
hehehehehe
Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999!
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
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I think that the standard e-mail signature should be allowed for any
member. It is the blaent advertising that should not be allowed.
Dennis
On 5/17/07, Zack Kneisley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I agree. That's what I was trying to get through as well, either
enforcement
of the rules or
Point well taken, I think I was trying to make the point that if Dee looked
as if he was blatantly advertising the product by putting that service in
their signature, then that *should* apply to everyone, don't you agree?
I don't have a problem one way or another, I just want the rules to apply
Hi All,
The CALEA committee is currently working on a number of possible CALEA
solutions for you guys. These won't be a WISPA standard but should do the
trick for you if you do get called upon before we can get a standard
written.
As I get these from the folks we're working with (all
Zack Kneisley wrote:
I don't have a problem one way or another, I just want the rules to
apply to
everyone equally. I don't mind being able to advertise in my signature
either.
I think that's the issue, though - where is the line between normal
harmless customary stuff and blatant
WISPA has responsibilities to the Vendor members? Yikes. Isn't
WISPA responsible to the Members and Industry first?
I've resisted joining as a Vendor because I disagree with the
commercial nature of it all. It is not the money, but rather the
principle. When WISPA was being formed, I
Just wondering, I saw a post where someone said that the GMAIL service has
the ability to show messages by the topic (subject), anyone wish to enlightn
me!
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www.mikrotikconsulting.com
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Has anyone used this before?
I normally use MT units everywhere, but I figured that I could save my
customers money when they want to repeat to other buildings of theirs.
Instead of setting up a 5 GHz AP with N-Streme and 5 GHz N-Streme clients, I'm
looking at moving to 802.11g for everything.
I'm just glad I'm not the one who has to decide what is and is not
appropriate.
That would be me! You don't want my job? Come on Butch, where is your
sense of spirit?
Rick Harnish
President
OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc.
260-827-2482
Founding Member of WISPA
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John Scrivner wrote:
Very good points George. Frank has definitely worked hard to show his
support of WISPA and deserves our gratitude for sure. Frank, we all
thank you for everything you have done and continue to do for WISPA. You
are a friend to our organization and we appreciate you very
Zack,
It is totallly impractical to create and have to (somehow) manage
different email files for different lists, responses to clients, etc.
One email file is the only practical way to go.
jack
Zack Kneisley wrote:
On 5/17/07, David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Zack Kneisley wrote:
See inline comments
Behalf Of Lonnie Nunweiler
WISPA has responsibilities to the Vendor members? Yikes. Isn't
WISPA responsible to the Members and Industry first?
[Mac says:]
We do have responsibilities to the paid vendors since their membership is a
major form of financial support
Jack,
Actually, that is exactly what I do, you will notice the gmail address? I
have a total of seven gmail addresses that I use. Some reply with a
signature, some don't. I also use Outlook that has 4 pop accounts that it
checks. Two accounts it checks send the same signature one that doesn't
Zack,
I salute you for your integrity and your ability to manage 11 email
accounts. I, on the other hand, in my waking hours between 6 AM and 2 AM
barely have the ability to keep up with email on a single Thunderbird
email account. For me, practicality wins the day and I'll continue to
try
(In response to Lonnie and Mac)
1) It takes money for an organization to do things.
Sometimes vendors put up that money so that their customer base thrives.
(Some times they do not).
2) It's always hard to get dues-paying members, especially when the most
value is the listserv.
(Again, it
Call me. 516 551 1131
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I think that WISPA does a great job policing its list.
It ain't easy -- and there are many shades of gray.
I for one think that you should have to pay 'something' to be involved
on the lists.
Either actually $ or advice points. (Many other forums use this method).
Or have a fine for crossing
I have a stack of High-Gain CPEs that don't work. Just a FYI. We also
waited a bit over a MONTH to get the first order.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 12:06 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject:
I was thinking it would look like newsgroups or something,g that has a
little plus that drills down the replies etc. I have it working the way you
have it. Still trying to get it to capture EVERYTHING from WISPA. .etc.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Any way to tell it to MOVE them into the lable, not just sit in the inbox?
