Many of our customers want a paper bill. When we switched, we first did it
voluntarily. Not many changed. Not enough to matter.
When we mandated it we gave them an option of still getting a paper bill but
we charge for that. I think we'll next do that with credit card payment.
Sure we'll
Very sad indeed.
I don't think they should be giving awards away for incidents when
people die at work. Even if the person made a mistake like that.
It was not funny to me at all.
But some have a weird sense of humor.
Me, I see no humor in a death or falling off a tower
Blair Davis wrote:
Not to say thats not right. The whole point of the Darwin awards was
that the people who died have died in the most stupidest way, that they
did the entire human population a favor by eliminating themselves from
the gene pool. There is a movie even on it.Like the guy who
strapped a Jato
For those who may be using Google's branded services for ISPs can
someone tell me where to go to find more information and how is it
working for you. Currently we are running our email services on an out
of production email server that is no longer supported and behind a
Barracuda SF for spam
When climbing how many think let's tie off in two places because this
first piece of angle iron is going to fall off?
On 1/6/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote:
Not to say thats not right. The whole point of the Darwin awards was
that the people who died have died
Love it. Couldn't expect a better service.
HTTP://goinx.com
On 1/6/09, Patrick Nix Jr. pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote:
For those who may be using Google's branded services for ISPs can
someone tell me where to go to find more information and how is it
working for you. Currently we are
So where do you go to sign up?
__
Patrick Nix, Jr.,
csweb.net
(918) 235-0414
http://www.csweb.net
E-Mail: pni...@csweb.net
ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is
For those who may be using Google's branded services for ISPs can
someone tell me where to go to find more information and how is it
working for you. Currently we are running our email services on an out
of production email server that is no longer supported and behind a
Barracuda SF for
Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm climbing... but when I am in a
position I am going to be working at I tie off in two different places just
in case... because you never know what might happen.
Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com
-Original Message-
From:
I mean this sincerely - I just googled it and found it.
Try looking for google apps partner edition
On 1/6/09, Patrick Nix Jr. pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote:
So where do you go to sign up?
__
Patrick Nix, Jr.,
csweb.net
(918) 235-0414
If you only host your OWN domain, this looks like a good solution. If you
host your CUSTOMER's domains, it is not, at least when I researched it
before we went with Everyone.Net.
Mark Nash
UnwiredWest
78 Centennial Loop
Suite E
Eugene, OR 97401
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
For the customer's domain we use Google Apps as well. Case in point,
imaginenetworksllc.com - my.imaginenetworksllc.com or
mail.imaginenetworksllc.com
On 1/6/09, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote:
If you only host your OWN domain, this looks like a good solution. If you
host your CUSTOMER's
Patrick Nix Jr. wrote:
For those who may be using Google's branded services for ISPs can
someone tell me where to go to find more information and how is it
working for you.
If I were starting a new outfit today, I'd probably just let them do all
the hard work, and host all my users' email.
What I do is ask them to use the web interface and give one of the many
reasons why.
If they simply say no or don't like it, I walk them through setting up one
account with POP/IMAP on whatever client and then say you're on you're own
for support as you introduce tons of viruses and malware when
http://www.google.com/a/help/intl/en/partners/index.html
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Patrick Nix Jr.
pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote:
For those who may be using Google's branded services for ISPs can
someone tell me where to go to find more information and how is it
working for you.
Looks like it. It was all automated when we did it - never contacted
someone from Google.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009
I don't know if it is because we use the premier edition but POP3 or
IMAP is turned on automatically by checking POP3 or IMAP twice in a
row. The first time if fails but the second time it succeeds, no
logging into the account manually.
Thanks,
_
/-\ ndrew
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 9:35 AM, David
Never heard that before. I always assumed that you have to give Gmail time
to propagate the enabling of the IMAP or POP services. I can't stand local
clients anymore so my experience is pretty limited.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH
When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off with?
Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to move it that you
are then not tied off at all?
3-dB Networks wrote:
Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm climbing... but when I am in a
position I am going to be working
Using Google hosted email is ok, but, has some drawbacks. Namely the SSL
cert and funky IMAP support. If it could be better integrated into a
website (IE, into my.foo.com instead of google.com/a/my.foo.com) I would
love it. Maybe that can be done with a better understanding of the
Google API?
No... when I climb one lanyard is attached to the tower at all times. Or I
am attached to a cable break or something similar at all times.
To be tied off in two different places while climbing at all times would
require three lanyards, or two lanyards and a safe climb device of some sort
(cable
It makes sense the way you explained it. So when you climb you use two
lanyards.
half the time 1 lanyard is connected and the other half two lanyards are
connected.
Is that right?
3-dB Networks wrote:
No... when I climb one lanyard is attached to the tower at all times. Or I
am attached to
Right... 100% tie off at all times.
What I'm getting at though is when I get to the position I am going to be
working at... I'm 200% tied off (or I have both lanyards attached to the
tower at a minimum... and to different anchor points if possible... just in
case)
Daniel White
3-dB Networks
There's always ACH, which has lower fees than credit card.
Many banks have a check reader that you have at your premises Once you scan
the checks through, it deposits directly into your account... all without
having to take the check to the bank.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing
Only problem is that according to what Google said at the last ISPCon they are
not doing it for free anymore. :-(
-Layne
Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org on behalf of Patrick Nix Jr.
Sent: Tue 1/6/2009 8:51 AM
To: WISPA General List
;-) j/p
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:59 AM, John McDowell j...@boonlink.com wrote:
If Chuck was climbing it was probably petrified wood. He's been around a
while...
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
What is this wood? Is it like primitive
They still train you in that fashion, I believe.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
--
From: Chuck McCown ch...@beehive.net
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:49 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
You just put your gloved hands on each side of the pole. Kinda like the
guys that climb palm trees with nothing.
You have hooks on your feet so that is what is keeping you on the pole.
Your hands keep you from falling backwards but there isn't much force on
your hands if you are doing it
Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than our hooks
and hands. Once you got up, then you would throw the one single belt around
the pole. Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 feet. Enough to
hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you. I burned one pole
I don't think you have to contact them if you are going to use the
standard plan. We didn't.
Adam
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
Looks like it. It was all automated when we did it - never contacted
someone from Google.
Josh Luthman
Office:
What is this wood? Is it like primitive steel? =)
Did the pole have hooks like a gen pole? What did the person hold on to
when climbing?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it,
And 15 years ago most people climbed towers freestyle... all this safety
gear is still relatively new isn't it
Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent:
For the partner edition I didn't. Neither the standard for my
customers. I am doing premier at the time of this writing and have
not spoken with anyone.
On 1/6/09, Adam Goodman a...@wispring.com wrote:
I don't think you have to contact them if you are going to use the
standard plan. We
As a ENET distributor, I'll agree with Mark. After testing various hosted
services for 18 months, I decided on ENET back in
2006. For a hosted service I feel it is the best all around email service you
can offer your customers. We use ENET mostly
for backup continuity and for clients looking
I remember years ago carrying a cable TV employee from
the hospital in Hendersonville TN to Vanderbilt hospital in
Nashville after he slid a pole.
Fractured legs X2, and abraisions and splinters ALL over.
I do mean ALL over
Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down
Chuck McCown wrote:
Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than our hooks
and hands. Once you got up, then you would throw the one single belt around
the pole. Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 feet. Enough to
hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill
The ENET customizable portal is really cool. You can customize just about
everything you want about the look feel of the webmail interface. You can
give your customers admin access to their own domain as well, while you
still control system-wide settings. We moved 3 servers into their service
I did a lot of climbing before I bothered to be Comtrain certified... after
the fact... even though I was using the right gear, I realized that many
things I was doing were wrong.
I strongly recommend anyone climbing towers should take a tower climbing
course... Comtrain was great but I'm sure
I hate to hijack this thread but this brings to mind another question:
With respect to WISP's, what is the definition of CGS (Cost of Goods
Sold)?
-RickG
On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Shiraz Moosajee shi...@jabbroadband.com wrote:
Matt,
You would generally count just the one unique customer.
I also recommend the ComTrain course. I sent a staff member to it who
I knew was climbing even when I'd said we'd use a tower company to do
it. He just didn't like to wait, and yes, he was completely fearless.
He came back a chastened man with truly the fear of god put into
him. . He
The cost of tangable items invoiced. For example if you sell the customer the
cpe, the cost of that is the radio, dish, connectors, cable, mount, poe
injector, cable ties, lags, surge protector, etc.
Labor does not fall under cogs
Sent from my Windows Mobile® phone.
-Original
What about the WISP as a whole. Example: What about bandwidth?
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Jerry Richardson
jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote:
The cost of tangable items invoiced. For example if you sell the customer the
cpe, the cost of that is the radio, dish, connectors, cable, mount, poe
Good question. I believe it would also fall under cogs.
Sent from my Windows Mobile® phone.
-Original Message-
From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 12:07 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] what should ARPU mean?
What about the
I don't think this can be done well. For example, if the definition
is going to cover the United States the same service needs to be
available in that area.
In some parts of our network we have 5.8 coverage - nearly 30 megs
available. These customers can do 2, 4 and 6 meg packages. The other
Frank Muto wrote:
As a ENET distributor, I'll agree with Mark. After testing various hosted
services for 18 months, I decided on ENET back in
2006. For a hosted service I feel it is the best all around email service you
can offer your customers. We use ENET mostly
for backup continuity
We are not using their free service. I usually don't use free services. I
am of the mindset that you get what you pay for. Sometimes you luck out and
there are success stories, but by and large I steer clear of unpaid
services. I feel that you always pay, somehow.
