Re: [WISPA] IS Packet limiting /was ComCast deals w/P2P

2007-10-22 Thread Mac Dearman
Do not take this for the Gospel since I was only able to catch bits and pieces of a few different conversations over 2 days but, I think the packet limiting ability enables you actually put a number on how many PPS any sub can send/receive and all over that limit are dropped at the router. I

Re: [WISPA] IS Packet limiting /was ComCast deals w/P2P

2007-10-22 Thread Butch Evans
On Mon, 22 Oct 2007, Mac Dearman wrote: 1. Is the packet limiting capable of identifying and limiting specific types of traffic (i.e. P2P) or does it cast a broad net that does a complete PPS count? It can do the limiting either way. Actually, Mac, it can limit by any combination of the

Re: [WISPA] Advertising

2007-10-22 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I think that the first thing I would do is post a screen capture of a speakeasy test on your web site. Put yours and theirs right there, side by side. Let the proof be in the puddin'. marlon - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List

[WISPA] OT Comcast email issues

2007-10-22 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Hi All, Comcast keeps blocking our mail server. They are saying that we are a customer ON their network trying to send mail via another server. Anyone else having trouble with them of late? Here's the email back from them when I tried to find out WHY they are blocking us. sigh

Re: [WISPA] Advertising

2007-10-22 Thread Luke Pack
I have seen many advertisements be sneaky. By this I mean they give real information with the intent to mislead. I take an approach of honesty in my service. If the customer doesn't understand, I will take the time to explain what they are getting. No sneaky phrases or anything. This make

RE: [WISPA] OT Comcast email issues

2007-10-22 Thread D. Ryan Spott
Reply back with the following: %whois 64.146.146.8 Northwest Open Access Network NOANET-BLK2 (NET-64-146-128-0-1) 64.146.128.0 - 64.146.255.255 Douglas County PUD NOANET-DCPUD-64-146-146-0-1 (NET-64-146-146-0-1) 64.146.146.0 -

RE: [WISPA] OT Comcast email issues

2007-10-22 Thread Mac Dearman
Marlon, It looks like they see you as a residential subscriber. Do you have allocated IP's from them, Own your own or just a couple statics that come with your bandwidth? I thought you were on a fiber connection! You ought to be able to call that number posted on the bottom of their email and

[WISPA] Extra Shirts (Get them while they last)

2007-10-22 Thread Rick Harnish
We had a few shirts left over from the ISPCON show. The following colors/sizes are available for shipment. (1)Navy XL (2)White XL (2)Putty XL (2)Putty L (2)Black XL Please send $47 per shirt to HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] and specify

RE: [WISPA] Advertising / who you should not have as customers.

2007-10-22 Thread D. Ryan Spott
I am honest and forward with my customers, to a fault. I tell them when I have issues at towers, with ISPs, with mistakes _I_ have made! It just seems to work better than covering up everything with crazy messed up PR. If they don't like that then they can go somewhere else. They will be back and

[WISPA] Extra Shirts (Get them while they last)

2007-10-22 Thread Rick Harnish
Payment is to be made via paypal to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I forgot to mention it in the previous email. Thanks, Rick We had a few shirts left over from the ISPCON show. The following colors/sizes are available for shipment. (1)Navy XL (2)White XL (2)Putty XL (2)

Re: [WISPA]was Advertising now lying competition

2007-10-22 Thread Tom DeReggi
- - they will be back. But the golden question is... When they come back, will you still be there? Larger scale WISPs may be able to absorb the temporary loss of revenue, but can the small WISPs afford to loose subscribers (for any duration)? The key is damages. For you to benefit, you have

Re: [WISPA] Advertising

2007-10-22 Thread Travis Johnson
Marlon, We already did that... with CableOne and with the WiMax competitor... however, a lot of people don't check that before they read the ad in the newspaper that says 4meg wireless for $34.95 and think they are paying too much with our service. Maybe I should start advertising up to

[WISPA] Downtilt Calculation

2007-10-22 Thread Ryan Langseth
I have been meaning to ask this for a while. How does everyone figure their downtilt? Do you tilt down slightly more or less than 1/2 the vertical beamwidth? No downtilt? Anything else? As a real world example: We are re-deploying a tower and are moving from an omni to sectors, we are putting

