Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?

2009-05-27 Thread Charles Wu
My iphone has a SIP client that can do this -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 5:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi? Is there a cell phone that can

Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?

2009-05-27 Thread Ron Harden
Paragon Wireless makes a great dual-mode phone that works flawlessly GSM/Wi-Fi VoIP (my boss has been using one for over a year). About $400 retail, and $250 bulk. We considered introducing the phone, but chose not to. It's a more complex sale and marketing challenge, coupled with additional

Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?

2009-05-27 Thread Mike Hammett
Didn't you see my post? That should work independent of what the carrier does. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:01 PM To:

Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?

2009-05-27 Thread Aaron D. Osgood
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Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Allocations?

2009-05-27 Thread RickG
Sure it matters! I run a private company. We have enough laws, rules, and regualtions to abide by as it is. It's enough to make you dizzy. To open up your books to politicians and the likes with nothing better to do than pick on capitalist is a disaster in the making. I know plenty of farmers that

Re: [WISPA] TVSS

2009-05-27 Thread jp
I have a Cutler Hammer cvl 50 at my datacenter. http://www.eaton.com/EatonCom/Markets/Electrical/Products/PowerQualityManagement/TransientVoltageSurgeSuppression/LightCommercialSurgeProtectionCVL/index.htm No idea what's at home. Just two little breaker looking things in the panel that have an

Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Allocations?

2009-05-27 Thread RickG
Audit = excitment, fun, adventure! On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 12:19 AM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Yes, for the portion of your business that relates to the Grant proceeds. Some disclosure of financial statements would likely be required do to proving your need that you

Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?

2009-05-27 Thread Pat O'Connor
Interesting article in regards to your topic. http://www.voipplanet.com/trends/article.php/3820346 I'm out here in the sticks with limited cell coverage in a lot of areas and this looks like a promising line of business. George Rogato wrote: Is there a cell phone that can connect to

[WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-05-27 Thread Michael Baird
We are getting ready to order ethernet cabling, and looking at some different options for the towers and client installs. I was wondering what people here liked to use. Particularily I'm interested in what you look for in shielding/water protection, should I get a flooded cable, if so with

Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-05-27 Thread Jayson Baker
All our APs are shielded, flooded. No conduit. All customers are shielded. Everything is, of course, outdoor-rated UV-resistent. Really cuts down on lightning damage, we've found. One of our local competitors uses indoor cable - we do a lot of conversions and find that the cable is in pieces

Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-05-27 Thread Scott Reed
Gel filled on towers is a mess. The gel runs down the cable and oozes out all over the inside of the connector, etc. at the bottom of the tower. Michael Baird wrote: We are getting ready to order ethernet cabling, and looking at some different options for the towers and client installs. I

[WISPA] Cell phone with wifi alternative

2009-05-27 Thread Ron Harden
This will be a much better option than cell phone and wi-fi, in my opinion. The stated launch date is 7.01.09. It will include unlimited voice and data for $70, including all taxes. No hot spots required. www.zer01mobile.com. International dialing will be at greatly reduced prices (for a cell

[WISPA] clues for vendors

2009-05-27 Thread Randy Cosby
Names have been changed to protect the ignorant. I want to vent for a minute on a marketing practice with some wireless equipment vendors that really just doesn't work for me, or maybe I just don't get it. I get emails all the time inviting me to be a SuperAirPlusExtremeMax Partner from one

Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-05-27 Thread 3-dB Networks
I'm becoming a fan of this stuff: http://www.superioressex.com/uploadedFiles/Communications_Cable/osp_broadban d_cat5e.pdf Specifically the BBDGE cable. It's about $400 per 1000ft spool though... Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-05-27 Thread Josh Luthman
The white gel I see is way too thick to run down at all. For APs I have always used the Mohawk cable with a really thick jacket and aluminum shielding. I just ordered what 3db recommended per the Moto400 recommendation. Looks the same, copper shielding, cheaper. For customers I use outdoor

Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?

