[WISPA] MT announces RB192 and RB333

2007-08-03 Thread Mike Hammett
To quote normis: Announcing RB333 and RB192, two new RouterBOARD products beginning to reach distributors at the end of next week! http://www.routerboard.com/pdf/rb192b.pdf http://www.routerboard.com/pdf/rb333b.pdf For now, limited availability only, ask for samples at our distributors.

RE: [WISPA] Tools for making LMR400 N connectors...

2007-08-03 Thread Ty Carter Lightwave Communications
Ryan: To make the connectors; I use four tools; 1 small Cresent wrench 1 box wrench 1 box cutter 1 small butane power soilder tip A whopping $3.00 woth of tools. I only use amphenol brand connectors. There is really no need to buy an expensive dipole solidering forceps; unless you will have

Re: [WISPA] Google: Wireless Internet - What to Sell?

2007-08-03 Thread Mike Hammett
I have only had one customer (that I can think of now) balk at the install cost, but he has a referral credit because he has since referred two others to the service. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Blair Davis

[WISPA] WISP listings

2007-08-03 Thread Mike Hammett
I am listed with Part-15 and Broadband Reports. What other directories are out there? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] MT announces RB192 and RB333

2007-08-03 Thread Travis Johnson
Am I correct in reading that both of these new boards will require v3 of the OS? I have yet to see a stable, production worthy v3 release. :( Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: To quote normis: Announcing RB333 and RB192, two new RouterBOARD products beginning to reach distributors at the

Re: [WISPA] Ohio State-wide broadband network

2007-08-03 Thread Zack Kneisley
I have lived in Ohio all my life and I believe I know of most of all of the longhaul fiber that exists between cities. I'm sure there are some networks I don't know about, but there has been a lot of money poured into a few unlicensed wireless links that I have been involved with for a particular

Re: [WISPA] MT announces RB192 and RB333

2007-08-03 Thread David E. Smith
Travis Johnson wrote: Am I correct in reading that both of these new boards will require v3 of the OS? I have yet to see a stable, production worthy v3 release. :( The 192 (I don't think I've ever needed nine Ethernet ports on one board) is a MIPS chip, the same as the Routerboard 500s, so in

Re: [WISPA] Google: Wireless Internet - What to Sell?

2007-08-03 Thread Jeromie Reeves
None taken. Our markets and delivered services are likely very different. Currently we do not profit that much (3 digits) from our users so its hard to pay that much. As others stated it would have to be for installed users only, not just the lead. Also, what about people who come to us and turn

Re: [WISPA] WISP listings

2007-08-03 Thread Steve Stroh
Mike: As soon as you are actually providing Broadband Wireless Internet Access service, I'd be happy to list you at http://www.bwiaserviceproviders.com. Same offer to all other Broadband Wireless Internet Access Service Providers on this list. You don't have to be a member of WISPA (or

RE: [WISPA] Google: Wireless Internet - What to Sell?

2007-08-03 Thread Don Renner
We would be willing to pay bounty for clients. Would prefer to not do residual, is too much paperwork. Don Renner NetsurfUSA, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zack Kneisley Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 10:48 AM To: WISPA General

Re: [WISPA] Google: Wireless Internet - What to Sell?

2007-08-03 Thread Zack Kneisley
Robert I would be willing to pay a bounty, Top rank on the Google search results is impressive. I'm sure that many other independent WISP's would be happy to pay a bounty as long as it generated customers and was a fair price. Personally (no offense Marlon or Jeromie) I would even be willing to

Re: [WISPA] Google: Wireless Internet - What to Sell?

2007-08-03 Thread Mike Hammett
Are WISPs going to lose their renegade attitude and attempt to bond together to take advantage of situations like this? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] Fw: Update on T1 Mobile Wireless Service

2007-08-03 Thread Jory Privett
I actually got a call from these guys. The marketing company is about 30 minutes away so Ia sked if I could stop by there office some time. They said sure and gave me an address. Seems their office is located at a residence. The funny thing about it is that this marketing company jsut

Re: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link Pacwireless

2007-08-03 Thread Haudy Kazemi
You might also look at a proprietary PoE solution, or maybe regular 48v PoE with a DC-DC (48v to 12v) convertor on the end. You could also look a solar. FWIW, there is a 60 watt injector available (Mfg Part #: TR60A-POE-L) :

Re: [WISPA] Google: Wireless Internet - What to Sell?

2007-08-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
$10 per month on a $30 to $40 per month account? It is to laugh! hehehehe One time fee. If you want a recuring fee I could go for that. It'll be in the $.25 to $.5 range though. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)

Re: [WISPA] Google: Wireless Internet - What to Sell?

2007-08-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
I don't think it's bad to use us as a sounding board. If he comes back and tries to sell something here that's bad. I see no problem with asking people about products and services they'd like though. That's what this list is here for. As for prequal, I'm not worried about that. Even bad

Re: [WISPA] Google: Wireless Internet - What to Sell?

2007-08-03 Thread Blair Davis
I'd pay for completed installs. But not just leads. Way too many people balk at the install cost or the antenna on the house. And a one time payment. Way too much paperwork for a recurring payment. Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor wrote: Team, Marlon, et al, Need your help to get to

Re: [WISPA] Google: Wireless Internet - What to Sell?

2007-08-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
We don't pay our referral until the new customer has paid at least one month's billing. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless

Re: [WISPA] Google: Wireless Internet - What to Sell?

2007-08-03 Thread Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor
Marlon, Jerome, so are we talking $5-10 per customer or $5-10 per month commission payout as long as the customer pays? On 8/2/07, Jeromie Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I to would be interested in such a referral program. Spot checking is a great idea and could worked right into the

Re: [WISPA] Google: Wireless Internet - What to Sell?

2007-08-03 Thread Travis Johnson
One of my competitors is paying $10/month commission to anyone that signs up customers for him. His packages start at $24.95/month for up to 1.5meg and $34.95/month for 4meg down/1meg up. He is using Canopy, with a free install. I wonder how long this one will last... in the past 10 years, we

Re: [WISPA] Ohio State-wide broadband network

2007-08-03 Thread Dave Hannum
Well, like I said, they intend to put a POP in each county. Dave On 8/3/07, Zack Kneisley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am familiar with this network. Trying to expand, and making it available are still the 2 things that have not happened. Also, in my neck of the woods, it is still 40 miles

[WISPA] fcc committee survey

2007-08-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Hi All, The FCC Committee would like to know your top few issues (3 to 5) that you'd like us to PROACTIVELY work on. Things, mainly, that you'd like us to try to create movement on. Examples might be: Certified components vs. certified systems. Drop the 6' antenna requirement for 6 gig.

Re: [WISPA] Google: Wireless Internet - What to Sell?

2007-08-03 Thread John Scrivner
I would never pay recurring commissions. I do not know if I would pay for a lead from a Google map system unless it was pre-qualified as being someone who really does want the service. Sometimes people just browse to see what's out there. I really do wish people such as yourself would join us

Re: [WISPA] Google: Wireless Internet - What to Sell?

2007-08-03 Thread Jeromie Reeves
For me, I see it as I will do the qualifying (I can pretty much hit anyone in the area) one I know they are there. I hope they do join and this helps all wisps, but I also hope its available to non members. The main concern I have is that Verizon just build out EVDO in my area, where as it was not

Re: [WISPA] Google: Wireless Internet - What to Sell?

2007-08-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
With our current program if you are a customer and send me a new customer you get a free month ($35 to $40 value). Up to 12 per year. If you send me more people that that I'll just hire you as a sales person! grin If you aren't a customer and send a customer my way (it happens) then you

Re: [WISPA] Ohio State-wide broadband network

2007-08-03 Thread Dave Hannum
Zack, The Ohio Super Computer Center has OSCNet - a network of fiber optic cable around the state. They are trying to expand this program to put a fiber drop in each county that will be available to both public and private last milers. This thing has an enormous capacity - all but a hand full

Re: [WISPA] Google: Wireless Internet - What to Sell?

