Am I hearing correctly that this new space can only be utilized in rural areas?
Not for Citys like New Orleans? TIA
Joe Laura
Superior Alarm/Wireless
New Orleans,La.
www.superior1.com
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From: Blair Davis
To: WISPA General List
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008
Joe,
It entirely depends on how many broadcast TV stations are in the NOLA area.
Obviously, there are more whitespaces in rural areas because there are less
TV broadcasters. Municipal areas will have proportionately less whitespaces
available because those areas inherently have more
Hi folks,
I just wanted to drop a note to the list that I have joined Aperto and
thus my Sageni consulting business will not be active. It is a great
move for me since Aperto now has a strong and primary commitment to the
WISP market, especially regarding 3.65 GHz where Aperto's historic
I do hope all of you are ready for the new DTV channels! Just got this
today and thought I'd pass it along.
For Immediate Release
Are you ready for Digital TV? Starting in February, 2009, analog TV
signals will no longer be available in many areas. To ensure continued
enjoyment of your
Susan Crawford, a professor at the University of Michigan Law School,
and Kevin Werbach, a former FCC staffer, organizer of the annual tech
conference Supernova http://www.supernova2008.com/, and a Wharton
professor, will lead the Obama-Biden transition team's review of the FCC.
Both are
For an idea of antenna size... look at a TV antenna. Same band, same size
antenna for same gain.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
--
From: Steve Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008
Sounds like crap to me. I probably have one of the oldest VHF\UHF setups
(the house is 95 years old) there is. I'm located probably 70 miles from
Chicago's TV stations and I received signal just fine... until the preamp
went out and I gave up.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing
That's scary. And that's only a receiver antenna. So are we looking at
an extra trailer behind our install trucks to carry an 8ft x 6ft yagi as
well as 10 foot tv tower sections to get it up high enough and away from
the house.
Steve Barnes
RCWiFi Wireless Internet
-Original Message-
Joe,
Looks like you will have whitespace available - -as I used Brains tool
fast like.
I will hit you off list with the attachment.
THANKS BRIAN!
Mac
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Joe Laura
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008
I have been using WiFi Spray instead, its cheaper and works just as good!!
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
I do hope all of you are ready for the new DTV channels! Just got this
today and thought I'd pass it along.
For Immediate Release
Are you ready for Digital TV? Starting
I have some Wi-Fi spray I use on client CPE when their signal degrades. Two
squirts and their old -87 become a -67 instantly!! It comes in several
different colors - - like wifi red, radio white and my favorite of all is
802yellow!!
I have several bottles for sale if anyone is interested. :-)
I'll take a case of the yellow. Do you accept Paypal? :)
Travis
Mac Dearman wrote:
I have some Wi-Fi spray I use on client CPE when their signal degrades. Two
squirts and their old -87 become a -67 instantly!! It comes in several
different colors - - like wifi red, radio white and my
It's actually pretty cheap, here:
http://j-walk.com/other/wifispray/
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 1:34 PM, Travis
Save your money, Wikipedia says that Wi-Fi spray is simply re-packaged
Astro-Glide personal lubricant. American Towers is the largest consumer.
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From: Travis Johnson
To: WISPA General List
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DTV
ROTFLMAO
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Jerry Richardson
airCloud Communications
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 10:40 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DTV transition
Could you elaborate on why this is a bad idea?
I'm slightly interested in it for low cost connections. In my current
area, I don't have a problem finding grain legs for AP sites. These
would be dense enough that I could build a great network with white
spaces cells and 5GHz backhauls.
But
I have a customer needing residental wireless internet
service (I specify after the last 1 question I got)
in La Monte, Missouri.
South Main Street, by the US Cellular tower.
Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card
Is yellow the best answer in this situation. I was thinking Red would
tend to help support department know who was on the slicked up service
compared to those who like it natural. Best to know who you're dealing
with when you send out a service tech.
