Re: [WISPA] tower erection question

2008-12-15 Thread eje
Wasn't it Rick Kunse (not sure spelling of last name the guy with the speed boat? I just did the base for a 120ft tower. Concrete, rebar, dirt work ran $8200 could gotten it a little cheaper but that guy was taking way to long on a different job so went with another company that cost a bit more

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-15 Thread Thomas P. Galla
I can say for the Tranzeo weather proofing rj45 setup is ok.. I haven't had any problems with it seeping water. We have been using these for 4 years (note I am knocking on wood right now) :) Thomas P Galla t...@bluegrass.net BluegrassNet Voice (502) 589.INET [4638] Fax 502-315-0581 321

Re: [WISPA] tower erection question

2008-12-15 Thread Mike Hammett
That would have been Rick Kunze. http://www.do-it-yourself-tower.com/ Where is he, anyway? I haven't heard from him in a long itme... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Tom DeReggi

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-15 Thread Patrick Leary
I'll chime in with a few comments: I admit to having been frustrated by the requirements in the 3.65 GHz ruling by the ambiguity of the cooperation requirements and for sure there are no first in rights. However, what I am seeing thus far in practice is that first movers do enjoy a meaningful

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-15 Thread Travis Johnson
Patrick, Could you please share the exact information about the FCC rejecting applications for the same tower? At ISPCon a month ago, there were several people there that had deployed 3.65 and had even registered on the same tower as other 3.65 people and the applications went through just

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-15 Thread Patrick Leary
Hi Travis, I wish I had specifics, but I don't have anything other than an anecdotal story told to me by Redline when I was at a conference. I had always been under the impression an operator could register for the same locations. Patrick From:

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-15 Thread 3-dB Networks
Patrick, Respectfully I have been told the exact opposite by a WISP that was going to do a large 3.65 deployment, except the local teleco registered all of the high ground in the area preventing them from registering their own sites. The teleco has no intention of deploying the gear, so now they

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-15 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, We are going to need specifics on this... because this is NOT what the FCC has said would happen nor is it what other people (at ISPCon) have said. There is another story of a telco that owns several of the "ground stations" that prevent others from registering 3.65 in that area... I

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-15 Thread Patrick Leary
I have always assumed multiple operators could register the same site too. Though I was skeptical (and remain so), Remi was really emphatic that the same site could not be registered and he mentioned that the Part 90 rule has some language that prevents multiple registrations. Like you, I'd need

[WISPA] SkyWi Sues Qwest for Racketeering Monopolistic Practices

2008-12-15 Thread George Rogato
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/SkyWi-Sues-Qwest-Racketeering-Monopolistic/story.aspx?guid={4118C3E4-CBC0-4B7B-ABA0-9E041B08A68A} Think they will win? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-15 Thread 3-dB Networks
Not sure how I can prove it... being that I didn't actually go through this but its what one of our customers told us (and they are not on the list). Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-15 Thread Gino Villarini
This is easy to confirm, just go ahead an register a base on a know site Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-15 Thread 3-dB Networks
I don't have a license to do it with :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

Re: [WISPA] SkyWi Sues Qwest for Racketeering Monopolistic Practices

2008-12-15 Thread Ron Harden
George: When I click on the link that you sent I get a Market Watch header, but a document not found message in the body of the narrative. FYI...Ron -Original Message- From: George Rogato [mailto:wi...@oregonfast.net] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 11:42 AM To: wireless@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] SkyWi Sues Qwest for Racketeering MonopolisticPractices

2008-12-15 Thread Mike Goicoechea
I had the same. I just added } or the rest of the link. Mike Goicoechea -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ron Harden Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 11:10 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] SkyWi

Re: [WISPA] SkyWi Sues Qwest for Racketeering Monopolistic Practices

2008-12-15 Thread George Rogato
Ron Try this one: http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2008/12/09/3844370.htm I think market watch url might have some session limitations. George Ron Harden wrote: George: When I click on the link that you sent I get a Market Watch header, but a document not found message in the body of the