2007-08-03 Thread Jeromie Reeves
For me, it depends on the account of the person doing the referral. Relays get a monthly per connected user, till their service is free, after that they get nothing. Plain referrals get a one time credit. Both are done as credits in the next billing cycle. The main issue I see is how to handle

Re: [WISPA] Tools for making LMR400 N connectors...

2007-08-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Oh man. The right tools makes this soo easy! Call Mark B at ec. 800.525.0173 (also cc'd on this message) Here's what you want. Propane torch Toenail clippers. Scissors type. LMR 400 stripper Deburring tool Razor knife LMR 400 crimper (don't need the fancy one that'll do LMR 600 or

Re: [WISPA] Tools for making LMR400 N connectors...

2007-08-03 Thread Ron Wallace
Check out Electro-Comm (800) 525-0173, Times EZ Connectors and a LMR400 Crimp tool. -Original Message- From: D. Ryan Spott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 3, 2007 12:23 AM To: ''WISPA General List'' Subject: [WISPA] Tools for making LMR400 N connectors... I am looking for

Re: [WISPA] WISP listings

2007-08-03 Thread Mike Hammett
I am. Have been for a year. ;-) Getting ready to add a second tower, redundant upstream, new marketing campaigns, etc. Will respond offlist. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Steve Stroh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

RE: [WISPA] Fw: Update on T1 Mobile Wireless Service

2007-08-03 Thread Dustin Jurman
Had a group down here in Sarasota making similar claims. All BS. You can put lipstick on a turd and it's still a turd. People want to believe, they were in a small town north of here and convinced about 10 people to write them each 25,000 checks. The next day one of our old employees got

Re: [WISPA] Tools for making LMR400 N connectors...

2007-08-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
I used to do them that way. Takes wa too long. At least get the right stripper. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless

Re: [WISPA] MT announces RB192 and RB333

2007-08-03 Thread Mike Hammett
The 192 appears to be the same platform as all other 100 series. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 10:58 AM

Re: [WISPA] WISP listings

2007-08-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Hi Steve, Can I get you to add accima.com? It's got our coverage map on it. thanks! Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless

Re: [WISPA] Ohio State-wide broadband network

2007-08-03 Thread Zack Kneisley
I am familiar with this network. Trying to expand, and making it available are still the 2 things that have not happened. Also, in my neck of the woods, it is still 40 miles to the nearest POP. The terrain that is between myself and that pop would take multiple wireless hops. I once did a wireless

Re: [WISPA] Tools for making LMR400 N connectors...

2007-08-03 Thread D. Ryan Spott
This is the reason I paid my dues to WISPA! Info like this is GOLD! ryan On Aug 3, 2007, at 10:21 AM, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Oh man. The right tools makes this soo easy! Call Mark B at ec. 800.525.0173 (also cc'd on this message) Here's what you want. Propane

Re: [WISPA] Google: Wireless Internet - What to Sell?

2007-08-03 Thread John Scrivner
Ask a potential buyer of your company what they think about long term residual payouts to outside parties. If you pay out it better be for a one time fee in my opinion. Scriv Zack Kneisley wrote: Robert I would be willing to pay a bounty, Top rank on the Google search results is impressive.

Re: [WISPA] Tools for making LMR400 N connectors...

2007-08-03 Thread George Rogato
One advice of caution, buy the stripper crimper from the same place that sells the connectors. Not all connectors are the same. for the record, I use electro com and buy my tools from them as well as the times ez's for 5 gig and 2 gig and the cheaper crimp /crimp aluminum connectors for 2

RE: [WISPA] MT announces RB192 and RB333

2007-08-03 Thread Doug Ratcliffe
Did I notice on both of those boards, an FCC compliance and CE logo? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 12:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT announces RB192 and RB333 The 192

Re: [WISPA] Google: Wireless Internet - What to Sell?

