Re: [WISPA] Thanking Marlon and multipath experience

2009-05-22 Thread Patrick Shoemaker
Not trying to be pedantic here, but I think some clarification is needed regarding reflection, refraction, and diffraction. Reflection is the phenomenon that occurs when an EM wave encounters a surface (larger than approximately one wavelength), hits it, and leaves the surface with reduced

Re: [WISPA] Thanking Marlon and multipath experience

2009-05-22 Thread Patrick Leary
Nice explanation that takes me way back to my fiber optics days. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Shoemaker Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 5:16 AM To: WISPA

Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability

2009-05-22 Thread Charles Wu
I've never found a lender willing to lend against using the in-place used equipment as colladeral. It is the biggest double standard. I find it highly ironic that they'll use a car for colladeral that looses 50% of its value the day it leaves the lot, and has a rate of failure and risk of

Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability

2009-05-22 Thread jp
In a worse case scenario, a car is probably considerably easier to repo than the antenna on my roof and radio in my attic. And the car would be worth a magnitude more money. The installed infrastructure is worthless if it costs a huge amount to get to it. On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 07:27:09PM

Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability

2009-05-22 Thread jp
On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 10:49:01AM -0500, Charles Wu wrote: With all the hype being generated by the stimulus bill, we have been approached by a multitude of third party financial organizations that have a renewed interest in potentially financing rural broadband...now, specifically, for

Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability

2009-05-22 Thread eje
Just as a side note here. For our new building we just moved into about 6mo ago we had to put up our inventory as collateral plus a bunch of other things. Even brand new unused equipment they would only give 10c on the dollar for our inventory based on our cost. Tried to explain until I was

[WISPA] Water tower question

2009-05-22 Thread Jason Hensley
We've gotten access to two water towers that are what I call bubble towers. An example is here: http://www.watertowers.com/photos_314_Arboretum_Water_Tower.html Obviously we'll have to sector around it, etc etc, not worried about that. Question is, for anyone who has mounted on a tower like

Re: [WISPA] Water tower question

2009-05-22 Thread Nick Olsen
Bring it down along the ladder? Just drop it all the way down then as you descend secure it? Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless From: Jason Hensley jhens...@mozarks.com Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 12:14 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject:

Re: [WISPA] Water tower question

2009-05-22 Thread Scott Carullo
run power and fiber up the side of the ladder or conduit that their power goes for the light on top. If you don't need connection below then just run power. Put box at top with equipment and 5 foot aluminum 1.5 or 2 inch pipes with two u-bolts each or pipe clamps depending on how you have to

Re: [WISPA] Water tower question

2009-05-22 Thread Scott Carullo
Ok, assuming there is no ladder (which would be odd) then they still have conduit already attached for lights at top. Run next to it. Only other option depending on your relationship with them is to put flasher circuit on top and use existing power already in conduit - that way your gear

Re: [WISPA] Water tower question

2009-05-22 Thread Mac Dearman
I forgot to add something VERY important - - The less you have touching anything of theirs the better off you will be in the future when it comes time for them to sandblast and paint!! Put your sectors standing off the handrails as far as possible using DB clamps and run your own conduit to

Re: [WISPA] Water tower question

2009-05-22 Thread Jason Hensley
On important thing I failed to mention, no ladder access from the outside of the tower. Ladder runs up the inside of the middle of the tower, all the way to the top and outside the top hatch, then down a ladder to the catwalk. If there was a ladder on one of the outside legs I wouldn't be asking

[WISPA] Wireless Beehive 58DP

2009-05-22 Thread Jayson Baker
Anyone used the 58DP from WB? Anyone have them in stock? Jayson WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA

Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability

2009-05-22 Thread jp
Just for round representative numbers, lets say you have have a pretty established customer base and you have the staff and the growth potential to install $10k/month worth of new CPE. I would buy $10k/month worth of CPE to get what I need when I need it. When I have more customers, I can spend

Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability

2009-05-22 Thread Tom DeReggi
I liked Agility's initial concept. For the buyer to present a BASIC spreadsheet type business plan, showing how they will without a doubt be able to generate enough revenue to pay the lease. All banks should do that, to understand what it is they are lending for. But for everything that

Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability

2009-05-22 Thread Charles Wu
Lease, lease, lease. Agreed that leasing is a great option, but in looking at my numbers these past few months, I've noticed that the amount of leasing that we do is a fraction of what we used to do 12 months ago (if it wasn't for the Motorola 3% program, I don't think we'd be doing any

Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability

2009-05-22 Thread Gino Villarini
Option 3 Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 4:50 PM To: WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability

2009-05-22 Thread Travis Johnson
We are still leasing, but also #3 applies as well... but we are putting the cash flow money into other things... like real estate, that is dirt cheap right now... ;) Travis Microserv Charles Wu wrote: Lease, lease, lease. Agreed that leasing is a great option, but in

Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability

2009-05-22 Thread Tom DeReggi
The big difference is that a car loan is tied to your personal credit, just like a credit card, So are most business loans, when they are made to a small business. I've yet to find a traditional lender willing to consider my business on its own. We just aren't large (signficant) enough, in

Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability

2009-05-22 Thread George Rogato
Travis Johnson wrote: but we are putting the cash flow money into other things... like real estate, that is dirt cheap right now... ;) Thats what we did in Novemeber. Got a 500k property for about 325k . And got the owner to carry 90% @ 6% on an 8 year term. Not much interest to pay, just a

Re: [WISPA] Water tower question

2009-05-22 Thread Scott Carullo
Got SCUBA lol? Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Jason Hensley jhens...@mozarks.com Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 12:57 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Water tower question On important thing I failed

Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability

2009-05-22 Thread Tom DeReggi
Maybe when talking about CPE. But what about when one is talking about a $10,000 Part101 radio? Just like a car, all that the lender should need is to hold the title of the radio until paid off, and get a down payment of $2000 to cover the cost of tower climber/repo man, and a signed letter of

Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability

2009-05-22 Thread Travis Johnson
The banks can sell a car with little effort. They already have relationships with dealers and auctions. And often, if the consumer's credit is questionable, the dealer will guarantee to take the car back if the loan defaults. Who is going to buy a $10,000 radio that has been repo'd? Even for

Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability

2009-05-22 Thread Charles Wu
Well Gino, it looks you're buying ski tickets next time =) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 3:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding /