Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-12 Thread Tom DeReggi
LOL. I do. Wireless technology :-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 1:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need

Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions

2009-02-12 Thread Tom DeReggi
I do not understand why this is going under the NTIA umbrella rather than RUS. Any ideas on that? Yes. They didn't want Rural advocates to take all the money. Plus, RBOC want all the money for next generation fiber to the home, in more profitable areas to serve than rural. Also, its a

Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-12 Thread reader
My Dodge that's now a bucket truck... I towed a trailer with it to Klamath Falls and back... with the empty trailer, it was 13 mpg. Coming back, I had a 13,000 tractor on it. Truck and trailer total was 27,000 and I got 10.5 mpg, and even a 6% grade didn't get us down under 45mph. I

Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-12 Thread reader
dodge is expecting to have a Cummins powered half ton in 2010 or 2011 model year. It's expected to be able to pull off near 30 mpg. Ford and Toyota dropped their plans for light duty diesel pickups, Chrysler has not. I would not even think of owning a Mahindra. They're known around the

[WISPA] tower site management

2009-02-12 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Hi All, I've got a tower owner that's got a now nearly empty tower or about 80' on the top of a 700 foot hill. He doesn't want the hassle of dealing with people that would like to go up there. He would, however, be interested in more rent money. It's been suggested that I manage the site and

Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions

2009-02-12 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
On the up side, we already deliver advanced broadband out here. And NONE of the cell phone companies do. Heck, I only know of one town that has DSL of 2 megs up. marlon - Original Message - From: St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February

Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-12 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Not on the highway it won't. grin That's the biggest reason I didn't even look at one. Highway miles (almost all of my 30k+ per year miles) are often no better than any other rig. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner

2009-02-12 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Get rid of Norton. It's crap software these days. www.trendmicro.com or www.stop-sign.com are much better. Norton and MacAfee make my phone ring all of the time. Stop Sign has been amazing. marlon - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com To: WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-12 Thread Chuck Bartosch
Right-the primary reason a hybrid saves gas is by recovering *some* otherwise wasted braking energy. But you'd get better mileage by not breaking in the first place, which you don't hopefully do a lot of on the highway. Chuck On Feb 12, 2009, at 8:54 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Not on

Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-12 Thread eje
That description is not hybrid. Its called KERS (Kinetic Energy Recovery System) and is a technique used to recharge the batteries in a hybrid car without using the gas engine to recharge the battery. Most hybrid cars have a battery driven engine and a gas powered engine. when driving it will

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-12 Thread Charles Wu
Dragonwave did not ship $50mil last year, it was closer to $40Mil - and by the way they are losing tons of money quarter-after-quarter. Trango is, and has always been profitable. Well you can read Dragonwave's latest financial statement here...

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-12 Thread Josh Luthman
From what I gather in this post my synopsis is as follows. Both Dragonwave and Trango are fine ptp products with small differences. Both companies have problems either financially or historically. I think the geeks in us care about the products and the operation managers in us care about the

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-12 Thread jp
We are facing two simultaneous issues at some of our sites. I'm sure we're not the only ones with such dilemas. 1. We've run out of 5.8ghz spectrum. This can be addressed by changing to 5.4ghz or 3.65ghz for some of the shorter backhauls. 2. The normal 5ghz upto-45mbps stuff isn't fast enough

Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-12 Thread Mike Hammett
It was a combined 40 mpg. You're correct in that hybrids don't have any better highway mpg than regular engines. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent:

Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-12 Thread Josh Luthman
Hmm that's an interesting footnote the green peace doesn't leave. Not better at all on the highway? On 2/12/09, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: It was a combined 40 mpg. You're correct in that hybrids don't have any better highway mpg than regular engines. - Mike Hammett

Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-12 Thread Randy Cosby
Well, I wouldn't say not better at all. They are somewhat better, but the bigger benefit is in the city where you brake alot, have stop and go traffic, etc. City mileage will be better than highway. I get 35ish highway, 42ish city in my first generation (2001) prius. Randy Josh Luthman

Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-12 Thread Mike Hammett
Depends on your definition of highway, but not due to the hybrid itself. Better aerodynamics and powertrain engineering may make it better. The hybrid technology runs out of juice before what I consider highway would have elapsed. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions

Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-12 Thread CHUCK PROFITO
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Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-12 Thread Tom DeReggi
I wanted to clear up, a signficant undersight in my previous post. There are additional options for 100mbps FDX 24Ghz unlicensed link. Cable-Free wireless, http://www.cablefree.co.uk/ has a 24Ghz unlicensed product shipping, for sub $9k. Likely significantly less, but I'll leave detailed price

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-12 Thread Charles Wu
Unfortunately, it's the same as getting a new license...the only difference comes in application fees If it's a BRAND NEW tower with nothing -- you pay the FCC $640 / site for a new application If it's a MODIFICATION to an existing tower with a license -- you pay the FCC $240 / site for a

