Re: [WISPA] Leasing company...

2008-06-02 Thread Charles Wu
Have you checked the WISPA vendor member list =) shameless plug http://www.isp-planet.com/fixed_wireless/equipment/distributors/cti.html -Charles From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 01,

Re: [WISPA] FCC changes

2008-06-02 Thread Mike Hammett
I have a $275 install and I still have people not paying their bills. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 1:54 PM

Re: [WISPA] FCC changes

2008-06-02 Thread Mike Hammett
The government should not restrict a company's ability to charge an early termination fee. Consumers are offered a lower startup price and lower monthly price because they commit to being a customer for a specified amount of time. If the government MUST get involved, perhaps require an option

Re: [WISPA] FCC changes

2008-06-02 Thread Mike Hammett
A lot of phones I have seen are starting to standardize on USB, which they should have done 10 years ago. My Motorola Nextel, my friend's Asian Windows Mobile Sprint, and another friend's Palm Sprint all use USB. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [WISPA] FCC changes

2008-06-02 Thread Blair Davis
It doesn't stop them all, but it helps Of course, we require that install and first months service are due at time of install. Mike Hammett wrote: I have a $275 install and I still have people not paying their bills. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions

Re: [WISPA] FCC changes

2008-06-02 Thread Scottie Arnett
I still don't get it. If you specifically stated the early termination fee in the contract and provide a well defined SLA and what will happen if you do not provide that SLA to the customer, then what is to be argued? If the contract says there is a $1000 termination fee or a $10,000

Re: [WISPA] Tiger Direct is Breaking the Law

2008-06-02 Thread Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net
it is'ent like its hard to find other companies selling this. Amazon is selling it too, as well as compusa. .. The issue is that its not over powering the band? Assuming its a 500mw amp thats basically 27 db, so if they have a 7 dbi omni on it, thats 34 dbi, under the limit The only issue is

[WISPA] Tiger Direct is Breaking the Law

2008-06-02 Thread John Scrivner
There is no way this is close to legal: Tiger Direct Wi-Fi Booster Amphttp://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3522757CatId=374gclid=CLCogIud1pMCFRQXsgodo2xwjg Does the FCC have a place where we can report this crap? This is flagrant abuse of the band and will

Re: [WISPA] FCC changes

2008-06-02 Thread reader
That last part about being full regulated should be fought to our last breath.It's our only means of survival. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent:

Re: [WISPA] FCC changes

2008-06-02 Thread Chuck McCown - 2
Originally the telcos were unregulated. You had Bell, Gray, Home and others. Market forces started to help settle who the larger players were but there were still farmer lines in the 1960s that were unregulated. All farmer lines that combined to become ILECs did pretty good. Regulation was

Re: [WISPA] Tiger Direct is Breaking the Law

2008-06-02 Thread Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net
I agree, just saying that there is more than one vendor selling crap. I don't think there is much we can do about it. Just have to know its out there! -- Dennis Burgess Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc http://www.linktechs.net 314-735-0270 Blair

Re: [WISPA] Tiger Direct is Breaking the Law

2008-06-02 Thread Blair Davis
Let's not start the Certified 'Antenna Systems' thing again. Please! Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net wrote: it is'ent like its hard to find other companies selling this. Amazon is selling it too, as well as compusa. .. The issue is that its not over powering the band? Assuming its a 500mw

Re: [WISPA] Tiger Direct is Breaking the Law

2008-06-02 Thread Chuck McCown - 2
Many of the ads mention that you must have a ham license for use or that they are for export only. - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tiger Direct

Re: [WISPA] Tiger Direct is Breaking the Law

2008-06-02 Thread Mark Nash
Don't look but I've got one of those YDI amps on ebay right now...1000mW indoor DC injector w/outdoor mount. If you use it and you're under the limit, then how can you be breaking Reg? Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax

Re: [WISPA] FCC changes

2008-06-02 Thread reader
You make my case for me. If ISP's become fully regulated there will only be the telcos. Thanks for agreeing. Our survival DEPENDS on not being 'regulated'. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: [WISPA] Tiger Direct is Breaking the Law

2008-06-02 Thread Travis Johnson
Not FCC certified? :) Travis Mark Nash wrote: Don't look but I've got one of those YDI amps on ebay right now...1000mW indoor DC injector w/outdoor mount. If you use it and you're under the limit, then how can you be breaking Reg? Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene,

Re: [WISPA] FCC changes

2008-06-02 Thread Chuck McCown - 2
We ARE regulated now. Just try to go on some other non part 15 frequency or start running power on ULS freqs. You will discover very quickly how regulated you are. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 11:41

Re: [WISPA] Tiger Direct is Breaking the Law

2008-06-02 Thread Chuck McCown - 2
If it has a type acceptance number it is OK, if not, then not OK. The limit is not the only thing they care about. Out of band emissions is a huge thing. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 12:21 PM Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] Tiger Direct is Breaking the Law

2008-06-02 Thread Mark Nash
Yes, but that topic should have a list of its own, for as many times as it's been brought up and argued and tabled and brought up and argued and tabled and brought up and argued and tabled... etc etc etc yada yada yada. Wanna start it again? ;) Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite

[WISPA] Bandwidth Management

2008-06-02 Thread Jake VanDewater
I'm looking for a bandwidth management box to set individual IP addresses for several subscribers. We currently use the Emerging Technologies solution, but over the past couple of months, two of them have failed in the field. I would like get something that is relatively inexpensive. What is

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Management

2008-06-02 Thread Mark Nash
StarOS. We do it at the APs currently, but may be switching to a PowerCode BMU, since we are using that for billing. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Victoria Proffer