On 5/17/07, Dennis Burgess - 2K Wireless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I was thinking it would look like newsgroups or something,g that has a
little plus that drills down the replies etc. I have it working the way
you
I would agree! Hear hear! :) I do get good ads from them too!
On 5/17/07, Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think that WISPA does a great job policing its list.
It ain't easy -- and there are many shades of gray.
I for one think that you should have to pay 'something' to be involved
on
Zack Kneisley wrote:
Jack,
Actually, that is exactly what I do, you will notice the gmail address? I
have a total of seven gmail addresses that I use. Some reply with a
signature, some don't. I also use Outlook that has 4 pop accounts that it
checks. Two accounts it checks send the same
What cheap CPE would you recommend, then?
802.11g, outdoor, integrated
Going 150' through a couple trees to the house from the shop. At the house
is a MT RB112 that is a 5 GHz CPE and planning on being an 802.11g AP with
an 8 dbi omni.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
They are a standard universal mount. My biggest gripe is the fact that
you have to order them Vertical vs Horizontal due to the ethernet
passthrough. I have had issues with them disconnecting from the tower
but they do have a watchdog feature which will reboot them when they do.
Sam
Did you call to RMA them? I do know that they had a batch that had bad
boards in them. I guess the board manufacturer changed something on the
board, but didn't notify them of the change.
Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless
Dennis Burgess - 2K Wireless wrote:
I have a stack of High-Gain CPEs
Another MT would be great, we constantly use TenX Radios from Jeffco SOHO,
250mw at 19db, for around 240 or so. Every feature needed is in it, DHCP,
NAT, BW Shaping, throttling, borrowed BW, B/G too.
Thats what we use as they work, and also helps that Jeffco is about 5 min
from my house! lol
Set the filter to Archive them as well as labelling them.
Mark
Dennis Burgess wrote:
Any way to tell it to MOVE them into the lable, not just sit in the
inbox?
On 5/17/07, Dennis Burgess - 2K Wireless [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I was thinking it would look like newsgroups or something,g
I'm going out on a limb and will voice some things that have been suppressed.
I get your point that you think I am a freeloader and do not
contribute. My problem for not joining is not a money one, but rather
one of principle.
I did get involved early on and saw that there was still an old
no, just clicking on the actual label text on the left, but I don't use the
label option much.
I love the archive button though. Gets alot of clutter out of the way.
Zack
On 5/17/07, Dennis Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Any way to tell it to MOVE them into the lable, not just sit in the
Yep, I understand. When I needed radios, and I had to wait a month to get
them, and when I called and they said thye would be here within a day or two
and they did not come, etc. I don't mind paying for the radios as right
now I am buy one, and its done.
On 5/17/07, Mike Hammett [EMAIL
The archive was nice. I like the lables, keeps everythign string. Wish
they had a little plus or something to see the thread without going into it.
On 5/17/07, Zack Kneisley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
no, just clicking on the actual label text on the left, but I don't use
the
label option
Lonnie Nunweiler wrote:
Your troubles with routing or bridging or
particular brand of equipment, although important to you at the time,
have very little to do with the Industry in general.
That is your opinion. Mine is that using this list for any tech support,
financial help, legal,
Lonnie,
I've been quiet through this whole thing, but I have to speak up here.
CALEA is a reality here, and I believe that something like it will soon be a
reality in Canada. Shouting at the Capitol building from outside the fence
may feel good, but it gets nothing accomplished. The FACT is
I am not saying that CALEA is not real and I actually agree that is
required, BUT, did the group have to agree with the rushed timing and
especially agree to meet a standard that was not even defined?
They could have argued for some prior consultation to make sure the
requirements were not a
The Ethernet spec is for a maximum cable run of 328ft. What is the the
spec limits it to this distance, timing, cable resistance? I need to do
an outdoor run of 350-400ft, not real keen on fiber as I then need to
power a converter and I have doubts of a converter that will with stand
the cold
the spec 328 is for 100meg, you can go considerably farther with 10meg, plus
I have 440 foot right next to AC power, without issues at 100meg. Quality
cable helps, shielded etc.