Mark Nash
UnwiredWest
78
We used the Google Apps service for about a year completely free - no
problems. We finally purchased it to make us feel worthy of being Google
customers. Got a few bells and whistles by paying for it, too.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH
Every once in a rare while, an amazing Vendor experience occurs, and when it
does, I feel its worthy to share it with my peers.
Its not easy earning my business. I shop savy, am well informed, tend to
overly procastinate, and favor pre-existing relationships.
There were many reason that I was
When I climb, I am clipped into three different areas while working
away.
Freestyle, phew, glad I missed that part of it. I have been climbing for
about 4 years I couldn't imagine using some of the stuff people used to
use.
-Cameron
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
Well, it may not be funny, but it does demonstrate a very important point.
That it is very easy to lose focus, and not be cautious of the obvious.
Its sorta like, most car accidents happen within a mile of their own house,
where they are most familiar
There are reasons, they teach you to never
When free climbing, you are very careful. Perhaps more careful than with
multiple lanyards.
I can remember placing each hand in a slow deliberate manner. Did not want
to be surprised by a sharp metal burr or stinging insect on whatever I was
grabbing.
- Original Message -
From:
I would say these discussions are kind of meaning less because these
definitions are different from one accountant to another. But if the
question is rephrased how to does you guys define your COGS. Because even
if people are WISPs there are so many different approaches to being a WISP
on these
I am looking for outdoor video cameras, that gets power via poe and is
wifi. Any suggestions/recommendations.Thanks..
http://www.aerowire.net
Alan Long
Director of Network Operations
Aerowire
http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmapaddr=687+North+Dean+Roadcsz=Aubu
inscape data ?
Alan Long wrote:
I am looking for outdoor video cameras, that gets power via poe and is
wifi. Any suggestions/recommendations.Thanks..
http://www.aerowire.net
Alan Long
Director of Network Operations
Aerowire
Hi all,
Do you pay per job or hourly for installers? Do you mind sharing what
rates you charge for either?
Thanks
Martha
--
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DC Access, LLC
202-546-5898
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Saw this on ComTrain's site. Notice Jonathon Guilford...he was the guy in
the Dateline special from our hometown of Fort Payne. His brother Harold now
works for me. One of these deaths was from 8 feet, by the way...just goes to
show...100% tie off no matter how high.
Mobotix is your best bet.
Tom S.
- Original Message -
From: Alan Long alan.l...@aerowire.net
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 2:19 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Outdoor video camera
I am looking for outdoor video cameras, that gets power via poe and
I think what he means is he does not tie off to two different angle
irons, stairs, ect while climbing.
But when positioned does tie off to at least two different parts of the
tower in case a bolt fails or something. (one hook on the ladder, the
other in a tower leg)
George Rogato wrote:
Exactly.
Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 4:20 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
I think what he means
Am I the only one left that thinks it's just a bit strange that google seems
to be in a position to know almost everything that there is to know about
what happens on the internet? Even your personal emails now?
Google has become far too Orwellian even for me!
shudder
marlon
- Original
When climbing tower you should always have at least 4 points contact with the
tower at all times. So when moving hands and feet you should have two fall
arrestors attached to the tower neither of them on he same rung. When moving
the fall arrestors both feet should be stationary and one hand
I'll confirm that... the cage is supposed to prevent you from actually
falling... so it is consider fall restraint and no other protection is
technically needed (although I have used a harness and lanyards on them
before because I didn't trust the cage and I had to have it on at the top).
I have seriously thought about putting a cable going up the center of
the ladders on all the elevator legs we're on. There is already one on
the leg that has no cage. Then we could clip on a go, with either a
belt or a light harness (unlike my big sit down elk river harness that
is a little
Google's motto is Don't be evil :)
On 1/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote:
Am I the only one left that thinks it's just a bit strange that google seems
to be in a position to know almost everything that there is to know about
what happens on the internet? Even your personal
I don't think that you will find an attachment point on a grain leg
safety rated for 5,000lbs. At least I don't know of any on the grain
legs we are on. Seems like you are climbing it too much if you need a
cable.
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
We free climb inside the cage, but tie in on the working platforms.
Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
What do you guys do on elevator/grain legs that have cages around
them. Usually it's like a 100ft ladder.
Brian
Chuck McCown wrote:
I used to free climb towers. Some of them had so
There is a railing on all the ones that I am on. But it is good to know
we are doing as osha would. That means we are safe. I have been pretty
worried about it for the last year since I hired help. I guess this
will put me at ease.