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Management

2008-06-02 Thread Victoria Proffer
Mikrotik ;) Check out Link Technologies. On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 1:48 PM, Jake VanDewater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking for a bandwidth management box to set individual IP addresses for several subscribers. We currently use the Emerging Technologies solution, but over the past couple

Re: [WISPA] FCC changes

2008-06-02 Thread Larry Yunker
The problem lies in the common belief that one can draft a contract which imposes a penalty for breach of contract. While courts often allow some measure of liquidated damages they generally will not protect a drafting party by enforcing a penalty clause. So, if you were challenged by a

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Management

2008-06-02 Thread Travis Johnson
Mikrotik Jake VanDewater wrote: I'm looking for a bandwidth management box to set individual IP addresses for several subscribers. We currently use the Emerging Technologies solution, but over the past couple of months, two of them have failed in the field. I would like get something

Re: [WISPA] FCC changes

2008-06-02 Thread David E. Smith
If ISP's become fully regulated there will only be the telcos. Thanks for agreeing. Our survival DEPENDS on not being 'regulated'. Billions of dollars in government handouts without having to do any real work? Sounds like a pretty sweet deal to me. I wanna be a telco! :) David Smith

Re: [WISPA] FCC changes

2008-06-02 Thread Chuck McCown - 2
I AM a telco and want to know where the handouts come from. Real work? Plowing fiber through solid rock so I can earn $13.50/month providing basic service, I guess that isn't real work, right? BTW, show me where any tax dollars are used to support the telcos. That one has always eluded me

Re: [WISPA] FCC changes

2008-06-02 Thread Randy Cosby
Chuck, maybe you can shed some light on a thought I had here. With most of my telco contracts, there is not an early termination fee involved. Instead, I am contractually obligated to pay for the remainder of the contract, or in other instances something like 50-70% of the remainder if I stop

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Management

2008-06-02 Thread Jim Patient
Hey Jake, If you want to give me a call, I will give you login to one of my Mikrotik routers that has bandwidth queues in place. I can give you a quickie on how it works. Jim 314-565-6863 Jake VanDewater wrote: I'm looking for a bandwidth management box to set individual IP addresses for

Re: [WISPA] Tiger Direct is Breaking the Law

2008-06-02 Thread Tom Sharples
I can't find them (Luxul) on the FCC search site: https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm?calledFromFrame=N however that's not unusual since they may just be private labeling someone else's approved radio. Since this product iappears to feature a captive omni antenna,

Re: [WISPA] FCC changes

2008-06-02 Thread Chuck McCown - 2
The only thing we have to do is to stick to the tariff. And the tariff must be approved. Normally the FCC and NECA and the state regulators attempt to enforce fairness in tariffs. However things like leased lines (for backbone connections) are frequently unregulated and the telcos are free

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Management

2008-06-02 Thread Mark Nash
I should say that we're using StarOS for this, because that's the platform that we're using. That said, IMHO, when I used Mikrotik it was way easier to do this with, and way better to look at on-screen. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Management

2008-06-02 Thread Bill Price
Does anyone use Netequalizer or Packeteer? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 4:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Management I should say that we're using StarOS for this,

Re: [WISPA] Tiger Direct is Breaking the Law

2008-06-02 Thread Mike Hammett
CompUSA and Tiger are now the same company. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 12:08 PM Subject:

Re: [WISPA] FCC changes

2008-06-02 Thread Matt
This could turn in to something it shouldn't really fast... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/30/AR2008053002776.html I agree that this could be a real issue. But one thing that really irks me though is the under handed(in my opinion) use of auto renewing contracts.

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Management

2008-06-02 Thread Brad Belton
We had several Packeteer boxes years ago. Fantastic product and IMO (and first hand testing at the time) was far and away the best bandwidth management device available. I have no reason not to believe the Packeteer is still the finest bandwidth management device available today. We moved away

Re: [WISPA] FCC changes

2008-06-02 Thread reader
That's really a non-response to the issue. As a WISP, I travel the public roads, does this make me a regulated industry? Of course not. I am still bound by the rules of the road, however. But just driving the public highway does not obligate me to buy a car for the cop when his breaks, out

Re: [WISPA] FCC changes

2008-06-02 Thread Chuck McCown - 2
Yep, I got nailed by this once myself. - Original Message - From: Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC changes This could turn in to something it shouldn't really fast...

Re: [WISPA] FCC changes

2008-06-02 Thread Larry Yunker
I agree that the auto-renew trick is a concern, but I think that cellular service is where this all started. Changes in availability, reliability, packages, and competition in the cellular market has also lead to much of the push for early termination fee (ETF) reform. As was mentioned earlier

Re: [WISPA] FCC changes

2008-06-02 Thread reader
- Original Message - From: Larry Yunker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC changes With the mergers of Cingular and ATT and Nextel and Sprint, roughly half of all cell phone users in the U.S.

[WISPA] Is anyone using the the open source Zimbra mail server?

2008-06-02 Thread rabbtux rabbtux
I'm just about to use Zimbra to replace my exsisting qmail server. Just wondering if anyone had any experience or tips about using this feature rich email server? Thanks, Marshall WISPA Wants You! Join today!

Re: [WISPA] Is anyone using the the open source Zimbra mail server?

2008-06-02 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
Yes, we have for a couple of years. The Zimbra OUTLOOK connector is a Godsend for me. Wherever I send from: PDA, home PC, office PC, X300 laptop on the road...or airline club PC with Web mail, everything is always in synch. There's a Zimbra connector for OUTLOOK, my Symbian phone, etc. If I

Re: [WISPA] FCC changes

2008-06-02 Thread George Rogato
Larry Yunker wrote: but I think that cellular service is where this all started. Changes in availability, reliability, packages, and competition in the cellular market has also lead to much of the push for early termination fee (ETF) reform. There was a point in time when T Mobile was