Re: [WISPA] tower erection question

2008-12-15 Thread Tom DeReggi
Nope, the presentation I was referring to was WISPCONII day 3. Specialized - Building Your Own Tower - Learn how to select a site, pick the right tower, get construction approval, order all the components, and actually install your own communications tower. Also in this presentation the

[WISPA] Vecima 3.65 update

2008-12-15 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, Ok... we mounted the base station yesterday and put up the CPE at our office this morning. It's a 7 mile shot, and we have a -77 RSSI running at 16QAM. We are able to get up to 6Mbps x 6Mbps right now (can't do more because the base station has a limit of 6Mbps per CPE set right now).

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 update

2008-12-15 Thread Gino Villarini
What QOS are you using on that conenction? Berst effort? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 update

2008-12-15 Thread John Scrivner
I get 10 ms on every packet every time with no loss. I am using Redline with non-real time polling. Scriv On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: What QOS are you using on that conenction? Berst effort? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 update

2008-12-15 Thread Travis Johnson
We tried them all... best effort, non-polling real time, and polling real time. All the same latency. We are also using 5ms frame and 1/8 carrier. Travis Gino Villarini wrote: What QOS are you using on that conenction? Berst effort? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless

[WISPA] High CRC errors on RedMax?

2008-12-15 Thread John McDowell
Are there any RedMax operators out there that have begun to see really high CRC errors on their sectors? We've got two sectors that have seemingly gone from very clean to abnormally high CRC errors, effecting calls and slowing Internet speeds etc? We have a ticket open with redline support but I

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 update

2008-12-15 Thread John Scrivner
Switch to 1/4 carrier and 10 ms. I bet it clears up. Scriv On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: We tried them all... best effort, non-polling real time, and polling real time. All the same latency. We are also using 5ms frame and 1/8 carrier. Travis Gino

Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] High CRC errors on RedMax?

2008-12-15 Thread Eric Muehleisen
I've seen this when there is a bad SU registered. CRC's climb out of control. I have not seen this on multiple SU's before. It's typically singled out. Have you rebooted the AP recently. I'm running the latest beta code and have experience a couple of lockups over the past couple of months.

Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] High CRC errors on RedMax?

2008-12-15 Thread John McDowell
What code are you on? We're running 2.0.26.FCC On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:02 PM, Eric Muehleisen ericm...@gmail.comwrote: I've seen this when there is a bad SU registered. CRC's climb out of control. I have not seen this on multiple SU's before. It's typically singled out. Have you rebooted

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-15 Thread eje
Bring out your credit card and go get one. Run you a wooping $260 and take you about 10min to do. ;) /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:04:18 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] tower erection question

2008-12-15 Thread Mike Hammett
Odd, I swear that was Rick. Oh well... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 11:44 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] High CRC errors on RedMax?

2008-12-15 Thread Eric Muehleisen
2.1.8.FCCMade on: Sep 4 2008, 14:15:50 Also, we are using AN-100UX's not U's. -Eric John McDowell wrote: What code are you on? We're running 2.0.26.FCC On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:02 PM, Eric Muehleisen ericm...@gmail.com mailto:ericm...@gmail.com wrote: I've seen this when there

Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] High CRC errors on RedMax?

2008-12-15 Thread John McDowell
Have you got that file? On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:17 PM, Eric Muehleisen ericm...@gmail.comwrote: 2.1.8.FCCMade on: Sep 4 2008, 14:15:50 Also, we are using AN-100UX's not U's. -Eric John McDowell wrote: What code are you on? We're running 2.0.26.FCC On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-15 Thread 3-dB Networks
LOL but why would I... I'm not a WISP so I'll never deploy gear. Maybe it impresses girls ;-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of e...@wisp-router.com Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 11:12 AM

Re: [WISPA] tower erection question

2008-12-15 Thread Tom DeReggi
My understanding is that Rick also did a session, but it was a second one at a different season of WISPCON, I think. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] tower erection question

