Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation

2009-06-18 Thread RickG
On that note. Can lightning protectors go partially bad or are they like a fuse and either work or not? -RickG On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:50 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Even so, the performance should be the same both ways, not tx vs. rx. I still think he needs to look

Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation

2009-06-18 Thread Michael Baird
At the base, I see no signals except from my radios, with the spectrum analyzer. I've still not been able to get the guy to climb the tower, in other forum's I've found people with horizontal antennas, having a problem on RX at the AP only with too much downtilt. Near the tower there are a few

Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation

2009-06-18 Thread Josh Luthman
I know cat5 surge supressors go partially bad. On 6/18/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: On that note. Can lightning protectors go partially bad or are they like a fuse and either work or not? -RickG On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:50 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Even

Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation

2009-06-18 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
You can't check with a spectrum anylyzer at the base! You have to climp the tower and plug each antenna in to the spectrum anyalyzer. Also there is no black magic involved. Wireless can all be explained with laws of physics. There are too many wireless providers out there that just plug and

Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation

2009-06-18 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I don't know. I'd guess that it could to either way. I've certainly seen bad connectors effect rx more than tx. My GUESS is that it was related to the amount of corrosion that can be overcome by 1 watt vs. .01 watts. I've seen that more than once. I took one lightning arrestor apart and it

Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation

2009-06-18 Thread Michael Baird
Kurt, We are testing some of this at a different tower, where one of the AP's has flaked out, and we can climb it. We didn't test all the radios/pigtails/coax or lightning arrestor before deploying, good idea though, will do so in the future, what kind of meter do we need to test these? Is

Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation

2009-06-18 Thread Michael Baird
Marlon, Yea, it's ok, we wouldn't have learned anything if it worked properly the first time. This tower is not in production, it's our first build out, we will learn. We aren't using gas-powered lightning arrestors, they are RFLinx quarter wave type arrestors. Regards Michael Baird I don't

[WISPA] 3.65GHz Exclusion Zone

2009-06-18 Thread 3-dB Networks
Okay I'm banging my head against the wall a bit this morning J Subpart Z of the FCC Part 90 Rules - Wireless Broadband Serices in the 3650-3700 MHz Band - Section 90.1331 states: (a)(1) Except as provided in paragraph (a)(2) of this section, base and fixed stations may not be located

[WISPA] WISP test equipment (was Re: Radio Seperation)

2009-06-18 Thread John Valenti
Kurt others, What sort of test equipment do you use to check radios and antenna SWR? My ham friend has a Bird Wattmeter, he was suggesting I get a slug that would cover 900MHz and another for 2.4. Would I get any useful information from a Wattmeter? thanks On Jun 21, 2009, at 10:33 AM,

[WISPA] Suggestions on Firewall

2009-06-18 Thread Patrick D.. Nix, Jr
Any suggestions on a good linux firewall distro. I'm looking at either implementing this or going with an older Cisco PIX 525. Which would be the best way to go? Something with a nice GUI would be good Thanks

Re: [WISPA] 3.65GHz Exclusion Zone

2009-06-18 Thread Pat O'Connor
It is being 150km form the grandfathered earth station. I'm going through the same thing right now getting an agreement from them to operate WiMax gear. BTW I'm at a 145km distance from them, but the FCC won't register my base stations without an agreement. 3-dB Networks wrote: Okay I'm

Re: [WISPA] Suggestions on Firewall

2009-06-18 Thread Alan Long
How may users behind it? How much throughput? Aerowire Alan Long Director of Network Operations alan.l...@aerowire.net 687 North Dean Road Auburn, AL 36830 tel: 3342759998 mobile: 336092 -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] Suggestions on Firewall

2009-06-18 Thread Gino Villarini
Mikrotik Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick D.. Nix, Jr Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 11:30 AM To:

Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation

2009-06-18 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
I have been using this meter, http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=PM%2D2458eq=Tp= It checks forward power, reflected power, and will give you the SWR reading. Its been a lifesaver. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original

Re: [WISPA] WISP test equipment (was Re: Radio Seperation)

2009-06-18 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
John, I have a bird wattmeter as well, while it works great on 2 way radio equipment that has a constant TX (holding down mic key) it would not work so well for WIFI because the radio would not be in a constant TX as it would be switching back and forth between TX and RX. You would be better

Re: [WISPA] Suggestions on Firewall

2009-06-18 Thread Josh Luthman
Maybe you could provide more detail as to your application. In most situations I agree with Gino, MikroTik. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the

Re: [WISPA] Suggestions on Firewall

2009-06-18 Thread Patrick D.. Nix, Jr
Basically just wanting to protect our servers 8 servers total (3 email 2 DNS 1 Web 2 offsite backup) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Alan Long Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 10:34 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation

2009-06-18 Thread David Hulsebus
I've had the quarter waves that take multiple strikes go partially out in the past. Gas tubes have just blown. Dave RickG wrote: On that note. Can lightning protectors go partially bad or are they like a fuse and either work or not? -RickG On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:50 AM, Marlon K.