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-12 Thread Charles Wu
My personal opinion regarding point-to-point links is that it boils down solely to price technical specifications When talking about Point-to-Point links (as opposed to a Point-to-Multipoint system) -- company sustainability / support (be it Dragonwave vs. Trango) isn't really that crucial,

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-12 Thread Charles Wu
For one of our busy sites right now, we have two 5ghz links to it in order to have good speed, as one wasn't enough (and the redundancy was a good byproduct). I would love a few cost effective 2 mile links that don't need licensing, doesn't use 5ghz and can do 200mbps actual data or faster. If

Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions

2009-02-12 Thread St. Louis Broadband
The Senate bill asks for advanced broadband to be 100mbps. AND only fiber, Powerline, and PtMP is eligible, PTP wireless is not eligible under the amended Sentate bill That is crazy. What is crazier is the other technologies they are suggesting...Powerline and PtMP and 100 megs...humm. On

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-12 Thread Gino Villarini
Charles, Thanks for the prompt response , I was thinking more on availability. Say I'm on a crowded area, what would be the chances of not getting the license? Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Feb 12, 2009, at 2:24 PM, Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com wrote: Unfortunately, it's the same

Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions

2009-02-12 Thread Tom DeReggi
Its what happens when polititions make technical decissions on soemthing they no nothing about. Most legislators don't realize the implications of the text that was written. But the lobby group that suggested the text certainly did. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-12 Thread Bob Moldashel
The biggest thing I look for is who has my back when there is an outage. (Unfortunately at this point I have zero experience with Trango licensed equipment so I can't comment there.) I have dealt with Ceragon, Harris/Stratex, Dragonwave and others. All make good product. While pricing may make

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-12 Thread Gino Villarini
On a similar subject, where I would report a operating 18 ghz link without license ? Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Feb 12, 2009, at 2:24 PM, Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com wrote: Unfortunately, it's the same as getting a new license...the only difference comes in application fees

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-12 Thread 3-dB Networks
Sure... at the end of the day I guess that is all I care about too. But if your ODU fails in two years... and the company you purchased it from no longer exists... your kinda screwed aren't you? Long term support should always be taken into consideration. For instance... look at

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-12 Thread 3-dB Networks
I'm worried that my tower gets hit by lightning... and the company has gone bankrupt so I have to buy a complete new link instead of just one ODU. That's a major cost... and I don't think there is going to be major improvements in the licensed world in the next few years... so I'd bet I'll be

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-12 Thread 3-dB Networks
But not FCC Fees or power supplies :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 11:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-12 Thread 3-dB Networks
I'd hazard a guess you should be okay... Only way to tell is to do the RF Study and find out :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday,

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-12 Thread Gino Villarini
I bought a DW 24ghz link for about $11k back in 10/08 2 footers with 150 Mbps capacity Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Feb 12, 2009, at 3:34 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: The biggest thing I look for is who has my back when there is an outage. (Unfortunately at this

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-12 Thread lakeland
Don't get me started on Motorola. IMHO they screwed up the Orthogon thing big time when they bought that company. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:47:09 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-12 Thread Josh Luthman
I have heard nothing but good things about Orthogon before Bob there... On 2/12/09, lakel...@gbcx.net lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: Don't get me started on Motorola. IMHO they screwed up the Orthogon thing big time when they bought that company. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-12 Thread Gino Villarini
Why ? Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Feb 12, 2009, at 4:14 PM, lakel...@gbcx.net lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: Don't get me started on Motorola. IMHO they screwed up the Orthogon thing big time when they bought that company. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-12 Thread jp
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 12:33:41PM -0600, Charles Wu wrote: For one of our busy sites right now, we have two 5ghz links to it in order to have good speed, as one wasn't enough (and the redundancy was a good byproduct). I would love a few cost effective 2 mile links that don't need licensing,

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-12 Thread Travis Johnson
Another item that I would like to bring up... the US economy is in sad shape right now. So, if you are looking to buy a licensed radio set, are you better to send your money to Canada, or keep it here in the US? For all practical and "reasonable" items, DW and Trango both have a great ptp

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-12 Thread Matt Liotta
On Feb 12, 2009, at 3:55 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: And, CTI has published their exact pricing for the Trango. Why is nobody else putting out the DW price? I don't know, but our last quote from CTI had the DW coming in less than Trango. -Matt

[WISPA] broadband underserved data

2009-02-12 Thread Matt Liotta
Where can I obtain broadband underserved data? -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:

Re: [WISPA] broadband underserved data

2009-02-12 Thread Brian Webster
I think it's going to vary by state Matt. I have yet to see any publicly available source on a nationwide basis, although the form 477 database would work nicely for that. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on

Re: [WISPA] broadband underserved data

2009-02-12 Thread Matt Liotta
Seems like the FCC should publish that. Does WISPA know someone at the FCC who we can ask? -Matt On Feb 12, 2009, at 4:28 PM, Brian Webster wrote: I think it's going to vary by state Matt. I have yet to see any publicly available source on a nationwide basis, although the form 477

