[WISPA] Nominating Committee Members Announced

2009-06-09 Thread Jack Unger
The following four WISPA members have volunteered to serve on WISPA's Nominating Committee. Scott Reed Jerry Richardson Tim Harris (Tim also served during the last election) Paul McCall The WISPA Board appreciates the willingness of these four members to help their fellow WISPs and to assure

Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???

2009-06-09 Thread Kevin Lamothe
We've had other issues with the latest firmware, we mostly use Cisco APs, after a fw 4.0.2 radio associates, it will take anywhere from 2-10 minutes before the radio can pass any traffic, this issue wasn't present in 3.6.7. Their new management VLAN tagging feature only works with Tranzeo APs,

Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???

2009-06-09 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
H, I've not upgraded many of the CPQ's to 4.0.2. I've not noticed what you're talking about. I tend to only update firmware when something's not working though, so I may not have noticed for a while. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com To:

Re: [WISPA] Electronic Signatures

2009-06-09 Thread Mike Hammett
I think I learned in high school business law class that payment of a bill constitutes agreement with a contract. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, June

[WISPA] Indoor fdx link antennas

2009-06-09 Thread Josh Luthman
I would like to use MikroTik to create a fdx link that's going across a stadium (that's a bit more then 100 yards). I'm thinking about looking for some small dual pol antennas best case or the ARC ones worst case (as they're monstrous). I'll probably end up using the Compex wlm54ag at 5ghz cards

Re: [WISPA] Indoor fdx link antennas

2009-06-09 Thread Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net
Yep.. Dual r52N cards in a Dual-Pol Arc Enclosure. We can build, test and even put a base configuration on it for you if you wish. Just plug them in and aim them at each other :) * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified

Re: [WISPA] Indoor fdx link antennas

2009-06-09 Thread Josh Luthman
I was hoping there was a better dual pol antenna then the ARC ones, actually =/ They're a good 2 feet tall IIRC. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must

Re: [WISPA] Indoor fdx link antennas

2009-06-09 Thread lakeland
You won't find dual pol smaller than 2' If you do I would like to see it -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 11:42:21 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Indoor fdx

Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???

2009-06-09 Thread Steve Smith
Dropping you an off-list response with much more detail. But also posting here to report that we are seeing a very similar problem. We are seeing the Tranzeo units fail to sustain downloads after two to five minutes when they are in router mode performing NAT. Tranzeo is blaming Mikrotik.

Re: [WISPA] Electronic Signatures

2009-06-09 Thread RickG
For how long? 1 year or for life? On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I think I learned in high school business law class that payment of a bill constitutes agreement with a contract. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions

Re: [WISPA] Indoor fdx link antennas

2009-06-09 Thread Butch Evans
On Tue, 2009-06-09 at 11:42 -0400, Josh Luthman wrote: I would like to use MikroTik to create a fdx link that's going across a stadium (that's a bit more then 100 yards). I'm thinking about looking for some small dual pol antennas best case or the ARC ones worst case (as they're monstrous).

Re: [WISPA] Electronic Signatures

2009-06-09 Thread Josh Luthman
Our contract has the number of months and the start date at the top. I would imagine as long as you're paying, you're in contract and must abide by the terms and conditions. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated

Re: [WISPA] Indoor fdx link antennas

2009-06-09 Thread Josh Luthman
Can you show me an example of range extender antennas? Top of the stadium on both sides, we'll be fine =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the

Re: [WISPA] Indoor fdx link antennas

2009-06-09 Thread can...@believewireless.net
MTI has a dual-pol 23dBi panel as well. On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Butch Evansbut...@butchevans.com wrote: On Tue, 2009-06-09 at 11:42 -0400, Josh Luthman wrote: I would like to use MikroTik to create a fdx link that's going across a stadium (that's a bit more then 100 yards).  I'm

Re: [WISPA] Electronic Signatures

2009-06-09 Thread RickG
Thats fine in paper form. How about electronic? (i.e website signup). -RickG On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Our contract has the number of months and the start date at the top. I would imagine as long as you're paying, you're in contract and

Re: [WISPA] Electronic Signatures

2009-06-09 Thread Josh Luthman
Anything that states by signing up here you have to agree to this 24 month contract or whatever. Kind of like those sites that say click agree if you're 18 or older - that keeps them from legal trouble. On 6/9/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Thats fine in paper form. How about electronic?

Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???

2009-06-09 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Tranzeo informed me yesterday that they will not support Mikrotik related problems. HA! This is funny because back in the Tranzeo/MT disconnect days of last summer wasn't the problem traced to Tranzeo firmware not following 802.11 spec? And tranzeo still wouldn't fix it so Mikrotik jumped in and

Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???

2009-06-09 Thread Josh Luthman
Wasn't Tranzeo that diagnosed the disconnect problem? On 6/9/09, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Marlon, I would stongly advise against doing any firmware upgrades to 4.0.2 for the sake of your customers. We almost lost ours last year with the Tranzeo re-asocciation issues last

Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???

2009-06-09 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Well I thought that it happened this way, I may be wrong, - Tranzeo didn't want to look at the problem and somebody on the list did some packet sniffing and the Tranzeo's were randomly sending a bunch of 0o0o0o0o0's and the Mikrotik didn't know how to interpret that so it dropped all the clients

Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???