Re: [WISPA] Suggestions on Firewall

2009-06-18 Thread Patrick D.. Nix, Jr
Yes, I use mikrotik for end user protection and routing but I'm not sure that will fit the bill here. I think I may need more of a corporate type solution. I've used Watchguard and cisco products in the past but I thought maybe I could save some $$ and go with a linux homebrew -Original

Re: [WISPA] 3.65GHz Exclusion Zone

2009-06-18 Thread 3-dB Networks
I wonder why all of those maps have it different... For instance: http://zing.naviciti.com/ Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Pat O'Connor Sent: Thursday, June 18,

Re: [WISPA] Suggestions on Firewall

2009-06-18 Thread Josh Luthman
Typically if you're protecting it versus someone who knows what they're doing it's the software that's open (pop/imap/smtp/web/etc) that becomes the vulnerability, not the network. If it were me, I would use MikroTik. If there is a break I can troubleshoot it 100x faster and easier with MT then

Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation

2009-06-18 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
That’s why I quit buying lightning arrestors with gas tubes in them. Too much worrying if the gas tube was blown or not, so I started buying polyphaser's and never looked back Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message-

Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation

2009-06-18 Thread Josh Luthman
What is exactly is the gas tube? What does Polyphaser do different? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On

Re: [WISPA] Suggestions on Firewall

2009-06-18 Thread Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net
Agreed. MT is a high quality product, and looks nice in a rack. * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services

[WISPA] Mesh Network

2009-06-18 Thread Jerry Richardson
I believe there is still a market for municipal public wifi. I am finding the barrier is the cost of the radios at $1k ea minimum for a true mesh type dual radio system. Anything lower is cost is not true Mesh. Yes, I could put something together using pieces and parts however that's a support

Re: [WISPA] Suggestions on Firewall

2009-06-18 Thread Larry A Weidig
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Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation

2009-06-18 Thread David Hulsebus
Same here, Polyphasers. No more gas tubes. I hate getting a call that I have to climb a water tank because a storm knocked out a gas cartridge. Kurt Fankhauser wrote: That’s why I quit buying lightning arrestors with gas tubes in them. Too much worrying if the gas tube was blown or not, so I

Re: [WISPA] 3.65GHz Exclusion Zone

2009-06-18 Thread Matt Liotta
150km radius -Matt On Jun 18, 2009, at 11:01 AM, 3-dB Networks wrote: Okay I'm banging my head against the wall a bit this morning J Subpart Z of the FCC Part 90 Rules - Wireless Broadband Serices in the 3650-3700 MHz Band - Section 90.1331 states: (a)(1) Except as provided in

Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation

2009-06-18 Thread Israel Lopez-LISTS
Whats your life expectancy on those polyphasers? Their website states they are good for multiple strikes, but just wondering about the durability. etc,. -Israel David Hulsebus wrote: Same here, Polyphasers. No more gas tubes. I hate getting a call that I have to climb a water tank because

Re: [WISPA] Suggestions on Firewall

2009-06-18 Thread Bret Clark
PFSense on a high end computer probably fit the bill...http://www.pfsense.com/ On Thu, 2009-06-18 at 10:45 -0500, Patrick D.. Nix, Jr wrote: Basically just wanting to protect our servers 8 servers total (3 email 2 DNS 1 Web 2 offsite backup) -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation

2009-06-18 Thread lakeland
We use them commercially. I think we have replace. 2 of them over the past 18+ years Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Israel Lopez-LISTS ilopezli...@sandboxitsolutions.com Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 09:23:20 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject:

Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Mesh Network

2009-06-18 Thread Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net
Can do everything on this, but the cost. Looks like around $515 in single unit pricing. Shoot me a call if you have questions. * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] Suggestions on Firewall

2009-06-18 Thread Patrick D.. Nix, Jr
Maybe trying another approach... has anyone successfully implemented a firewall using Imagestream rebel with powercode? I have written some iptables rule and placed them in the post config script I can see where it is applying them but doesn't seem to be blocking properly. -Original

Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Mesh Network

2009-06-18 Thread 3-dB Networks
Your missing management... and that is going to be a major player. Managing 100 nodes isn't something you want to do one by one. You're going to have to have a strong NMS server behind it. Also, what about self-healing the mesh? Heck, without a strong NMS platform how is the mesh created? I'm

Re: [WISPA] Suggestions on Firewall

2009-06-18 Thread Josh Luthman
For this application ImageStream seems like a waste of money and a LOT of effort, IMO. IS and MikroTik both use iptables so the difference is in the interface. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible,

Re: [WISPA] Suggestions on Firewall

2009-06-18 Thread Jeff Broadwick
We can help you with that Patrick. Jeff ImageStream -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick D.. Nix, Jr Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 12:51 PM To: bcl...@spectraaccess.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA]

Re: [WISPA] 3.65GHz Exclusion Zone

2009-06-18 Thread Charles Wyble
BTW the calculations in the RO appendix have errors. I have a corrected version provided to me by the FCC OET. If there is interest I can post it online and send the link. Matt Liotta wrote: 150km radius -Matt On Jun 18, 2009, at 11:01 AM, 3-dB Networks wrote: Okay I'm banging my head

Re: [WISPA] 3.65GHz Exclusion Zone

2009-06-18 Thread 3-dB Networks
Thanks for the help guys. Charles I would be interested in it... offlist or onlist is fine for me Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wyble Sent: Thursday,

Re: [WISPA] Mesh Network

2009-06-18 Thread Charles Wyble
Jerry Richardson wrote: I believe there is still a market for municipal public wifi. I am finding the barrier is the cost of the radios at $1k ea minimum for a true mesh type dual radio system. Anything lower is cost is not true Mesh. Yes, I could put something together using pieces and

[WISPA] Mesh - on the cheap

2009-06-18 Thread Charles Wyble
Thought I would share this with the list http://freifunk-texas.net/Building_a_Rural_Wireless_Mesh_Network_-_A_DIY_Guide_v0.7_65.pdf I'm planning to put a 5 node mesh together this weekend and see how well it works. Then I'll play with TDMA firmware from

Re: [WISPA] 3.65GHz Exclusion Zone

2009-06-18 Thread Matt Liotta
The appendix calculations are only an example. Earth stations are not required to follow them for determining interference. IMHO, keyhole calculations coupled with standard interference calculations a la part 101 PCN is a superior methodology. -Matt On Jun 18, 2009, at 1:28 PM, Charles

Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation

2009-06-18 Thread Michael Baird
We sent an installer out to repair a faulty AP. I told him to use the same pigtail/lightning arrestor/radio combo to the existing antenna. He forgot the pigtail, but the lightning arrestor and radio connection don't seem to be the problem at least. The antenna he attached to was a Tranzeo

Re: [WISPA] Mesh Network

2009-06-18 Thread Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net
What I quoted :) * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*:

Re: [WISPA] Suggestions on Firewall

2009-06-18 Thread Frank Crawford
http://www.vyatta.com/ Patrick D.. Nix, Jr wrote: Maybe trying another approach... has anyone successfully implemented a firewall using Imagestream rebel with powercode? I have written some iptables rule and placed them in the post config script I can see where it is applying them but

Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation

2009-06-18 Thread chris cooper
I concur with Kurt. That meter is invaluable. They also make a quad band meter that covers 900 Mhz as well. Chris Cooper Intelliwave -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 11:38

Re: [WISPA] Suggestions on Firewall

2009-06-18 Thread jree...@18-30chat.net
As much as I love Mikrotik they do not have Snort. It is a very valuable tool. That said, you can do like i do and run Snort on a dedicated ethernet port on one of your existing servers and mirror everything to it. That combined with MT's firewall abilities is great. I have been working on dynamic

Re: [WISPA] Suggestions on Firewall

2009-06-18 Thread Charles Wyble
Bah! That's just stupid. They really ought to include snort. How can you call yourself a network equipment vendor, if you sell a border product without an IDS? Linux is really quite great for these applications. IPTABLES, decent routing protocol implementations and an awesome IDS. I'm appalled

Re: [WISPA] Suggestions on Firewall

2009-06-18 Thread Jeff Broadwick
Hi Charles, It's not a simple add-on. We've added it as an option on ImageStream routers, but there have been a lot of headaches getting there. Regards, Jeff ImageStream -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wyble

Re: [WISPA] Suggestions on Firewall

2009-06-18 Thread Charles Wyble
Jeff, H. Interesting. I would love to know more about the challenges you faced adding it on. Though this is probably more of a software engineering/architecture discussion that may or may not be appropriate for the WISPA list. Ah who cares, I'm bored. :) Jeff Broadwick wrote: Hi

[WISPA] OT: Mars Antenna Disti?