Re: [WISPA] Look how ComCast deals with P2P

2007-10-22 Thread Tom DeReggi
Sam, The problem here is how do you define a monopoly, a The definition is of course the other provider :-) No seriously, definition of Monopoly... 1) I believe to own the title of a Monopoly, there has to be some scale involved. Anyone under 10mil annual revenue is exempt. 2) A Monopoly is

Re: [WISPA] Downtilt Calculation

2007-10-22 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, I use this quite a bit... it's quick and easy: http://www.wisp-router.com/calculators/downtilt.php If it were me, I would probably set them at 2-3 degrees downtilt. Travis Microserv Ryan Langseth wrote: I have been meaning to ask this for a while. How does everyone figure their

[WISPA] RE: [WISPA Members] Extra Shirts (Get them while they last)

2007-10-22 Thread Mac Dearman
I will add that these are VERY VERY nice shirts! The Logo is as professional as the shirt is. These folks did a great job Rick - - be sure you tell them how pleased we are and if I can't find someone local that does this quality of work - I am going to get them to make our shirts for Maximum

Re: [WISPA] Advertising

2007-10-22 Thread chuck
At 9:36 AM -0500 10/22/07, Luke Pack wrote: I have seen many advertisements be sneaky. By this I mean they give real information with the intent to mislead. I take an approach of honesty in my service. If the customer doesn't understand, I will take the time to explain what they are

RE: [WISPA] Down tilt Calculation

2007-10-22 Thread Mac Dearman
Ryan, You need to figure a couple things before you deploy the sectors: 1. Where is your customer base that you are providing located? (1 mile? 10 miles? Out to 10 miles?) Example: With your location height and antenna choices a down tilt of 3* would give you a coverage area starting at

Re: [WISPA] RE: [WISPA Members] Extra Shirts (Get them while they last)

2007-10-22 Thread George Rogato
Mac Dearman wrote: I will add that these are VERY VERY nice shirts! The Logo is as professional as the shirt is. These folks did a great job Rick - - be sure you tell them how pleased we are and if I can't find someone local that does this quality of work - I am going to get them to make our

Re: [WISPA] Advertising

2007-10-22 Thread Tom DeReggi
I think there are two seperate issue here, and I may have lsot track which one was being asked about. 1) Customers leaving for services being advertised as faster and cheaper, when the competitors was just lying. 2) Advertising to attract new customers, when competitors are lying. If your

Re: [WISPA] Advertising

2007-10-22 Thread David E. Smith
Tom DeReggi wrote: [ a nice sales pitch ] Cust-Is it faster than DSL or Cable? Sales- The true measure of speed is Latency, and our latency outperforms both Cable and DSL. Thats why you won't see a latency spec in our competitor's advertisements Just out of curiosity, do you have one of

RE: [WISPA] Advertising

2007-10-22 Thread Rick Harnish
I lost one city deal a few years ago because a new competitor came into the city council meeting the night I thought I would sign the deal and touted that his customers would get 54 Mbps for $24.99. My challenges went unheard, all the people wanted to hear was that he was faster and cost less

Re: [WISPA] Advertising

2007-10-22 Thread Tom DeReggi
Just out of curiosity, do you have one of your adverts posted somewhere? No, we don't advertise. All referral or direct sales. into a selling point. Note that I was using the Latency example as just one of many possible answers one could give a customer instead of the answer that they were

Re: [WISPA] Advertising

2007-10-22 Thread chuck
Here's how I explain it to a customer: A barge has a lot more bandwidth (ie, capacity) than a speedboat. But if you want to get to the other side of a river, which would you prefer? A speedboat's gonna do it a heck of a lot faster, even though its bandwidth or capacity is a lot lower. There's

[WISPA] WISPA Homepage Article

2007-10-22 Thread Rick Harnish
HYPERLINK http://www.wispa.org/?p=129Travis Johnson and Microserv Technologies awarded 2007 WISPA Best WISP Operator Award Recently WISPA held its biannual reception at the ISPCON conference in San Jose, California. The highlight of this reception was the announcement of the winner of the Best