Steve Barnes
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 18 Nov 2008, Mac Dearman wrote:
- -as I used Brains tool
Mac,
I'll believe a lot of things, but I don't believe that you used
Brains anything. ;-)
DUCKRUNDODGE
--
* Butch Evans * Professional
For three years I received my content off-air only while I lived in the
Silicon Valley. The quality of the signal off-air was amazing and really
popped off my plasma. Getting it direct with no compression...and for
free with a small antenna...was really great. I'll be doing it again
once I have
I am looking to see what other members use for indoor access points.
Primarily I'm looking for a residential install and hotels.
I've been using the Senao/Engenius equipment for quite a while but I have
encountered several issues over the years and I am hoping to find a
replacement low-cost
Let me guess you have a pile of dead Engenius 3220 that wont transmit
any more. I have 9 myself. I am looking for a good inside AP that
works with POE as well.
Steve Barnes
RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf
Josh Luthman wrote:
I am looking to see what other members use for indoor access points.
Primarily I'm looking for a residential install and hotels.
I've been using the Senao/Engenius equipment for quite a while but I have
encountered several issues over the years and I am hoping to find a
Steve,
Actually I have more of a mountain of the outdoor units. I used a skid and
fork lift to get them to the dumpster. Though my real problem with these
radios is their inability to work well for a long duration of time with most
laptops and their inability to work well whatsoever with Intel
Josh Luthman wrote:
Charles,
These will be indoor installs so the durability and operating conditions are
not a big deal to me. I am interested in knowing if anyone has deployed
them in a hotel/hotspot, though!
Yes. I have one deployed as a Hotspot right now (in use for about 3
weeks
Wonder if they're NEMA rated.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Since
Necessity (so they say) is the Mother of Invention.
Drew Lentz wrote:
Since today is wireless geek humor day, I submit to you the following
photograph taken this weekend:
The preferred product of all-weather enclosures on the US/Mexico border in
South Texas! Igloo Coolers!
I think Marlon has an old refrigerator for an enclosure at one of his sites!
I am looking for a 10x20 reefer enclosure for one of my remote sites.
ryan
Jack Unger wrote:
Necessity (so they say) is the Mother of Invention.
Drew Lentz wrote:
Since today is wireless geek humor day, I
Folks,
Just would like to run an informal poll to determine the market for
Fixed White Spaces devices over the next 2 - 3 years. If you could
reply (offlist preferred) to this request I'd like to pass the demand
over to our product line managers who set product development priority.
512 -
Have you tried a RuckusWirelss AP (they make an outdoor unit as well).
They are a bit more expensive, but after you get over that pain, you might
not want to go back to anything else.
Regards
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappydsl.net
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL
I think that if you want to use WISPA to mine market data, then the results
should be made public for all to share.
You are not the only vendor member of WISPA that has TVWS product in the
pipeline you know.
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From: Kevin Suitor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General
Wonder why it attached the reply...
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From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces PtP Backhaul
I have had several requests to send the free Google Earth tool I created to
show the TV white Spaces available for any given area in the US. I have
posted a copy of the file on my web site. Scroll down the home page to the
area just above the sample maps. There you will find the link to the file
On Tue, 18 Nov 2008, Josh Luthman wrote:
I've been using the Senao/Engenius equipment for quite a while but
I have encountered several issues over the years and I am hoping to
find a replacement low-cost product.
Define low-cost and include what functionality you're looking for
in this router
On Tue, 18 Nov 2008, Charles Wyble wrote:
Ubiquity NanoStation2. Works great. There are cheaper options like
the Loco or Pico. I like the durability and operating conditions of
the outdoor one and find it worth the extra 50.00.
NS2 is about $70-80 depending on where you get them. You can have
On Tue, 18 Nov 2008, Josh Luthman wrote:
These will be indoor installs so the durability and operating
conditions are not a big deal to me. I am interested in knowing if
anyone has deployed them in a hotel/hotspot, though!
I've installed NS2 in 2 hotels.
--
roflmao
I don't care who you are, THAT'S funny!
marlon
- Original Message -
From: Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DTV transition
Save your money, Wikipedia says that Wi-Fi spray is
I just got an LED TV. Wonder of wonders, THIS one picks up some channels.
