Re: [WISPA] MetroFi - Portland - Uh oh

2008-02-04 Thread Brian Webster
No big surprise here. The problem with the municipal networks that I saw was the cities that thought they were going to get all this infrastructure for free. I'm sorry but I don't think you can get enough ad revenue from any of these networks to support the real cost of building a system

[WISPA] Strange managed switch request

2008-02-04 Thread D. Ryan Spott
Hey guys, I am looking for an 8-port, 10/100 managed switch for a remote site. It needs to be a small form factor switch. The weird part is that it needs to be 12V DC! Anyone know of such a beast? Thanks in advance, ryan

Re: [WISPA] MetroFi - Portland - Uh oh

2008-02-04 Thread George Rogato
The muni wifi deals are the ones operating under the belief of: build it and they will come As a wisp who has slowly, but consistently built out my network, thats a bad theory. We build it where there is demand. George Brian Webster wrote: No big surprise here. The problem with the

Re: [WISPA] tripod source

2008-02-04 Thread Travis Johnson
Can you get the 2 footers? Dennis Burgess - Link Techs Inc wrote: Got them for 17.95 plus shipping, but I think they are the 3 footers. Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, I am looking for a source for roof-mount tripods (the 2ft versions). thanks, Travis Microserv

[WISPA] tripod source

2008-02-04 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, I am looking for a source for roof-mount tripods (the 2ft versions). thanks, Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] Strange managed switch request

2008-02-04 Thread Gino Villarini
Whats your budget? Linksys has one for about $150, then you can step up to industrial type of units(Cisco, Moxa, Etherwan, Garret, Sixnet ect) those will start at about $500 up ... they usually take 12 - 72 vdc Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel

Re: [WISPA] Strange managed switch request

2008-02-04 Thread Jason
http://www.icpdas-usa.com/ns_208_ethernet_switch.html for $155.00 I bought one for a solar powered ap I'm building because of its very low power consumption (2.2W). 8 ports, 10 to 30 vdc, din rail mountable. I haven't installed it yet though, so this is only a lead, not an endorsement. I

Re: [WISPA] Strange managed switch request

2008-02-04 Thread Patrick Shoemaker
Slightly above your budget, but managed DIN mount with 12-48 VDC compatibility: http://www.bb-elec.com/product_multi_family.asp?MultiFamilyId=81TrailType=SubTrail=5 Patrick Shoemaker President, Vector Data Systems LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] office: (301) 358-1690 x36 mobile: (410) 991-5791

[WISPA] Strange BH Behavior

2008-02-04 Thread Scott Reed
I have a backhaul link, RB532 w/CM9 (I think) to RB532 w/SR2 (I think) that is a great link, most of the time. Every once in a while it will quite passing traffic. If I setup a ping on the 32 on one end to ping the other, it will go just fine, no packet loss. But eventually all the customer

[WISPA] Mikrotik CPE with funny ENet port

2008-02-04 Thread Scott Reed
I have an RB133c that works great except it will not pass IP traffic on the Ethernet port. I can log into the port with WinBox and MAC. I can ping the port address from a device across the wireless. It just will not move any IP traffic on the wire. Any suggestions? -- Scott Reed Owner

Re: [WISPA] tripod source

2008-02-04 Thread Dennis Burgess - Link Techs Inc
Got them for 17.95 plus shipping, but I think they are the 3 footers. Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, I am looking for a source for roof-mount tripods (the 2ft versions). thanks, Travis Microserv WISPA Wants

Re: [WISPA] Strange managed switch request

2008-02-04 Thread Jason
Oops! I didn't catch that. They might have a managed version; but doubtful. Try clicking around their main site: http://www.icpdas.com Jason D. Ryan Spott wrote: Almost there! I need management. :( ryan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On

Re: [WISPA] Strange managed switch request

2008-02-04 Thread D. Ryan Spott
Almost there! I need management. :( ryan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 11:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Strange managed switch request

Re: [WISPA] Strange managed switch request

2008-02-04 Thread D. Ryan Spott
My budget is around 100-200 bucks. The small form factor is important. I find that the ratings for these switches is usually from 5-72VDC. I am looking to see if anyone on the list is actually using a switch like this in production. If someone says yes, I have this device running on 12VDC then I

Re: [WISPA] Strange BH Behavior

2008-02-04 Thread Jack Unger
Is there a pattern (day, time, weather, etc.) when the customer connections stop? Scott Reed wrote: I have a backhaul link, RB532 w/CM9 (I think) to RB532 w/SR2 (I think) that is a great link, most of the time. Every once in a while it will quite passing traffic. If I setup a ping on the

Re: [WISPA] Strange BH Behavior

2008-02-04 Thread Jack Unger
With a poor RF link or a link suffering from interference, small packets get through easier than large packets. Calculate the fade margin (in dB) of your RF link first. Then, confirm that interference is not a problem. For large packets to get through consistently, the fade margin needs to be

Re: [WISPA] MetroFi - Portland - Uh oh

2008-02-04 Thread John Scrivner
I appreciate your insight Brian. I know your were on the front lines in Philly with Earthlink. I am sure there was much knowledge gained from your involvement there. Thanks for sharing a bit of what you experienced. It is a shame we did not think of having you speak about the Philly project at the

Re: [WISPA] Strange BH Behavior

2008-02-04 Thread Mark Williams
BTW, you can tell whether it is CM9 or UBQ by the MAC address: 00:15:6D - UBQ 00:0B:6B - CM9 Mark Williams Locustworld Certified Mesh Engineer Mesh network design, engineering, training and consultation http://www.markw.net --- Looking for a great webhost provider?

