Re: [WISPA] stopgap for congested wi-fi channel

2008-11-30 Thread Leon Zetekoff
Rogelio wrote: Leon Zetekoff wrote: Is is just one channel or the entire band(s). What if you use 5 or 10 mhz channels? That's what I'm going to go for. I was just hoping for something else to do in the interim, like tweaking RTS/CTS values or something. As Jack said earlier there can be

Re: [WISPA] wireless mesh recommendations for extreme weatherconditions?

2008-11-30 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Wind resistance should be fairly easy to deal with. Just more radios, closer together, with smaller antennas :-). marlon - Original Message - From: scubacuda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent:

Re: [WISPA] stopgap for congested wi-fi channel

2008-11-30 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Yikes! MT radios with the squelch function. BIG antennas and JUST enough TX power to get your system 10 to 15 dB over the noise levels. Cross polarize as much as you can. Move one end? Even if you have to make two or three hops, but pointing into a new direction might help. Out of all of

[WISPA] The Blockbuster Set-top Box Has Arrived (PC World)

2008-11-30 Thread George Rogato
http://tech.yahoo.com/news/pcworld/20081130/tc_pcworld/theblockbustersettopboxhasarrived The major difference between the MediaPoint box and Netflix's is that Blockbuster does progressive playback in comparison to Netflix's streaming, meaning that the video quality is independent of you

[WISPA] Bandwidth and costs...

2008-11-30 Thread Blair Davis
With the things that are coming, I'm starting to wounder just how the bandwidth/pricing model is going to have to change. This is likely not a big deal for you urban guys, but out here in the rural areas, bandwidth ain't cheap. A T1, 1.54Mb/s, costs me $700/month. On my fiber, 1Mb/s costs me

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs...

2008-11-30 Thread RickG
I've got the same issues here. I'm getting rid of my expensive T1's and bringing in bandwidth from 30 miles away. If the usages keeps growing, I'll employ one of the options you mention below. -RickG On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With the things that are

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs...

2008-11-30 Thread Harold Bledsoe
Blair, Do you think you could do the same thing from Chicago or Detroit? You should be able to get something in the $30~50/Mb range, maybe better if you can shoot off of a carrier hotel roof or something. -Hal -Original Message- From: RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs...

2008-11-30 Thread Josh Luthman
I have ~$75/meg via fiber in Troy, OH (north of Dayton which is quite large). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 10:19 PM,

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs...

2008-11-30 Thread Mike Hammett
1 meg is $200. How much is 5, 10, 50, 100? Depending on the provider you could see a sharp drop in the pricing. Either rates will have to go up, your customers will just be unhappy with available options, or you'll have to go big. MANY industries have adopted the catch phrase, Go big or go

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs...

2008-11-30 Thread Travis Johnson
I think it comes down to not allowing that 5% of customers that are going to do the video streaming / movie watching / etc. over the internet to use your network. There is another 95% of people that just want to email and surf. Those are the customers you want. Send the others to cable or your

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs...

2008-11-30 Thread Mike Hammett
I think dialup ISPs used to say that about anything other than email or HTML only web browsing. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs...

2008-11-30 Thread Josh Luthman
Instead of turning the customers down you could explain to them you're losing money and up their rates. If they won't work with you then explain you can't do business with them. You'll find people are more willing to work with you then you might expect. On 11/30/08, Travis Johnson [EMAIL

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs...

2008-11-30 Thread Mike Hammett
He is 20 miles from Kalamazoo and Kalamazoo is serviced by at least KDL, US Signal, Level(3), Lightcore, and I believe GLC is there as well. I'm sure there's more out there. Grand Rapids isn't far away either. Charter is in his hometown (yes, they sell to WISPs, even will do fiber based

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs...

2008-11-30 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
I am certain you can do much better than that. And you don't even have to be in Chicago or Detroit. - Original Message - From: Harold Bledsoe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs...

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs...

2008-11-30 Thread Mike Hammett
There's certainly much cheaper bandwidth in those cities, but unless you're 1, maybe 2 fiber hops away and are buying 50 megs+, it isn't worth it. The number of Wireless hops vary. Once you hit say 100 megs or 150 megs, it's a different ball game. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs...

2008-11-30 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
Take GigE on fiber from them. Then use whatever microwave you can get to haul it to wherever you need to go. There is a huge price break when you go 100 mbps burstable on a GigE. You can wholesale enough on your way out of town to pay for the whole thing. But you must meet the tier 1/2 provider

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-30 Thread John Thomas
http://www.nefiber.com/ Recently, I learned that American Fiber Systems has InterCity Fiber Ring that connects Las Vegas, Reno/Carson City, Boise and Salt Lake on a fully redundant OC-192 capacity backbone. They aren't cheap on the low end at $2000/month for 5 meg burstable to 10, but I image

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs...

2008-11-30 Thread Travis Johnson
There are still some areas of this country that bandwidth is expensive even in high quantities. I currently have three OC3 connections and my cheapest provider is still over $30/Mbps because of the transport. I am 200 miles from any significant bandwidth (other than Qwest, which is still in

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs...

2008-11-30 Thread Travis Johnson
Also, I would like to point out, you are MUCH better to get smaller connections from at least two separate providers... yes, it will cost more, but even the big guys have outages. Case and point: two weeks ago our Qwest OC3 was completely down. None of our customers even noticed, because we

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs...

2008-11-30 Thread Blair Davis
We did try a wireless link to Chicago... If we could get space on Sears tower, it might work as I have a location with 250ft elevation over lake level on the lake shore. Distance is 94mi. Last time we looked, it was not quite possible, but equipment has improved in the last few years, so I'll

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs...

2008-11-30 Thread Blair Davis
35m to Kalamazoo, 35m to Grand Rapids, 30m to Holland. My bandwidth comes over fiber from Grand Rapids via Holland. Used to be T1's, but I saw the $700 T1's coming when verzion got their ruling in Texas that released them from wholesaling requirements. I had to defy my business partner to put