2009-05-27 Thread Charles
It does exist. On t-mobile. Att offers inferior service. Call them and ask for the same features as t-mobile. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 21:01:19 To: e...@wisp-router.com; WISPA General

Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-05-27 Thread Josh Luthman
That's the stuff I ordered and will use soon. On 5/27/09, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote: I'm becoming a fan of this stuff: http://www.superioressex.com/uploadedFiles/Communications_Cable/osp_broadban d_cat5e.pdf Specifically the BBDGE cable. It's about $400 per 1000ft spool though...

Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?

2009-05-27 Thread Ryan Ghering
Most of the HTC mobile line does this. I have a 8125 and a 8525 that work very well.. Ryan On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 4:12 PM, George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net wrote: Is there a cell phone that can connect to someones wifi ap and still make phone calls or recieve data when not in range of the

Re: [WISPA] clues for vendors

2009-05-27 Thread John Bates
You are definitely not alone. Sometimes it makes sense to partner with a vendor, whether it's preferred pricing, bulk financing, or even branding opportunities that they offer. I get the same calls and emails from vendors and am left wondering what kind of strategy they are applying in their sales

Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-05-27 Thread Jayson Baker
Wouldn't it be worse if water ran down the cable? On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.netwrote: Gel filled on towers is a mess. The gel runs down the cable and oozes out all over the inside of the connector, etc. at the bottom of the tower. Michael Baird

Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-05-27 Thread Josh Luthman
I've heard of people being afraid water would get inside the cable and that is the purpose of the gel. Can't say I've ever seen water in the line, but I know I have never looked! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have

Re: [WISPA] Work order template

2009-05-27 Thread Josh Luthman
What I'm starting to do is have a sheet of all the materials we charge for, one material per row.  Each column is a customer. customer1customer2 switch1 0 wrtr0 1 14'cat5 2 0 Like that /\ Josh Luthman Office:

Re: [WISPA] Work order template

2009-05-27 Thread Martha Huizenga
Ok so mine is really simple and doesn't have check off boxes, but here it is. We call it our site survey form. We use it to make notes from the customer when they call and for the site survey and then the install. I create the invoice from this as well. Martha Martha Huizenga DC Access,

Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-05-27 Thread Jayson Baker
Properly installed, I don't think it'd ever be a concern. But I've seen plenty of towers where two-way guys, or TV guys or insert other non-WISP people who may be climbing or attaching things to a tower will not care much about your Cat5. Think of them hoisting a new folded dipole antenna up,

[WISPA] FW: FCC Rural Broadband report

2009-05-27 Thread Ron Harden
FYI...Ron -Original Message- From: Karen Reidy [mailto:kre...@comptel.org] Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:36 PM To: Karen Reidy Subject: FCC Rural Broadband report Dear Members: Below is the link to the FCC's Rural Broadband Strategy Report that was released today.

[WISPA] Waskom Texas

2009-05-27 Thread chris cooper
Anybody have service there? Please hit me offlist. Thanks Chris WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA

[WISPA] tower fix possible?

2009-05-27 Thread Randy Cosby
http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItemg2_itemId=1420 http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItemg2_itemId=1418 These pictures are from a small 40' Rohn tower that we are leasing space on. Apparently one of the legs has some sort of stress fracture

Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible?

2009-05-27 Thread Blake Bowers
Looks like freeze damage to me. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:30 PM Subject: [WISPA]

Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible?

2009-05-27 Thread lakeland
Randy That's water freezing inside the leg and splitting the leg. I bet the drain holes in the bottom are plugged and not letting water drain I would avoid this tower. I surely wouldn't climb it. And I will call you tomorrow reference your e-mail Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible?

2009-05-27 Thread Scott Reed
Definitely from freezing as it comes from the inside out. If it were mine, I would figure out a way to get it down with the gear on it and put up a new one. At 40' there are lots of sign and rigging companies with a crane that could pick it up off the base and lower it so you can get the gear

Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible?

2009-05-27 Thread reader
Ya'll never did any plumbing, huh :) Water inside froze and split it open. The only way I'd stand 3 rungs up on that tower, is if I had a crane holding me up :) insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com

Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible?