Re: [WISPA] Strange BH Behavior

2008-02-04 Thread Cameron Kilton
Try replacing the SR2 with another CM9. We had problems when trying to use CM9 with SR5 cards from time to times. So links are perfect, but others would give us hell. Worth a shot if you have a spare CM9 card. I expect some to say that's not the problem, but just reporting what we have seen with

Re: [WISPA] Strange BH Behavior

2008-02-04 Thread Mike Hammett
This may or may not make a difference, but I mostly use 6th generation chips (R52s, XR5s, and one from Gigabyte). I'm told they listen better. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Scott Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: [WISPA] Strange BH Behavior

2008-02-04 Thread Scott Reed
No time that I can find. The link stays connected, that is right now both ends show the link has been up 12 hours, but I know at 10:00AM we had a customer call because he could not hit the Internet. Right now the link is moving 2+Mbps. RSSI is 71/72. SNR is report as 19. CCQ is a dismal

Re: [WISPA] Strange BH Behavior

2008-02-04 Thread Justin S. Wilson
Scott, If you do a large byte ping do you get packet loss? We just replaced a 532 board that would ping fine until you sent a large ping to it. We have seen this in the past with the 532's. The ethernet becomes weak. Send a 1000 byte ping to it or whatever the proper terminology is

Re: [WISPA] Strange BH Behavior

2008-02-04 Thread D. Ryan Spott
Was this device recoverable or just dead? I have a 532 that is exhibiting the same thing. ryan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Justin S. Wilson Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 12:10 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Strange

Re: [WISPA] Strange BH Behavior

2008-02-04 Thread Scott Reed
Shows what happens when you aren't where you can check and just guess. One end is so old (for my network) that it is a Senao something, MAC: 00:02:6F The other end is CM9. And with my fat fingers, another oops, it is a 5GHz link. Mark Williams wrote: BTW, you can tell whether it is CM9 or UBQ

Re: [WISPA] Strange managed switch request

2008-02-04 Thread Steve
That may be an easy one, depending on your management needs. Just get the Mikrotik Routerboard rb192 ($109) with enclosure ($17). You'll have 9 ports, low power requirements, and 12v! -- Patrick Shoemaker wrote: Slightly above your budget, but managed DIN mount with 12-48 VDC compatibility:

Re: [WISPA] Strange BH Behavior

2008-02-04 Thread Mike Hammett
I would look at the XR cards over the SR cards as they have the newer chipsets. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Scott Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 04,

Re: [WISPA] Strange BH Behavior

2008-02-04 Thread Justin S. Wilson
We just marked it as dead and sent it back. This particular AP had 65 customers on it and we are not going to trust it again. Even pings to the ethernet side were poor. Pings from the mikrotik to associated customers were fine. Justin -- Justin S. Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mikrotik

Re: [WISPA] Strange BH Behavior

2008-02-04 Thread Scott Reed
Yeah, I think I am going to get SR5s on both ends. With the winds we have been having, won't hurt to get someone up there to confirm alignment, too. Mike Hammett wrote: This may or may not make a difference, but I mostly use 6th generation chips (R52s, XR5s, and one from Gigabyte). I'm told

Re: [WISPA] MetroFi - Portland - Uh oh

2008-02-04 Thread Brian Webster
Ralph, You and I were both there in Philly doing optimization and we proved that it does work and quite well. My point was that there are too many people who have no idea what it takes to deploy a wireless network making decisions, setting up budgets and expectations. I've been working on

Re: [WISPA] MetroFi - Portland - Uh oh

2008-02-04 Thread ralph
Hello Brian- Yes- Many of us were involved in the EL projects. I built their Milpitas, California network. First network to be completely rolled out on time and not in chunks First network with a totally stealthed two Canopy cluster AP site And a few other firsts. That network is finished, it

Re: [WISPA] MetroFi - Portland - Uh oh

2008-02-04 Thread Brian Webster
Yes from a technical point of view. Beyond that I am not at liberty to state. I can say that the subscriber growth also went quite well, much faster than I expected. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown - 2 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 04,

Re: [WISPA] Strange BH Behavior

2008-02-04 Thread Mac Dearman
If it were me I would go with the R52H for everything 2.4 5.x since that is where MT has headed and what they devote their time to these days Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 5:32

Re: [WISPA] Strange managed switch request

2008-02-04 Thread Butch Evans
On Mon, 4 Feb 2008, D. Ryan Spott wrote: If someone says yes, I have this device running on 12VDC then I will go buy that device. See http://www.routerboard.com/comparison.html for the RB192. It can be configured as a switch or bridge. With such a device you have full Mikrotik control of

Re: [WISPA] MetroFi - Portland - Uh oh

2008-02-04 Thread ralph
Yes. A mesh system (even meshing on 2.4 along with the users) with the proper amount of bandwidth injection (one gateway for every 3-6 non-gateway nodes), and plenty of Stingers g can work very well. Lord knows we used a bunch of them to counteract the poor Canopy antennas! I now am pretty good

Re: [WISPA] MetroFi - Portland - Uh oh

2008-02-04 Thread Chuck McCown - 2
When you say it does work and quite well I presume you mean from a technical point of view only? - Original Message - From: Brian Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MetroFi - Portland - Uh oh

[WISPA] ATT Wins Licenses to Airwaves

2008-02-04 Thread CHUCK PROFITO
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