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-12 Thread Charles Wu
Charles, Thanks for the prompt response , I was thinking more on availability. Say I'm on a crowded area, what would be the chances of not getting the license? Hard to say...but keep in mind, we were able to get that license for you after Micronet said no-go That said, even though you have to

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-12 Thread Jeff Ehman
Only half of the truth. Was the quote less... yes. Is it related to the conversation right now (i.e. Apex line vs. Dragonwave)... no. NOT APPLES TO APPLES. The particular quote was for a Trango GIGA line, not APEX (need for T-1 ports). In order to get the reliability needed, we had to quote

[WISPA] 3.65 Hpol sector antenna

2009-02-12 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, Looking for a horizontally polarized 3.65ghz sector antenna. Something between 60 and 120 degrees. We have the Pac Wireless one installed now, but the performance seems to be lacking (maybe because it's only rated up to 3.60ghz?). We are off almost 10db from the path calcs. Any other

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-12 Thread Travis Johnson
Jeff, Can we put this to bed already? :) The Trango APEX with 2ft dishes and frequency coordination is $9,995 right now. Not sure how much the 300Mbps license key is? And the PoE and -48v power supplies? Can you please quote a _complete_ Trango APEX system and a _complete_ DW comparable

Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions

2009-02-12 Thread reader
And everyone said I was a fool when I said the govenrment needed to stay OUT of the broadband business insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent:

Re: [WISPA] broadband underserved data

2009-02-12 Thread Rick Harnish
Matt, You may find what you are looking for in some of the reports on this page. http://www.fcc.gov/wcb/iatd/comp.html Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 4:36 PM To:

Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner

2009-02-12 Thread reader
I have not had a single customer call or complaint from the users of Avast! anti-virus. It's pretty much just as effective as those phony firewall things, and an excellent anti-virus. Not to mention... it's FREE.A sizeable portion of my customer base has switched from Norton and

Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-12 Thread Chuck Bartosch
Obviously a hybrid has a hybrid engine or it wouldn't be a hybrid. It can't kick the saved braking energy into a gas engine, hence the need for the second engine. As I understand it, a hybrid also saves because they are often designed to shut off the gas engine when coasting, slowing,

Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-12 Thread Josh Luthman
I think I'll stick with my American gas guzzlers. Is it still true that hybrids cost so much upfront you won't save money on gas? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.

Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-12 Thread Randy Cosby
One other thing to consider: The gas engine in hybrids are often tuned down so they are just about gutless, but very lean on gas. On hot 115+ days here, the electric on my old Prius will shut off to keep the batteries from having problems. It's sometimes scary trying to pull out into an

Re: [WISPA] broadband underserved data

2009-02-12 Thread Matt Liotta
That data is pretty poor. Worse, the data that looks useful is only available as a PDF instead of of usable data format for processing. -Matt On Feb 12, 2009, at 5:38 PM, Rick Harnish wrote: Matt, You may find what you are looking for in some of the reports on this page.

Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-12 Thread D. Ryan Spott
I have a friend in Fairbanks, AK.. He bikes everywhere (@-40!)... He laughs at prius drivers because they all have the heat on all the time! How do you get heat? You run the engine.. Constantly! heh! ryan Randy Cosby wrote: One other thing to consider: The gas engine in hybrids are often

Re: [WISPA] broadband underserved data

2009-02-12 Thread Tom DeReggi
Well, The definition has to be approved first. I'm not certain we've seen the final conference bill draft yet. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta mlio...@r337.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] broadband underserved data

2009-02-12 Thread Tom DeReggi
Matt, Current;ly the definition the senate was looking at defined underserved as financially disabled. Financial info should likely be available online via government census sites, because its not just something specific to broadband. As far as unserved, thats their point of a mapping effort.

Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-12 Thread Chuck Bartosch
Until gas is about $4/gallon, yes. But, it depends if there's a subsidy on the car still, and which model you're getting. It's nearly impossible (for example) to recover the cost difference on a Toyota Highlander iirc. But the Highlander _does_ get better acceleration ;-). Chuck On Feb 12,

Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions

2009-02-12 Thread Scottie Arnett
For once I have to agree with Muddy here, they have no clue on what they are deciding on! I am NOT against the whole gov't intervention thing, but these people in the house and senate are completely lost! ALL they now is what the Lobbiest are telling them and the Lobbiest are for the telco and

Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions

2009-02-12 Thread Jack Unger
correction (?) inline Scottie Arnett wrote: For once I have to agree with Muddy here, they have no clue on what they are deciding on! I am NOT against the whole gov't intervention thing, but these people in the house and senate are completely lost! ALL they now is what the Lobbiest are

Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner

2009-02-12 Thread Scottie Arnett
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