2009-06-18 Thread Gino Villarini
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[WISPA] DTV Arrives but Transition Continues

2009-06-18 Thread Jack Unger
Anyone who even suspects that they might want to set up a TV White Space WAN someday should start following the news about digital television (DTV). You can probably benefit from some of the information contained in the following article. http://tinyurl.com/mqhcys jack -- Jack Unger -

Re: [WISPA] DTV Arrives but Transition Continues

2009-06-18 Thread Charles Wyble
WISPS unite. It's time to start sending packets over them airwaves! :) Why they don't abolish broadcast tv/radio and move to a pure IP based solution I don't know. It would stimulate the economy. IPTV could just as easy be IP radio. :) Jack Unger wrote: Anyone who even suspects that they

Re: [WISPA] Mesh Network

2009-06-18 Thread os10rules
How about ability to be a hotspot? On Jun 18, 2009, at 12:05 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: I believe there is still a market for municipal public wifi. I am finding the barrier is the cost of the radios at $1k ea minimum for a true mesh type dual radio system. Anything lower is cost is not true

Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation

2009-06-18 Thread David Hulsebus
I've had the same arrestors in place for multiple years. I have an employee that lives near one of our towers and says it gets hit almost every big storm, multiple times a year and they keep on ticking. I can tell when one needs to be replaced by the signal levels of my clients. We have lost

Re: [WISPA] Suggestions on Firewall

2009-06-18 Thread Butch Evans
On Thu, 2009-06-18 at 10:47 -0500, Patrick D.. Nix, Jr wrote: Yes, I use mikrotik for end user protection and routing but I'm not sure that will fit the bill here. I think I may need more of a corporate type solution. I've used Watchguard and cisco products in the past but I thought maybe I

Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Mesh Network

2009-06-18 Thread Butch Evans
On Thu, 2009-06-18 at 11:46 -0500, Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net wrote: Can do everything on this, but the cost. Looks like around $515 in single unit pricing. Shoot me a call if you have questions. And the following: - Automatic scan for best channel - Outdoor, ready to hang (not a

Re: [WISPA] DTV Arrives but Transition Continues

2009-06-18 Thread Scottie Arnett
Charles, You are evidently in a IP rich environment(based on your statement:and move to a pure IP based solution. We still do good here to get a nice unfettered stream of you-tube. Just saw today that LG is including all their TV's with Netflix built in! I am in one of those supposedly digital

Re: [WISPA] Suggestions on Firewall

2009-06-18 Thread Butch Evans
On Thu, 2009-06-18 at 11:50 -0500, Patrick D.. Nix, Jr wrote: Maybe trying another approach... has anyone successfully implemented a firewall using Imagestream rebel with powercode? I have written some iptables rule and placed them in the post config script I can see where it is applying them

Re: [WISPA] Suggestions on Firewall

2009-06-18 Thread Scott Carullo
I've used Imagestream firewall rules for many years without a hickup. Works great and doesn't seem to bog the router down. I have *lots* of rules and our router would still be able to handle 100+MB throughput without issue. And yes, Imagestream support get my kudos, by far the best support

Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Mesh Network

2009-06-18 Thread Scott Carullo
Butch, MT has some Mesh support built in now, I assume you have tested it and / or helped others who may have deployed, whats your feedback on functionality and stability? Ready for real world deployment? Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message

Re: [WISPA] DTV Arrives but Transition Continues

2009-06-18 Thread Charles Wyble
Scottie Arnett wrote: Charles, You are evidently in a IP rich environment(based on your statement:and move to a pure IP based solution. Well I use that in a somewhat generic fashion. I should have said internet technology based solution. The carriers are using IPTV to deliver TV now.

Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation

2009-06-18 Thread RickG
Ya, I've seen that too. I actually meant the coax units. -RickG On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: I know cat5 surge supressors go partially bad. On 6/18/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: On that note. Can lightning protectors go partially

Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Mesh Network

2009-06-18 Thread Butch Evans
On Thu, 2009-06-18 at 22:19 -0400, Scott Carullo wrote: Butch, MT has some Mesh support built in now, I assume you have tested it and / or helped others who may have deployed, whats your feedback on functionality and stability? Ready for real world deployment? I've tested it in numerous