2009-06-09 Thread D. Ryan Spott
http://www.tranzeofaq.com/oct102008.html ryan Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Well I thought that it happened this way, I may be wrong, - Tranzeo didn't want to look at the problem and somebody on the list did some packet sniffing and the Tranzeo's were randomly sending a bunch of 0o0o0o0o0's and

Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???

2009-06-09 Thread D. Ryan Spott
Kevin Lamothe wrote: We've had other issues with the latest firmware, we mostly use Cisco APs, after a fw 4.0.2 radio associates, it will take anywhere from 2-10 minutes before the radio can pass any traffic, this issue wasn't present in 3.6.7. Their new management VLAN tagging feature

Re: [WISPA] Need BGP Support ASAP

2009-06-09 Thread can...@believewireless.net
Did you notify your upstream that you be advertising your customers routes? On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Jeff Broadwickjeffl...@comcast.net wrote: I recommend Tony Mattke for dynamic routing work. t...@mattke.net Regards, Jeff -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???

2009-06-09 Thread Rick Kunze
I've got about 50 or 60 CPQ's and SL2's out there, as well as a dozen or so 6000's, some for up to 4 or 5 years. I've never had a single problem with any of them failing to pass traffic as mentioned in the thread. I just upgraded one small town to 4.0.2, a couple 6000's and a couple dozen

Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???

2009-06-09 Thread D. Ryan Spott
Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Tranzeo informed me yesterday that they will not support Mikrotik related problems. Dude, I have this network problem, on my network, and because you are on this list, I want you to fix it for me... at your cost. OH! and it requires replacing a tower, please pay for

Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???

2009-06-09 Thread D. Ryan Spott
Why you would route AT the AP boggles my mind... Routing Before the AP is the way to go. Why add additional load on an AP when it should be working on sending and receiving wireless data. ryan Rick Kunze wrote: I've got about 50 or 60 CPQ's and SL2's out there, as well as a dozen or so

Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???

2009-06-09 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
What are you using for an AP? Tranzeo or Mikrotik? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Kunze Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 2:36 PM

Re: [WISPA] Need BGP Support ASAP

2009-06-09 Thread Gino Villarini
yeah Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 2:36 PM To:

Re: [WISPA] Electronic Signatures

2009-06-09 Thread Mike Hammett
Whatever the contract states. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 11:15 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA]

Re: [WISPA] Need BGP Support ASAP

2009-06-09 Thread Matt Liotta
On Jun 9, 2009, at 3:02 PM, David wrote: You prepend the link you want to disfavor. The more you prepend the longer a route will look. Assuming your upstream didn't increase your local preference, which is normally the case these days. AS prepending is no longer the ideal methodology

Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???

2009-06-09 Thread Mike Hammett
I route at every device. ;-) Well, at least at every location. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 1:38 PM To: rku...@colusanet.com;

Re: [WISPA] Need BGP Support ASAP

2009-06-09 Thread David
You prepend the link you want to disfavor. The more you prepend the longer a route will look. David -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 12:57 PM To: WISPA General List;

Re: [WISPA] Need BGP Support ASAP

2009-06-09 Thread Matt Liotta
If you provide the prefixes in question it would be easier. You may want to have your customer check with their other upstreams to see what communities they support. BGP communities that adjust local preference are preferred over prepending. See http://www.onesc.net/communities/ for a

Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???

2009-06-09 Thread D. Ryan Spott
Right! At every location is GREAT! but if you have 3 APs at the top of a tower, you don't route on each AP, you route at the bottom of the tower right? ryan Mike Hammett wrote: I route at every device. ;-) Well, at least at every location. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing

Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???

2009-06-09 Thread Steve Smith
In our case we are using staros APs. We like to have the CPE set to router mode so we don't have to deal with any of the client equipment on their side of our unit at their place. That way we don't care if they change out a piece of equipment. We are having no problem with any Tranzeo

Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???

2009-06-09 Thread D. Ryan Spott
Do you have any ethreal data you can share? ryan Steve Smith wrote: In our case we are using staros APs. We like to have the CPE set to router mode so we don't have to deal with any of the client equipment on their side of our unit at their place. That way we don't care if they change

Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???

2009-06-09 Thread Steve Smith
I do. I will drop it to you offlist. D. Ryan Spott wrote: Do you have any ethreal data you can share? ryan Steve Smith wrote: In our case we are using staros APs. We like to have the CPE set to router mode so we don't have to deal with any of the client equipment on their

[WISPA] Multiuse Cat5

2009-06-09 Thread Jerry Richardson
FYI: Found a cable that is indoor/ourdoor/uv/db rated. CM 1202L5DB - http://www.contractorswire.com/CatalogProducts.asp?nProductsID=134 Has a dual jacket that has a powder gel barrier which seals against moisture. Outer jacket is UV/DB, inner jacket is CL. Only comes in black. I think we

[WISPA] Cisco: IP traffic to hit 667 exabytes by 2013

2009-06-09 Thread Scottie Arnett
http://telephonyonline.com/global/news/cisco-ip-traffic-0609/ These wireless MfG's better be getting us something that will work for this. Scottie Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information.