2007-08-03 Thread John Scrivner
So I guess his business research that we are all helping him to acquire is not worth anything? I guess I see WISPA as being worth more than some here do. I have personally spent $1250.00 in WISPA direct dues payments (for yearly Principal Membership dues and $1000 for 700 MHz Committee dues)

Re: [WISPA] fcc committee survey

2007-08-03 Thread Blair Davis
#1 Certified Components!!! Being able to mix-n-match parts to make it work HERE is my biggest issue! Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hi All, The FCC Committee would like to know your top few issues (3 to 5) that you'd like us to PROACTIVELY work on. Things, mainly, that you'd like

RE: [WISPA] fcc committee survey

2007-08-03 Thread Larry Yunker
For what is worth, I believe that the USF ALREADY includes broadband services. My understanding is that in order to qualify for USF funding for your broadband services, you must also be conducting business as a ILEC or CLEC in that service area. In other words, telephone companies that service

Re: [WISPA] Google: Wireless Internet - What to Sell?

2007-08-03 Thread Zack Kneisley
Scriv, I can see where you are coming from, but is this not an open list? I think that denying a person advice based on their business structure is a bit rude. I'm not sure how this would come across to Robert, but I know how it would come across to me. Business research is done everyday by doing

Re: [WISPA] fcc committee survey

2007-08-03 Thread Mike Hammett
Amen - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] fcc committee survey #1 Certified

Re: [WISPA] fcc committee survey

2007-08-03 Thread Jeromie Reeves
I was going to offlist this, but, I might as well put my foot where my mouth is. In my opinion the top things I want addressed would be: I would like to see a WISP License like a Ham License. Its very simple in idea but I think it would truly change the industry. Any one wanting to be a wisp

Re: [WISPA] MT announces RB192 and RB333

2007-08-03 Thread Mike Hammett
I see them. Not sure if they have the papers to back that up. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Doug Ratcliffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 1:21 PM

Re: [WISPA] fcc committee survey

2007-08-03 Thread Mike Hammett
I hate it when someone says me too, but...me too. ;-) A lot of the things the FCC has are just silly... like PC with wireless vs. our stuff. Why a HAM can take a test any joke can pass and then manufacture gear himself, but we cannot use piece-it-together gear. I don't care so much

Re: [WISPA] Ohio State-wide broadband network

2007-08-03 Thread Zack Kneisley
That WOULD be awesome Thanks for the reference. Zack On 8/3/07, Dave Hannum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, like I said, they intend to put a POP in each county. Dave On 8/3/07, Zack Kneisley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am familiar with this network. Trying to expand, and making it

Re: [WISPA] MT announces RB192 and RB333

2007-08-03 Thread Travis Johnson
And even if they do, that doesn't make a complete radio system FCC compliant... only their board. Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: I see them. Not sure if they have the papers to back that up. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original

Re: [WISPA] Tools for making LMR400 N connectors...

2007-08-03 Thread John Scrivner
Call your local LMR distributor and tell them to send you a LMR 400 strip tool, crimp tool and order yourself a bunch of those LMR 400 EZ connectors. Problem solved! Scriv Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: I used to do them that way. Takes wa too long. At least get the right

RE: [WISPA] Google: Wireless Internet - What to Sell?

2007-08-03 Thread D. Ryan Spott
I have to agree with this. I am flat broke most of the time and found it in my pocketbook to not drink the fru fru coffee drinks, stick to plain black coffee and send my $25 a month to WISPA. If I can do this, so can _you_ :) ryan (ok, ok... so really my wife and Dr told me to lay off the fru

Re: [WISPA] Google: Wireless Internet - What to Sell?

2007-08-03 Thread John Scrivner
Replies below: Zack Kneisley wrote: Scriv, I can see where you are coming from, but is this not an open list? You bet it is open. Thanks to people who pay the dues and donate their time to keep it that way. I think that denying a person advice based on their business structure is a bit

Re: [WISPA] What are your customers worth?

2007-08-03 Thread Pete Davis
The valuation of WISP user vs Cell user are a little funky. These numbers came off the top of my head and may not be anywhere near resembling reality. I am basing them on what I have made/lost in the WISP business in the past 5 years, and what I have spent/seen others spend on cell phone

Re: [WISPA] What are your customers worth?

2007-08-03 Thread Travis Johnson
Those are some very good comparisons... if taken very lightly in the manner you intended... but to look at some real numbers... My local cell phone company just announced a $59/month unlimited minutes plan. You can then get unlimited SMS, web, pictures, etc. for like another $35/month if you