On 5/17/07, Erik Jansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The Ethernet spec is for a maximum cable run of 328ft. What is
Lonnie Nunweiler wrote:
My suspicion is you'll
get the support if you represent what people want. People vote with
their feet and pocketbooks. I've seen a lot of good people leave.
I've seen a lot of good people forced out because the GOB's could not
stand them. And I've seen a lot of good
Inline...
Matt Liotta wrote:
Lonnie Nunweiler wrote:
I am not saying that CALEA is not real and I actually agree that is
required, BUT, did the group have to agree with the rushed timing and
especially agree to meet a standard that was not even defined?
Specifically, CALEA does not require
Agreed.
Lonnie
On 5/17/07, Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Lonnie Nunweiler wrote:
I am not saying that CALEA is not real and I actually agree that is
required, BUT, did the group have to agree with the rushed timing and
especially agree to meet a standard that was not even defined?
You are comparing apples to grapes.
The telcos have an embedded base and have billions of dollars to force
their issues.
FYI, the original order was in August 2005. So people actually had over
1 year to get ready.
(timeline here: http://www.lasarletter.net/drupal/node/9)
Lonnie Nunweiler
Lonnie Nunweiler wrote:
I'm going out on a limb and will voice some things that have been
suppressed.
I get your point that you think I am a freeloader and do not
contribute. My problem for not joining is not a money one, but rather
one of principle.
I did get involved early on and saw
Thanks for the link Peter, that answers my earlier comment to Matt
concerning having 2 years to voice opinion.
Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless
Peter R. wrote:
You are comparing apples to grapes.
The telcos have an embedded base and have billions of dollars to force
their issues.
FYI,
Well, that should bring JohnnyO out of the woodwork! :-)
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lonnie Nunweiler
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 4:40 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What is WISPA? was Promotion of services on-list
One thing to remember is that the spec also specifies that two patch cords
may be used. A 90Meter Horizontal run, with 3M patch cord from the wall
jack to the work area, and a 6M patch cord in the wiring closet.
The extra two male plug/female jacks create an insertion loss of about 82ft,
Sam Tetherow wrote:
I don't want to drag this topic up again, BUT ;) Two years ago, did
this apply to ISPs or just VOIP providers? I don't remember anyone on
the lists talking about CALEA being for anything other than VOICE in
various forms, but maybe my memory is selective, wouldn't be the
Sam Tetherow wrote:
Thanks for the link Peter, that answers my earlier comment to Matt
concerning having 2 years to voice opinion.
I didn't mean we had 2 years. What I meant was that it was in 2005
(almost 2 years ago) that the CALEA requirement was issued.
-Matt
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Sam Tetherow wrote:
I don't want to drag this topic up again, BUT ;) Two years ago, did
this apply to ISPs or just VOIP providers? I don't remember anyone on
the lists talking about CALEA being for anything other than VOICE in
various forms, but maybe my memory is selective, wouldn't be the
the AM towers, the little farite ring or whatever it is, is worth its wait
in gold. We are about 300 feet from a AM tower, the power 1000 watts, was
enough for us to burn our fingers on the cat5 end without ether end plugged
in! And I do mean, you start to smell burning skin, not good!
Dennis
People were allowed a LOT of leeway in taking shots at Mark. It got
very personal, very quickly and I have no idea if people were
reprimanded or not. He was definitely excluded by attacks from a
select few who did not want any differing views.
Why does everything have to hit the fight or
We've had good luck with ferrite beads elsewhere. Not on this tower.
We had a tone/probe cable tester that when you would plug the probe into the
ethernet cable going up the tower, you could hear the radio station, on the
cable tester speaker.
Explain that one to me.
-Russ
-Original
Thanks Lonnie
My only goal for WISPA is to unite us all, divided we fail. Even if
I'm off base, I'm just one opinion.
George
Lonnie Nunweiler wrote:
You have shown your good nature many, many times George. Thanks for
the hard work and peace making. Are you sure you're not Canadian?