2009-05-27 Thread Randy Cosby
Wonder if we could lift it, pull that section off (it's near the bottom) and put a new section in. Hm... Need to go onsite. Randy rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Ya'll never did any plumbing, huh :) Water inside froze and split it open. The only way I'd stand 3 rungs up on that tower,

Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible?

2009-05-27 Thread Cameron Kilton
We've seen something like this. Engineer recommended taking the same size pipe. Have it cut in half to form a half-moon. Then use U-clamps and clamp around the stress crack. Being only 40' feet, probably don't have much to worry about. -Cameron -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-05-27 Thread Gary Garrett
Don't forget, on a snowy mountain top the change in temp from day to night can cause condensation inside the jacket that pools at the low spot over time. I've heard of people being afraid water would get inside the cable and that is the purpose of the gel. Can't say I've ever seen water

[WISPA] (topic change) sort of tower failure...

2009-05-27 Thread reader
Ok, so, two weeks ago, after having stood for 4.5 years, through 2, and I mean TWO century wind storms, my generator tower failed on a very normal normal windy spring day. We took it the rest of the way down, cut it apart, looking for the cause of failure. And found none. No rust, no

Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible?

2009-05-27 Thread Gary Garrett
That is caused by condensation or rain coming in the top of the leg. Basically there is no drain at the bottom of the leg and the water is repeatedly freezing at the snow line. Randy Cosby wrote: http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItemg2_itemId=1420

Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible?

2009-05-27 Thread Gary Garrett
If you don't have a drain out the bottom it will keep doing it. Randy Cosby wrote: Wonder if we could lift it, pull that section off (it's near the bottom) and put a new section in. Hm... Need to go onsite.

Re: [WISPA] FW: FCC Rural Broadband report

2009-05-27 Thread reader
I took a little time to scan the report, and have a couple of observations... 1. The FCC is expending great efforts at marginally effective ideas. 2. A lot of attention was paid to middle mile and rural deployments, but missed the largest single issue, at least as it applies out west - that

Re: [WISPA] clues for vendors

2009-05-27 Thread George Rogato
Yeppers, it is truly an indication of the vendors lack of respect for our intelligence that makes a vendor assume we are clueless enough to buy their un priced pitch. John Bates wrote: You are definitely not alone. Sometimes it makes sense to partner with a vendor, whether it's preferred

Re: [WISPA] (topic change) sort of tower failure...

2009-05-27 Thread Patrick Shoemaker
Was the generator shaft seized? Variable pitch blades locked at the shallowest position? Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Ok, so, two weeks ago, after having

Re: [WISPA] Wireless visualization

2009-05-27 Thread Charles Wyble
LOL. I can imagine :) I have actually seen it used in several NOCs at large data centers and so forth. I run it in my NOC, along with various other visualization tools (kismet/wireshark etc). Rogelio wrote: I see Etherape running more often in coffee shops than I do in NOCs. :) On

Re: [WISPA] Wireless visualization

2009-05-27 Thread Charles Wyble
LOL. I can imagine :) I have actually seen it used in several NOCs at large data centers and so forth. I run it in my NOC, along with various other visualization tools (kismet/wireshark etc). Rogelio wrote: I see Etherape running more often in coffee shops than I do in NOCs. :) On

Re: [WISPA] Starting a wisp - required capital

2009-05-27 Thread Charles Wyble
RickG wrote: Charles, I'll check my archives for the spreadsheet (I think Charles Wu has it online someplace) Thanks. I appreciate that. but I believe the financing is only a small portion of the issue. Indeed. Gear is only a small part of the network. I was thinking 100k for

Re: [WISPA] clues for vendors

2009-05-27 Thread reader
HHFFF... You mean this magic secret society decoder ring is worthless? I dunno if I've been wiser or dumber, but anyone who requires me to give them every detail about me before they'll tell me about their product has NEVER had the chance to sell it to me. I get some of the same stuff you

Re: [WISPA] (topic change) sort of tower failure...

2009-05-27 Thread reader
No, nothing like that. The generator had purely electrical failure, and was stuck in the brake mode, where the shaft only spins at perhaps 15 rpm, no matter the wind. I'd like to think I'm thorough, and yet I have found no reason for the tower failure.We're putting it back up about 60%

Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?

2009-05-27 Thread Charles Wyble
T-mobile cell phones work over wifi. 1 number. I use it all the time. George Rogato wrote: Josh Luthman wrote: If you have Asterisk you just opened up nearly any Wifi phone to your system. SIP is so universal... Yeah, I have not been keeping up with cell phones. My own is 5years

Re: [WISPA] (topic change) sort of tower failure...

2009-05-27 Thread Patrick Shoemaker
Ah. Was the generator shaft spinning freely during the last two windstorms? A stalled (or nearly stalled ~ 15 RPM) rotor will present a much higher wind load to the tower than a freewheeling one will... Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301)

Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?

2009-05-27 Thread Charles Wyble
Blackberry Curve and Pearl on t-mobile. Works like a champ. Use it all the time, along with heavy torrenting and other use. George Rogato wrote: Is there a cell phone that can connect to someones wifi ap and still make phone calls or recieve data when not in range of the cell service?

Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?

2009-05-27 Thread Charles Wyble
http://www.villagetelco.org/ Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: I bought my E71 unlocked and it is an awesome phone. It even went through a complete washer/dryer cycle with my laundry and came out just fine (after it dried out for a few hours). I have mine setup with my office Asterisk server

Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?

2009-05-27 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
Nokia SIP is built-in in most of their phones and easy to configure as an Asterisk SIP extension...any smartphone version I've had for several years, at least. (Granted...the e61 and e61i demanded stronger signal strength requirements for Wi-Fi but newer versions are quite hot). . . . J o n a t h

Re: [WISPA] (topic change) sort of tower failure...

2009-05-27 Thread reader
But the generator is and always has been stalled during wind storms. Nothing's changed, in that regard. This is why we're mystified. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Patrick Shoemaker shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com To: WISPA

Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-05-27 Thread Tom DeReggi
Quick note on Gel fil I had a link fed by outdoor direct burial Ethernet, and the cable came 8 feet down from the radio, went horizontally 50 feet, dropped 5 feet to inside penhouse roof, went horizontally100ft with several turns, then dropped 8 feet to wall cabnet. A mistake was made

Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-05-27 Thread Tom DeReggi
absolutely not. A drip loop is used to prevent water runing down the outside of the cable from running upward into your wall penetration. Because water is outside of cable, it can drain down when it reaches the bottom edge of drip loop. When water is inside cable, it does not have the same

Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-05-27 Thread Tom DeReggi
Michael, I see my last post was redundant to some comments others already made. But to answer your question... We use Superior Essex for critical infrastrucure. We use Shireen cable (allrfcables.com) for all other. Its depended whether you need a .45 dia cable or .18 cable, based on the hole

Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-05-27 Thread eje
Actually I think you had some gel leak out of the cable and not water. Seen it numerous times especially after a warm summer when the gel gets liquefied one place have 180ft vertical 5 ft horizontal and about 15ft rolled up on a 1.5ft diameter and bottom feeding a cabinet. At the bottom under

Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-05-27 Thread David
Yuck. I have never seen this with the Mohawk Gel filled cable we use. David -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of e...@wisp-router.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA]

Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-05-27 Thread George Rogato
My experience living in the rainy pacific northwest is, regular old blue or grey cat 5 cable has lasted all the 10 years I've been doing this. I use it on all my houses and buildings. White cat 5 does not work outdoors and deteriorates quickly. Should be no surprise. Up a tower I use an a

Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible?

2009-05-27 Thread Blair Davis
Get a proff. welder out there. He should be able to fix it. Randy Cosby wrote: http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItemg2_itemId=1420 http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItemg2_itemId=1418 These pictures are from a small 40' Rohn tower that we are