Even the old analog stuff. There are a few digital ones as well.
Guess the TV receiver is just as important as our gear.
I'd not say that the OTA channels are any better than the Dish Network ones
though. Either way,
For resi gear I just sell them a Linksys.
In my own home I'm really happy with my Mikrotik!
marlon
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From: Josh Luthman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 12:21 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Indoor Access Points
I am
Cool!
can I put that on my web site?
marlon
P.S. I bet that's some of Jaime's work!
- Original Message -
From: Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 12:25 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Outdoor Rated Enclosures - Humor
Since
Never did actually do that. But I've been told that it works very well.
I do have a site I keep thinking of doing it at. grin
marlon
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From: D. Ryan Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 1:59 PM
Subject:
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From: Kevin Suitor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 3:19 PM
Subject: [WISPA] White Spaces Device Demand
Folks,
Just would like to run an informal poll to determine the market for
Fixed White Spaces
I think it depends on your price point...
Obviously the most popular answer is going to be Mikrotik... but I really
really like my Ruckus gear. I have not deployed it into a hotel personally,
but I am selling it to people to do it. Ruckus also has a team focused on
the hospitality industry... I
Hey, the guys in Las Vegas said they used the small apartment refrigerators,
and they kept them plugged in on their roof tops set on med low. , no
freezer/ ice compartment.
Chuck Profito
209-988-7388
CV-ACCESS, INC
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Providing High Speed Broadband
to Rural Central California
We need to be ready to be involved with this process if there is a way to do
so (from the nprm)
We anticipate that the capabilities of products for operating in this
spectrum will develop
and evolve over time and that much will be learned about the potential for
unlicensed TVBDs to cause
Uncheck the use default gateway on remote network option in the Vista
box.
John
Mike Hammett wrote:
PPTP VPN connection.
I'll see what is supported in this regard.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
I agree with snappy, the Ruckus units PENETRATE and lock on with no
multipath issues. We use them for difficult or large home and business
wireless. We have had some in for over a year with no problems. They will
even sort out and use a reflection !
Chuck Profito
209-988-7388
CV-ACCESS, INC
I was thinking of using the crossroads but I wanted to see how long it
would it be before it was mentioned. I really like the software so I
think I will go that route. Does anyone have experience with a large
amount of crossroads successfully? Is the wireless card just the r52?
As far as the
Anyone out there using the Ubiquiti 3.65 legally registered with the FCC?
Any ups or downs or knowledge you care to share?
TIA
Best Regards,
Joel
NexGenAccess Inc.
www.nexgenaccess.com
740-513-4122
NexGenAccess Inc. http://www.nexgenaccess.com
All I can say is WOW!!!
I deployed an NS2 in a client mode deployment for testing and put it
through heavy usage (lots of voip/downloads/youtube etc)
for 2 weeks. It worked flawlessly.
I then deployed it as a hotspot in El Segundo CA and it's working great.
Initial deployment was under the
Joel White wrote:
Anyone out there using the Ubiquiti 3.65 legally registered with the FCC?
Any ups or downs or knowledge you care to share?
I would love to get an answer to this as well.
WISPA Wants You!
One of our wisp clients (a good size one with around 1K paying clients) has
been testing the ns2, and he reports some sort of problem that shows up as a
steady loss of preformance over time. They start out working great, but
after a few days of continuous operation the net transfer rate drops
Charles,
Have you any experience with the R52/h or Compex cards? If so how do the
NS2s compare (or do they)?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer
When you say the unit is power cycled - is this removing the plug or a
software reset? I would imagine that if it is power supply related a
software reset wouldn't solve the issue.
Thank you very much for your input - this is exactly what I am afraid of.
While in St. Louis Tranzeo radios were
We actually did that. We used Outdoor stainless steel garage refrigerators
to house Alvarion equipment on towers and it worked extremely well!!