2008-12-15 Thread Mike Hammett
ah. Yeah, I'm not sure if I was at WISPCON 2 or not... 3 may have been my earliest, actually. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Sent: Monday, December 15,

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-15 Thread reader
I have a license and registered site. I'm about to find out exactly how the FCC intends to deal with this. The site owner is a bandwidth provider, and they signed a frequency coordination agreement with someone else, but I got my license and site first. The other' guy is objecting to my using

Re: [WISPA] tower erection question

2008-12-15 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Yeah that is right. I slept since then. Only one that I could think of was Rick that had done one but yes Jeremy did one to I think it was at an earlier WISPCon then Rick. I think Rick did his on WISPCon III. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] tower erection question

2008-12-15 Thread Tom DeReggi
Yep, Ricks session was WispCon3 Specialized - Do It Yourself Tower Installations - A Case History - This is a step by step trials and tribulations of one WISPs experience in erecting his own, large tower. Panelists: Rick Kunze Moderator: Jeremy Kinsey Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc

[WISPA] Winter connectivity issues

2008-12-15 Thread Mark McElvy
I have 4 tower locations, only one seems to be having issues. Last week, then today I have a few customers on one tower having slow connection issues. High ping times from less than 1 ms to 4-500ms with packet loss. The one complaining customer has a -56 @ client end and -60 @ AP. The common

Re: [WISPA] Weather proofing antennas

2008-12-15 Thread Adam Goodman
Sorry about all the typos in my earlier post. As I mentioned, we use the wx2100. Over the weekend I had the pleasure of visiting one of our tower sites after a couple of day with freezing rain. I noticed that there was almost no ice on any of our dishes. Our neighbor seemed to have ice on his.

Re: [WISPA] Winter connectivity issues

2008-12-15 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Are any of your links not line of sight? I have to back off power on some of my clients because in the summer they are fine but in the winter when the leaves fall off I get a lot of multi-path which causes poor performance. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405

Re: [WISPA] Winter connectivity issues

2008-12-15 Thread Mark McElvy
The ones that seem to have issues are close and LOS the further ones seem to be ok. Mark -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 3:45 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] Winter connectivity issues

2008-12-15 Thread Josh Luthman
In my experience water in the connector makes the RSSI drop from mid -60s to -90s Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 4:59

Re: [WISPA] Winter connectivity issues

2008-12-15 Thread Mark McElvy
Signal levels are stable. Ping times are erratic and Customers complain of slow internet. PPPoE will not stay connected. Mark -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 5:00 PM To:

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 update

2008-12-15 Thread Gino Villarini
its all part of how the Wimax MAC works ..., Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 update

2008-12-15 Thread Travis Johnson
So did you get your latency down from 30-40ms? I remember you were having the same problem a few weeks ago with the Redline stuff? Travis Gino Villarini wrote: its all part of how the Wimax MAC works ..., Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 update

2008-12-15 Thread Randy Cosby
The line I've heard from the Wimax companies is that the latency may be higher, but the jitter is very low -- ie: you'll get the same latency consistently, and that's good for voip / video. Randy Travis Johnson wrote: So did you get your latency down from 30-40ms? I remember you were

Re: [WISPA] Winter connectivity issues

2008-12-15 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
have you tried different channels? Mark McElvy wrote: Signal levels are stable. Ping times are erratic and Customers complain of slow internet. PPPoE will not stay connected. Mark -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of

Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] Winter connectivity issues

2008-12-15 Thread Josh Luthman
Multiple CPEs on the same AP? On 12/15/08, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: Signal levels are stable. Ping times are erratic and Customers complain of slow internet. PPPoE will not stay connected. Mark -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] Winter connectivity issues

2008-12-15 Thread Mark McElvy
12, all Tranzeo CPQ except one. Mark -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 6:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] Winter connectivity issues Multiple CPEs

Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] Winter connectivity issues