Brian
3-dB Networks wrote:
I'll confirm that... the cage
Well, lately we have backed off. But for the last 8 months, it seemed
like a couple legs a day (30 sites). So much for the cheap route I
went
Brian
Chuck Hogg wrote:
I don't think that you will find an attachment point on a grain leg
safety rated for 5,000lbs. At least I don't
I'd still make sure you wear a good pair of gloves, good pair of boots, and
technically you should probably have a hard hat and safety glasses on too.
But technically it sounds like your okay in OSHA's eyes... although my
experience has shown OSHA inspectors are a PITA
Daniel White
3-dB Networks
That's correct. Not required if there is a cage around the ladder. I
would still use one though
3-dB Networks wrote:
I'll confirm that... the cage is supposed to prevent you from actually
falling... so it is consider fall restraint and no other protection is
technically needed (although
Climbing a couple legs a day? WOW! I have a lot more repeaters than
that and we usually only revisit to upgrade or repair. We're mostly
MikroTik and went and upgraded one of our longest uptime AP's last week.
130+ plus of uptime. What gear are you using that needs to be revisited
so often?
MT, but it's all fixed now. Within the last your I have all new APs and
PtP 5.8 backhauls. It had been a mixture of crap for the 3 yrs
previous. We also had a crazy problem with the cheap wiligear cards I
tried to use for the backhauls. They made the radios reboot at crazy
times. Some
What cards are you using? Compex and ubnt has been good to me.
On 1/6/09, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net wrote:
MT, but it's all fixed now. Within the last your I have all new APs and
PtP 5.8 backhauls. It had been a mixture of crap for the 3 yrs
previous. We also had a crazy
Hi Tom
I just installed a Mobotix cam.
Very cool looking piece of equipment. I think the cam was 1,400.00
All I can say other than great cam, is, I wish I was in the business of
selling a wierd plastic shape with some circuitry and a lense for 1,400.00
Anyways we both were happy with it.
George
I won't let anyone that works for me free climb. I ain't gonna have to
telll someones family sorry your loved one fell from 50' and died.
Chuck McCown wrote:
When free climbing, you are very careful. Perhaps more careful than with
multiple lanyards.
I can remember placing each hand in a
In the eye of the government the fall arrest cable system must meet the
design requirement of the ladder it serves. S... You can't really
just throw up a cable system on a ladder and use it. It needs to be
designed so it will meet all the fall requirements, anchor standards,
etc, etc.
When I was on your side of the business (working for an integrator), I
took the two-day ComTrain course. I usually worked the ground, prepared
loads and worked the winch or tag lines. I was not interested (nor my
wife) in working at height.
But the course taught me valuable lessons; first, I
The radio station sent me this new ad for my voip offering.
Can I get some feedback on it, what if anything should change?
http://www.oregonfast.net/gofast/Radio/sp04221.mp3
Thanks
George
WISPA Wants You! Join
I couldn't get it to play. Any way to make it an attachment?
- Original Message -
From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:41 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Voip commercial
The radio station sent me this new ad for my
Hi George,
They also have the M22 models which are around $800. Still quite a bit, but
the capabilities of the firmware are mind-boggling. Fantastic image quality,
internal recording, 3-megapixel sensor, hi-res electronic zoom,
ultra-efficient compression, analytics, etc. etc. Confusing German
Whats enet web address?
Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mark Nash
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 3:15 PM
My rule has always been 1 man on the ground or at least nearby with a two
way radio. Anything big (you have to climb on the structure, no
ladder/elevator) 1 person watching. My thought process is in the event
something does happen, someone is there to help and the person climbing
isn't stuck in
Chuck,
wget http://www.oregonfast.net/gofast/Radio/sp04221.mp3
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 10:57 PM, Chuck McCown -
lol
So was Hitler's I think! grin
It's just too strange for me.
marlon
- Original Message -
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google's email services for ISPs
I was taught, many years ago, that you NEVER do aerial work alone.
Never.
I always have someone on the ground. If to do nothing besides call 911.
Josh Luthman wrote:
My rule has always been 1 man on the ground or at least nearby with a two
way radio. Anything big (you have to climb on
Exactly - if one is unconscious on a tower what is to help them if for not
someone on the ground?
If everyone followed just a small list of safety rules we could prevent the
stories like this...
http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/tower-climbing-deadly-job/2008-07-09
Josh Luthman
Office:
I thought it was just my machine. WMP wouldn't play it so I had to open
it in VLC player.
Chuck McCown - 3 wrote:
I couldn't get it to play. Any way to make it an attachment?
- Original Message -
From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Didn't even think of that - I was thinking he had a Quicktime plugin for his
browser...
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at
everyone.net
Mark Nash
UnwiredWest
78 Centennial Loop
Suite E
Eugene, OR 97401
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
http://www.unwiredwest.com
- Original Message -
From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 1:11 PM
Subject:
Chuck Profito
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