Stick your tounge on it, see what happens.
On 5/17/07, Russ Kreigh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We've had good luck with ferrite beads elsewhere. Not on this tower.
We had a tone/probe cable tester that when you would plug the probe into
the
ethernet cable going up the tower, you could hear the
Thanks for the feed back, It is a 340ft tower (no broadcasting!) with
about a 15 ft run to the shack, so all tolled I should com in at 375-385
or so with just the arrestors at top and bottom then in to the poe and
router. We always use a gell filled copper shielded cable and AMP jacks
for
- Original Message -
From: Lonnie Nunweiler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What is WISPA? was Promotion of services on-list
I am not saying that CALEA is not real and I actually agree that is
- Original Message -
From: Lonnie Nunweiler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Promotion of services on-list
WISPA has responsibilities to the Vendor members? Yikes. Isn't
WISPA responsible to the
Okay. So we have two parties here.
Those that are loud and boisterous.
And the lurkers and people who think WISPA has veered the wrong way.
Well, elections are June 15.
Your candidates are here: http://nominations.wispa.org/
Writing about what they see as the future.
Read it - and ask them
- Original Message -
From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Promotion of services on-list
Clint Ricker wrote:
Just making it known that blatant self-promotion by non-Vendor members
Anyone else running into problems with the newer CPQ radios and their
existing SB access points?
I'm seeing either total non functioning systems or intermittent problems.
The symptom is that the CPQ can't see the AP's ssid. Rebooting the AP
sometimes helps, temporarily.
This did NOT happen
Recently, I've had problems with CPQ's connecting to Atheros based Mesh
AP's. They work for a bit then stop communicating.
If I reset them to factory defaults and then reconfigure them, they
sometimes start working again.
Currently, I just move the units that stop talking to my Atheros
All right - here it is - I am done and this is all I will say!
Lonnie - how are you with all your resources helping the CALEA effort? Come
to think about it - how are you helping with getting your StarOS and
hardware FCC certified for the USA WISP? You are good to point a finger here
today, but
I guess I'll unsubscribe as well. Good bye.
Lonnie
On 5/17/07, Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
All right - here it is - I am done and this is all I will say!
Lonnie - how are you with all your resources helping the CALEA effort? Come
to think about it - how are you helping with getting
Who from here will be in Dayton Ohio this weekend?
(http://www.hamvention.org)
I would be interested in meeting face to face!
We are in Flea Market spots 3154 and 3155 and are running a free hotspot
with that in the ESSID.
Ralph
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Good Riddens !
*Singing* Oh Say Can you see... By the stars early light was so ...
JohnnyO
- Original Message -
From: Lonnie Nunweiler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What is WISPA? MORE
Is that the best you can come up with Lonnie? Hit and run? I think you owe
everyone that has ever bought a StarOS license an explanation as well as an
explanation for the hard time you have hammered WISPA leadership with in
dealing with CALEA. I have yet to figure that angle out, but I feel
JohnnyO wrote:
Good Riddens !
*Singing* Oh Say Can you see... By the stars early light was so
...
JohnnyO
Don't hate me because I am American. :)
ahem, dawn's early light ... ;)
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Lonnie Nunweiler wrote:
You have shown your good nature many, many times George. Thanks for
the hard work and peace making.
He is a good man.
Are you sure you're not Canadian?
Peace making is not something peculiar to Canadians. In fact that is what
American's do best. We make peace.
I want my cpe 200's back!!!
marlon
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From: Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] SB and Tranzeo compatibility
Recently, I've had problems with CPQ's connecting to Atheros
I will say this though - if you aren't a member, how do you have a say
in what the Org does?
Because the org is speaking on the behalf of all WISPS not just WISPA
members. If the org is speaking on the behalf of all WISPS then all WISPS
should be able to have some input on what is being taken
Chadd Thompson wrote:
I will say this though - if you aren't a member, how do you have a say
in what the Org does?
Because the org is speaking on the behalf of all WISPS not just WISPA
members. If the org is speaking on the behalf of all WISPS then all WISPS
should be able to have some
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