2008-12-15 Thread Josh Luthman
All of the CPEs on that one AP? Or all of the Tranzeo CPEs on that AP? On 12/15/08, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: 12, all Tranzeo CPQ except one. Mark -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent:

Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] Winter connectivity issues

2008-12-15 Thread Mark McElvy
There are 12 clients total on the AP -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 7:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] Winter connectivity issues All of the CPEs

Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] Winter connectivity issues

2008-12-15 Thread Josh Luthman
Tried rebooting the AP and changing channels yet? Do you have the capability to try a CPE of your own in a good position both near and far from the tower? On 12/15/08, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: There are 12 clients total on the AP -Original Message- From:

[WISPA] Tranzeo TR902 missing features

2008-12-15 Thread John Valenti
I started using Tranzeo for 900MHz a few months back. When they work, they seem to do pretty well. But I'm having trouble debugging them. I haven't found a method for the following, maybe I'm missing something? - login to the client (or even AP) radio, use ping to check connectivity

Re: [WISPA] SkyWi Sues Qwest for Racketeering Monopolistic Practices

2008-12-15 Thread George Rogato
I wish someone would beat them in court. We're trying to beat them in the marketplace: http://www.oregonfast.net/gofast/Radio/09-17-08%20fire%20your%20phone%20company%20mixed.mp3 George Ron Harden wrote: That worked...thx George. This is another example of the Bells flexing their

Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo TR902 missing features

2008-12-15 Thread Josh Luthman
Those among many other advanced things are why I am using Mikrotik over Tranzeo on the software aspect. Please hear our plea, Tranzeo! On 12/15/08, John Valenti vale...@lir.msu.edu wrote: I started using Tranzeo for 900MHz a few months back. When they work, they seem to do pretty well. But I'm

[WISPA] Colored Lanyards

2008-12-15 Thread Scott Vander Dussen
I'd like to pick up some new nylon web lanyards for tower work but was hoping to get something other than the common yellow. I think it'd be an extra layer of safety to have different colored lanyards - if they're all the same color it's easier to get them mixed up which one you're clipping or

Re: [WISPA] Colored Lanyards

2008-12-15 Thread 3-dB Networks
A few different colors, they might be able to help you: http://www.midwestunlimited.com/gallery.lasso?cat_master=1002cat_level=1023 Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Vander Dussen

Re: [WISPA] Survey Comments: 2. Do you see value in raising WISPA feesto allow for more efficient lobbying efforts with the FCC andother Government Entities

2008-12-15 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Comments inline: 9. I'm conflicted on this. I'm not sure WISPA is having any real effect, but I'm not sure they are not. [We believe we had a major impact in the TV Whitespaces NPRM and outcome, it has taught us the importance of strong legal counsel in Washington DC and

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-15 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
On to the CPE: This is one of the worst designs of a CPE that I have ever seen. The entire unit is made by Tranzeo and looks just like their normal 2.4 CPE. It has the bar of lights on the top showing Power, LAN, RSSI, etc. The mounting bracket is the L bracket that bolts to the back and has

[WISPA] U.S. Adults Choosing Internet Over Sex

2008-12-15 Thread Eje Gustafsson
http://www.informationweek.com/news/internet/reporting/showArticle.jhtml?art icleID=212500440subSection=News Thought this article was pretty funny reading... So wanted to share it.. / Eje WISPA Wants You!

Re: [WISPA] U.S. Adults Choosing Internet Over Sex

2008-12-15 Thread Charles Wu (CTI)
The wife's in bed and I'm still...responding to message on this listserv =/ -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 11:57 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] U.S.

Re: [WISPA] Survey Comments: 2. Do you see value in raising WISPA feesto allow for more efficient lobbying efforts with the FCC andother Government Entities

2008-12-15 Thread Blair Davis
Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Got the FCC to agree that a routed group of individual AP's could fall under the same higher powered 2.4ghz rules as active antennas. Too bad no one built and certified a system of 8 or 10 ap's with very narrow sectors (how about 24db grids :-). Did you guys