Here's another one:
I don't know if any of y'all ever heard the ramblings of what we did with
our Navini equipment years ago. But, let's just say that we
I would absolutely love to see pictures of that. Makes me want to make my
way to Texas =)
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008
Hi All,
In reading the FCC's TV whitespaces report and order I came across this
statement:
Supporters of a licensed approach also hold that there is no need for
additional spectrum
for unlicensed devices. In this regard, Qualcomm submits that there is no
evidence that consumers have
had to
As I recall it was a true power cycle. I am going to be talking with him
again in a couple of days and will confirm. BTW, his application is not
indoor, but rather outdoor over several miles, requiring continuous high
power. Your indoor experience might be different.
Tom S.
- Original
Miracle of miracles! Do the Ruckus model(s) that you use have antenna
diversity built in (like they used to) ?
CHUCK PROFITO wrote:
I agree with snappy, the Ruckus units PENETRATE and lock on with no
multipath issues. We use them for difficult or large home and business
wireless. We have had
Charles, which custom firmware supports mesh?
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Jerry Richardson
airCloud Communications
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Charles Wyble
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 7:41 PM
To: WISPA General
All Ruckus gear either has 6 or 12 antennas depending on the model. But if
a reflection is the best signal from a device, or sending a packet via a
reflection is the best path it will take it.
These things really amaze me... especially for the price
Daniel White
3-dB Networks
-Original
If anyone cares to see it, I dug up the presentation I did at Broadband
Wireless World 2005 (when it was still independent! Haha) and converted it
to PDF. It's got pics of the enclosures on there and it was previously
published so I should be in the clear from my old boss! Enjoy!
You can get it
So the super shelters were on the towers?
Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Drew Lentz
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 12:37 AM
Brian,
When I looked at teh tool, it showed channels 20-52.
Do you have mapping for channels 2-19?
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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From: Brian Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday,
I'm putting stuff up the first of the week next week. I'll post results.
insert witty tagline here
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From: Joel White [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 7:38 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti 3.65
Yes Jack, I guess they have 6 or 7 antennas ver, horiz and 45* and they lock
on whatever is necessary . I do know it held a laptop through 5 exterior
mesh and plaster walls apx 40 feet apart and we still had 4 bars and 5
bars after the forth wall. We have also used them in metal buildings, and
had
Jack, Yes.
They use multi-element / multi-antenna, adaptive beam forming, along with
some very nifty smart mesh.
We replaced 10 buffalo's running dd-wrt (for a large sorrority house / about
60 + active College Students) with 3 Ruckus AP's. Our site survey showed
that two would cover it , but we
As far as I know, the white spaces will only be channels 21-51 excluding
channel 37. That's why they aren't included in the file. I could be wrong on
that but seems like I pulled that from some document somewhere. That was
prior to the ruling. If you find information to the contrary I'll update
Yes.
Also very handy in keeping the beer cans cold... Note the strategic
positioning on the tall tower.. Allows for a restful pause during ascends
and descends.
You have to admit, it is pretty innovative, and very comparable to the
Rubber Maid Storage Bins being used for Battery Housing for
Yep. Diversity antennas can do that. I recommended Ruckus for this
reason several years ago in my emailed newsletter.
CHUCK PROFITO wrote:
Yes Jack, I guess they have 6 or 7 antennas ver, horiz and 45* and they lock
on whatever is necessary . I do know it held a laptop through 5 exterior
mesh
Using StarOS, we have tested them with 3.5GHz antennas. They got what we
would expect them to get with respect to SNR, with a slight loss due to the
3.5GHz antennas.
Two issues...
1. We purchased some of the original XR3's, but then they came out with the
new version XR3 - 3.7 which had
At these freqs, 75ohn RG6 cable is usable with reasonable loss. maybe
75ohm cpe is the way to go...
Chuck McCown - 3 wrote:
75 ohms.
Someone will spin 50 ohm models.
Or just put up with the minor VSWR.
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From: Blair Davis
To: WISPA General List
Sent:
firmware?
Tom Sharples wrote:
One of our wisp clients (a good size one with around 1K paying clients) has
been testing the ns2, and he reports some sort of problem that shows up as a
steady loss of preformance over time. They start out working great, but
after a few days of continuous
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